Is global warming true?

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Scientists have shown a picture of a glacier taken in the arctic from about 1oo yrs ago maybe 70yrs ago not sure.Anyway it shows this site all cover in snow .Now they show a recent photograph and its just bare earth.it does look like the same area.It appears that this whole region has melted .I know that the global warming issue is said to be false and its motives are to promote a terrible agenda but how does one explain these photos?Now its possible that these could be fake in some way(im not a photographer)but has anyone else seen these and are they legitamate?
 
I’m beginning to think that only God knows the answer. Every time I see an article about global warming being true, there is a counter-argument to what was said.

I give up on looking for answers to this argument. I figure I will let the scientists duke it out.
 
Climate change is fairly obviously true, but it begs the question how much do we know about the history of weather. How long has meteorology been a modern science?
 
iv got to worrying about being freed from mortal sin before i can start worrying about ice melting.
 
Maybe…maybe not. It’s difficult to determine due to the amount of variables involved.
 
Climate change is fairly obviously true, but it begs the question how much do we know about the history of weather. How long has meteorology been a modern science?
Hi YankeeRC:

Meteorology has not been a “modern science” for very long. Aristotle founded the term, but we didn’t get modern meteorology until the Renaissance (the Scientific Revolution). Global warming, by definition, requires records of temperature scales, which were not available until we had working thermometers (a 17th century invention). That being said, it is possible to reconstruct past temperatures using tree rings, ice cores, and that sort of thing. Here’s a typical ice core temperature and CO2 reconstruction going back about half a million years:

geology.rockbandit.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/vostok-ice-core.jpg

As you can see, temperatures rise and fall frequently, as we see periods of global cooling and periods of global warming. Those who believe in global warming can find arguments supporting it here:

ipcc.ch/

Those who don’t believe in global warming can find arguments here:

wattsupwiththat.com/

I think the best we can say is “possible, but not proven”. Indeed, the issue is so complex (there are hundreds of variables affecting earth climate) that it is, by definition, impossible to construct a working model of climate change with true predictive power given the instruments currently available to our natural sciences. This may change as computers become more powerful, but up to now, all we have is incomplete data and some limited computer models of what it all means. I think this is why so many “experts” contradict each other on this issue…some are looking at tree data which says one thing, or solar records which say another, and so on. To predict what will happen to climate in the future we need a model which includes all relevant variables, which we don’t have yet.

I hope this helps.

Jacques
 
Understood Jacques, I realize weather study is as old as agriculture but you crystallized my loose thoughts in your reference to climate data and modeling. Thanks. 🙂
 
No one has seen these photos eh?There were in magazines a few years back.Millions must have seen them.They were on tv programs also.
 
The original data prepared to show global warming in the form of a “hockey stick” graph was proved to be falsified data. The introduction of this imfamous graph was preceeded by orchestrated fan fare and media attention.

Therefore, the global warming we are familiar with is a hoax and sham.

However, there are normal cycles that we could not change if we wanted to.

Logically then, we should be calm, conserve our natural resources, and take good common-sense care of our planet.

Our creator told us to “multiply and fill the earth.” On this point, we have a lot of work to do.

Get busy! 😃
 
It is not whether there is global warming. The question should be, what causes it? There is warming, and cooling. This has been going on for ages, without any influence of mankind. How explain a medieval warming cycle of greater intensity and duration than the similar cycle of our recent experience.They didn’t have SUVs a thousand years ago. The source data used by the climate alarmists is believed by many reputable scientists to have been manipulated for pecuniary and ideological purposes contrary to the interests of the general public. It is revealing that Al Gore has recently called for population control to save the planet. Save it for whom, I wonder?
 
i like those little men eating popcorn and you posted me once before.What do they mean?Does it mean im crazy?
No, no, no, my friend, I do not think you’re crazy.

I have observed, however, that there are certain, shall we say, controversial topics on CAF that are likely to cause flame wars to break out, where the discussions devolve into sniping cat fights that oftentimes result in members getting suspended and banned. Recent such topics include:
  • wether it’s appropriate for Catholic children to practice ballet;
  • if toddler boys can wear nail polish and keep their gender identities intact;
  • co-sleeping;
  • anything with “modesty” or “Islamic dress” in the thread title;
  • woman wearing pants;
  • the appropriate placement of carseats; and
  • the responsibility of white America to solve the problems in “the ghetto.”
When I say the thread title, my mind immediately went to 'uh-oh, here comes a wild ride!" Hence the little popcorn man.
 
Scientists have shown a picture of a glacier taken in the arctic from about 1oo yrs ago maybe 70yrs ago not sure.Anyway it shows this site all cover in snow .Now they show a recent photograph and its just bare earth.it does look like the same area.It appears that this whole region has melted .I know that the global warming issue is said to be false and its motives are to promote a terrible agenda but how does one explain these photos?Now its possible that these could be fake in some way(im not a photographer)but has anyone else seen these and are they legitamate?
The HUGE problem with global warming, assuming it is true for the long term, with a year or two of backslides here and there…and I do believe it is true:yup:

…is that lifestyles will have to be altered. For many americans, it means THEIR life style, and especially the automobile. So many will jump on the anti-global warming bandwagon on any sort of counter-evidence. :sad_yes:

The good news is that I am 66 years old, and will be dead long before the full consequences are obvious.:sad_bye:
 
i like those little men eating popcorn and you posted me once before.What do they mean?Does it mean im crazy?
It means “sit back and enjoy the show that’s about to begin”… lol

In this thread, it’s referring to the fact that the topic is SO heated and controversial that an argument between posters is almost guaranteed at some point.
 
Check out what Michael Voris has had to say about global warming:

youtu.be/qwQEoCANZsQ

youtu.be/ZLr3ti5qGR8

youtu.be/6A6UBqEWRD8

youtu.be/WL-7XkC51Hw

If you are upset by the videos, let me point out that Jesse Ventura has been skeptical about global warming himself.

youtu.be/QRuzVbAODHw

I wonder what Mr. Voris has to say about global dimming.
yes i heard enough to convince me that its not true but I was curious about the glaciers melting because the photos were taken about 60 yrs apart.if we cool and warm up every 30yrs the glaciers should come and go and then come back I thought.
 
I think there is some truth in the fact that human activity can damage the environment - no question. However, I think this is being played upon and exaggerated by Governments for their own ends. I know that sounds like some conspiracy theory, but there are so many examples of obvious waste that it is very clear that the situation is not as dire as some would have us believe.

In Britain, we hear things such as:
  • we are told we will need to change our diet (meat based) as large populations of cattle are bad for the environment via the huge amounts of methane they emit (via flatulence lol).
  • despite Britain’s fuel (for cars) tax always having been sky high, the environment is being used as a retrospective justification, and an excuse to push petrol prices even higher. The price for a liter of petrol has roughly doubled in a decade, from ~70 pence to ~ £1.40. The vast majority of that is tax (the total amount, not just the rise). This is despite motoring being responsible for less than 2% of all emissions. Some people openly want the Government to literally tax people out of their cars, despite Britain’s pathetic excuse for a public transport system.
  • that we should cut down on the power we use for domestic purposes - for cooking, heating our homes, heating water to wash ourselves etc
Now, if the environment really was in dire trouble, these things would sound entirely reasonable measures for a Government to take.

But this advice is given against a backdrop of:
  • most City councils having a dismal record of recycling (especially compared to continental europe) . Despite citizens using recycling collection facilities, often Councils still send it all to landfill, because it is cheaper and easier for them.
  • massive amount of paper junk mail. Often, I get 3,4 or 5 of the same pizza menus, loan offers, adverts etc in the post at once (for example). All those trees cut down, processed into paper, driven to printers, driven to customers, then driven around the country by the post office. A massive carbon footprint, for junk mail which goes straight in the bin unread.
  • continual reliance on coal burning power stations to provide the bulk of our energy. (because they are scared of nuclear, and renewable energy just doesn’t cut it in terms of providing an economical base load)
  • massive amounts of obvious waste of electrical power. The same Government which says I use too much power to heat my home still wants all its public buildings lit up at night with pretty decorative lights. Walk into any department store or cosmetics shop. Look at the massive amount of pretty lights used to light up the displays of make-up and perfume etc. There are so many lights, that I often find it uncomfortably hot in these places.
  • as mentioned, the UK has an absolutely pathetic public transport system for a country of its wealth and status. It is very limited in scope, very unreliable, very expensive and has limited operating hours. It’s guff. It is also dirty and dangerous (I myself have been seriously assaulted by a drunk, on public transport - booo! lol). How can we cut down on fuel use, if there is no decent, affordable, 24 hour transport system to take the place of our cars? I would love to live in (eg) Berlin, with its awesome network of trains, trams and buses. But in Britain, I am forced to rely on my car.
So, while I am willing to believe that we can damage the environment, I cannot see that things are as bad as people say, while this massive amount of obvious waste continues around me. This is waste the Government could easily eliminate with legislation - but they do not. So, either the situation is exaggerated, or the Government is placing all the burden for change onto the public - as opposed to themselves and Industry.

Governments could often make easy, quick improvements to our way of life via legislation, but instead they often choose a taxation approach instead. (eg good public transport will get people out of cars more effectively than will expensive petrol And. r shops using recycled paper bags will help the environment more than making people pay for plastic bags. Taxing tobacco is another example of this approach). Governments never follow ideals, but rather money making schemes dressed up as ideals.

There have been several instances of environmentalists caught lying or exaggerating already. Himalayan glaciers and hong kong water levels are two examples where they lied (in studies) to create a problem. Previously, scientists who did good work earned the respect of their peers and the gratitude of their government. But now that celebrity and riches can also be expected, they have every temptation to twist their findings to suit their own purposes.

Regardless, everyone has a moral duty to respect and care for the environment. Ideally, there should be no difference in our human behaviour, if global warming is true or not - because we should always seek to eliminate waste and live responsibily, not just when we are forced to. So, in that sense, the actual truth of the situation is a moot point.

As it turns out, trends of the earths temperature (since records began) correspond pretty well with trends of sunspot activity for the same periods. I happen to believe that its more likely that the sun - the main source of the earths heat - is what mainly affects the earths temperature, far more than does humanity.
 
I’m going to come down on the other end of the argument and say have to say that climate change as a result of human activity is in fact a reality.

Other posters are correct in noting that the Earth does go through cycles of warming and cooling and that these cycles can coincide with sunspot activities. Through the use of proxy data (geological samples, ice cores, ect) we get a decent approximation (through, for examples, the ratio of oxygen isotopes) of the climate history of Earth. When compared to previous warming and cooling cycles, it is the speed of Earth’s current warming that leads scientists to believe that something is amiss. Furthermore, we do know that the properties of greenhouse gases (CO2, water vapour, and yes methane) could lead to a warmer climate. Finally, we do know the concentration of these chemicals in the Earth’s atmosphere have been increasing due to industrial activity. When we put those three factors together it is fairy logical that human beings are having an effect on on the climate.

Oh, as for the whole reduction of meat to reduce global warming movement, there is some validity to this. Methane, well constituting a relatively small amount of the Earth’s atmosphere, is an extremely potent greenhouse gas (up to 40X more potent than CO2). Consequently the relatively small amounts of methane emitted by livestock can indeed have some effect on the climate. The real concern is the amount of energy which goes into producing meat. When taken together a reduction in a meat based diet could, in fact, help to alleviate human pressures on the environment.
 
Well, as others have said, there is global warming and cooling which occurs naturally. Nothing, including the pictures of glaciers melting exceed known fluctuations in the past.
Personally, I come down on that any man-made global warming is miniscule compared to the natural variations. The global warming models projecting warming have been shown to be false, their predictions consistently fail to actually predict the temperatures actually occurring. The models predict that warming should have continued during the last decade when it has remained constant/slight decrease. If the model is wrong, than the scientific hypothesis behind those models are wrong, failing to account for all the factors contributing to the climate.

If you’re asking about it being caused by man, the data is worthless because it’s deeply flawed and the majority of folks pushing it are doing so for political or financial reasons. For example, financiers have been funding research saying it is in order to get cap and trade systems in place. These only benefit the brokers who sell a commodity which has been created out of thin air. That is China says they have decided not to build a plant, or build it more efficiently which the creates a credit which can be sold by the brokers to some business needing the credit. No emissions are actually reduced in this system, it’s all on paper. Perfect for fraud, as the EU has found out during their experience with a cap/trade system. Or Al Gore, whose personal fortune is tied up in pushing ‘green’ technologies, or GE which stands to make a fortune off of this. The leader of the IPCC commission creating the UN report also had a huge personal financial interest in pushing this, and most of the data in the UN report has been shown to be deeply flawed or even created out of whole cloth. Glaciers the report said were shrinking in India are actually increasing.

But… I won’t categorically deny it because no consistent methodology in measuring temperatures globally has been applied. Folks pushing it have in some years included hundreds of temperature stations in the arctic circle, and in other years only used a handful. (This has been noted by both the Canadian and Russian governments). They’ve ‘assumed’ or ‘extrapolated’ temperatures to these regions in some years while using actual temperatures in others- and oddly, they always bias it towards the warmest temp stations. Similarly, in South America actual temperatures aren’t used for the Andes mountains-- they’re extrapolated from temperatures in the amazon jungle. Additionally, the temperature databases are using stations which were in rural areas years ago, but are now in congested areas creating what is known as the ‘heat island’ affect due to pavement/concrete/buildings/industrial exhaust raising the temperatures locally. The IPCC assumes this has a minimal impact, less than .5 a degree but this has been shown to be far greater in most urban environments, on the order of 1.5 to two degrees. Also, some stations were relocated or discarded and many replaced by introducing aviation related weather stations which creates two problems-- heat island effect again because these are located at airports, as well as instrument error of these aviation thermometers being greater ~1.5 degrees (if memory serves). So, any claimed increase isn’t even outside the instrument error of many of the stations being used today.

Bottom line, the data is comparing apples to oranges. Completely different sets of temperatures, with different instrumentation and environments today then 10, 20, or 30 years ago.
 
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