Is getting married "instinctive"?

[Liberanosamalo]

I suppose in your world, rpp, a military wife widowed with young children should go begging?

I’m still powerless to see how women working caused my divorce. History hasn’t shown that women earning money caused the downfall of civilization.

There is a country eager for your point of view. Women aren’t allowed to work there, because it might destroy their civilization. (Unfortunately, no woman there can be seen or touched by a man not her husband either. That might defile her. So these women don’t have female doctors. And male doctors cannot treat them. Needless to say, this country has the highest maternal mortality rate in the world.)

I personally find Taliban mentalities incompatible with Christianity.

 

[rpp]

I suppose in your world, rpp, a military wife widowed with young children should go begging?

{snip}

I personally find Taliban mentalities incompatible with Christianity.

These personal insults render it impossible to have a conversation with you. I will not defend myself because it is clear that I never advocated either of these. This is just a hateful attack made against the nearest person.

 

[Sina]

The problems you cite are caused by the very behavior you are promoting. Looking at history, that is obvious.

I’m sorry but that is disgusting to hear. You think women being educated and working causes single motherhood and divorce?

I think the more that men and women can respect each other and see that we are equally important and powerful, the less prevalent divorce can be. Less violence against women, less adultery etc…

 

[rpp]

I’m sorry but that is disgusting to hear. You think women being educated and working causes single motherhood and divorce?

I think the more that men and women can respect each other and see that we are equally important and powerful, the less prevalent divorce can be. Less violence against women, less adultery etc…

Now what I have said is being seriously distorted.

It appears that several people on this thread do not understand charity and are not interested is honestly discussing the issue. Rather they promote their own misandrist agenda, even if they have to distort what other say.

There is no charity on this thread, only insults.

There is no discussion going on here. Just man bashing.

Well, you win your argument. Only because you have shouted down people who will not stoop to insulting others.

 

[Liberanosamalo]

Misandrist? No. Realist.

I’ll humor you, though:

The traditional nuclear family was damaged by WOMEN who invented birth control pills so they could use men as sex objects without any repurcussions.

The traditional nuclear family was damaged by WOMEN on the Supreme Court and in Congress and the White House who passed laws allowing the unmitigated slaughter of the unborn.

The traditional nuclear family was damaged by WOMEN who passed laws allowing for no-fault divorce so they could walk away from husbands with their purses intact.

My traditional nuclear family was damaged by a WOMAN who walked away. And my being a traditional wife and SAHM saved me from financial and legal victimization. I was happy for ten years of being a SAHM. And I now don’t work at all because my dignity as a woman supercedes my duty to feed and house my three children.

See? None of those statements are borne out by facts or history.

I love men. But not those who blame all society’s ills on the fact that women have jobs.

I’m not blaming 1/2 the population for my personal woes. I’m using my own circumstances to show you that your theory that some 1950s era tv show really is a fantasy world that doesn’t save the family. And women back then suffered when their husbands walked away. And women suffer now.

I’m just wondering why you are so threatened by an educated woman who wants to earn an income? Maybe we just shouldn’t be taught to read and write at all. Because if we aren’t going to get a job, why waste the pencil and the book?

Do any of you gentlemen advocating this have wives or daughters? Do they appreciate your views that they should aspire to nothing more than cleaning out the lint tray in the dryer and cooking your dinner for the next 50 years. Because you don’t seem to see them as intelligent beings who have talents or intellectual needs or a desire to be anything but dependent. What will they do if you die? Have you prepared them for that possibility?

 

[Sina]

You responded in general to education and working.

I really hope you are just playing “Devil’s advocate”…

 

[Liberanosamalo]

By the way, my views were formed by watching my mother’s generation, who ALL STAYED HOME AND FOLLOWED HUSBANDS’ CAREERS AND RAISED LARGE TRADITIONAL FAMILIES get dumped after 20 years. I watched as one woman with 10 kids had to secretly scrub toilets as a maid and her ex couldn’t find out because he would use her income to lower his obligation. I watched a woman who had 6 kids be left when her husband decided he deserved a 25 year old wife.

I watched women who had no jobs unable to get a credit card when their husbands had heart attacks at an early age.

I watched women forced to stay in abusive marriages because they had no job to support them if they chose to get away from their abuser.

I know of women who had to beg for household money from a man who drank it all away. And because these women had no income, they were told they had no say in what happened in their homes.

None of these women was doing Satan’s work outside the home. So that pie in the sky generation of moms at home had a really dark underside that you as a man may be unaware of. I am hoping you are unaware of it. Because that would make your comments based on ignorance rather than uncharitableness.

Not every woman staying at home was treated as some Saint in the Home Paragon of Catholic Motherhood.

And you obviously don’t know how it feels to have no way of earning income and have your spouse tell you you don’t “earn your keep.” When he said he didn’t want you working anyway.
Until it was time to leave.

My story isn’t misandrist. It’s very common among women.

 

[rpp]

I’m sorry but that is disgusting to hear. You think women being educated and working causes single motherhood and divorce?

Now what I have said is being seriously distorted and is, in fact, a lie. That is “disgusting” to anyone with a sense of morality. If you cannot truthfully state my position, then there is no chance for discussion.

It appears that several people on this thread do not understand charity and are not interested is honestly discussing the issue. Rather they promote their own misandrist agenda, even if they have to distort what other say.

There is no charity on this thread, only insults.

There is no discussion going on here. Just man bashing.

Well, you win your argument. Only because you have shouted down people who will not stoop to insulting others.

Good riddance to this male-bashing, women are innocent victims, and uncharitable thread.

 

[Sina]

rpp,

Please clarify what you mean then when you said

“The problems you cite are caused by the very behavior you are promoting. Looking at history, that is obvious.”

I responded asking "You think women being educated and working causes single motherhood and divorce? "

And you responded that you are being misread?

I understand that you didn’t want the education of women lumped in with causing the behaviour cited (such as divorce/single motherhood), but how specifically is women working while their kids are going to daycare, causing problems? I am looking at history, and I see things the other way around.

Liberanosomalo just pointed out several reasons why women should be experienced workers. Now please point out several reasons why they should not be?

By the way, perhaps some of the reason you feel misunderstood is because some of my posts ( and perhaps others ) are in response to yourself AND to others such as Sailor Kenshin.

 

[Sina]

bah nevermind rpp, you deleted your post and seem to be no longer interested in the discussion.

 

[Michael_Francis]

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