Is God a good teacher?

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I know that most believers like to speak of God using superlatives, so I wonder if they realize that God - as a teacher - fails the “test”.

Good teachers give immediate feedback to their students. The feedback mechanism tells the students if they are right of wrong and what was their error (if any). Only an incredibly bad teacher would give out test papers, score them secretly without telling the students how they fared, and only at the end of the school year provide a summary evaluation, when there is no more opportunity to learn.

So those people who argue that the problems and the misfortunes happen to us because God wants us to grow, and become better obviously never thought their “arguments” through.

Any disagreement?
 
I most vigourously disagree with the assertion that God is in any way a bad teacher. There are however ‘bad’ listeners, people can allow fallibility and personal bias to baffle and convolute Divine lessons. We need to be ‘open to God’ first, if we wish to learn. He isn’t pushy, He allows us a freedom of choice/will.

Mark 8:18 - Having eyes, see you not? and having ears, hear you not? …
 
I know that most believers like to speak of God using superlatives, so I wonder if they realize that God - as a teacher - fails the “test”.

Good teachers give immediate feedback to their students. The feedback mechanism tells the students if they are right of wrong and what was their error (if any). Only an incredibly bad teacher would give out test papers, score them secretly without telling the students how they fared, and only at the end of the school year provide a summary evaluation, when there is no more opportunity to learn.

So those people who argue that the problems and the misfortunes happen to us because God wants us to grow, and become better obviously never thought their “arguments” through.

Any disagreement?
Completely.

Rebellious students are not the measure of a teacher’s greatness.

Your strawman is burning brightly. The standards have been made clear and for those who avail themselves of an examination of conscience get immediate, personized feedback.
 
I most vigourously disagree with the assertion that God is in any way a bad teacher. There are however ‘bad’ listeners, people can allow fallibility and personal bias to baffle and convolute Divine lessons. We need to be ‘open to God’ first, if we wish to learn. He isn’t pushy, He allows us a freedom of choice/will.

Mark 8:18 - Having eyes, see you not? and having ears, hear you not? …
Maybe you think that the church is a valid “substitute” or “placeholder” for God. That God does not need to come and warn us personally that action “X” is against his will. Sorry, my friend, not even catholics agree that the church speaks with God’s vocal cords. If God would want to elevate the church to be an acceptable “substitute teacher”, he needs to come clean and announce it loud and clear. It is not sufficient that “substitute teacher” elevates himself to that position. Only the real professor can do that.

Actually, a good teacher is “pushy”. If someone does not pay attention in class, he will scold that student openly, force him to listen and to learn. That is because a good teacher cares about his students - unlike God. There is no better method than an immediate feedback; a praise for a good answer, and a punishment for a bad one.
 
I know that most believers like to speak of God using superlatives, so I wonder if they realize that God - as a teacher - fails the “test”.

Good teachers give immediate feedback to their students. The feedback mechanism tells the students if they are right of wrong and what was their error (if any). Only an incredibly bad teacher would give out test papers, score them secretly without telling the students how they fared, and only at the end of the school year provide a summary evaluation, when there is no more opportunity to learn.

So those people who argue that the problems and the misfortunes happen to us because God wants us to grow, and become better obviously never thought their “arguments” through.

Any disagreement?
Yes, I disagree.

Your reasoning supposes God as “just another one of us humans,” who behaves in like ways, practices, and laws.

Christian teaching on God does not illustrate either assertion at all. God is an omnipotent being of spirit, as defined in traditional Catholic teaching, with three individual personalities that are not and never were human in its original Divine nature.

He does not think as humans do. Being an eternal creature who literally created the universe (including time) from nothing, he stands outside of time and can see time all at once (although not necessarily cause actions to occur because of this ability to see time this way).

While humans are obliged to follow the edicts and limitations given by this being, God himself is not bound to what he commands of humanity, can do what he wishes, and does.

The Second Person takes on a human nature, of course, in the form of Christ, where Sacred Scripture notes where he does have an active teaching practice and gives feedback to those he questions and who questions him. However, we can’t equate the modern teaching practices (or analogies thereof) to how Christ appears to have taught in ancient times.
 
Maybe you think that the church is a valid “substitute” or “placeholder” for God. That God does not need to come and warn us personally that action “X” is against his will. Sorry, my friend, not even catholics agree that the church speaks with God’s vocal cords. If God would want to elevate the church to be an acceptable “substitute teacher”, he needs to come clean and announce it loud and clear. It is not sufficient that “substitute teacher” elevates himself to that position. Only the real professor can do that.

Actually, a good teacher is “pushy”.
By who’s standards?
If someone does not pay attention in class, he will scold that student openly, force him to listen and to learn.
Impossible. One cannot be forced to listen.
That is because a good teacher cares about his students - unlike God.
Incorrect. His care for us was demonstrated throughout history. The pinnicle of which is His death on a cross and resurrection from the dead.
There is no better method than an immediate feedback; a praise for a good answer, and a punishment for a bad one.
How do you know this is the best method?
 
Jesus, the good teacher, is able to talk to each of his students 24 hours a day. The student just needs to have a personal relationship with him, and daily listen to the teacher’s leading. Many of his students have made great discoveries in science & health by following the teacher’s promptings.

The key is to not just read the text book written thousands of years ago (Bible). The key is not just to attend His University, The Catholic Church. The key is to love, listen, and follow the Master Teacher. The key is the personal tutorial time spent with a teacher who knows & loves the student.
 
Here’s a fun document I came across on God as teacher:

Catechetical Conference on the Pedagogy of God by Dr. Petroc Willey

I understand the appeal of the argument in the OP (it’s like those catchy “Could God create a rock so heavy He cannot lift it?” zingers), but it seems to me far too simplistic of an analogy. With God being God, if He came down and unveiled Himself in his infinite glory in order to specifically scold us each time we did wrong, free will would go out the window. We’d all be lying prostrate and trembling all the time.

I’d recommend reading a more thorough treatment of God’s pedagogy (as I linked to above) rather than relying on tweet-sized rhetorical “stumpers”.
 
Your reasoning supposes God as “just another one of us humans,” who behaves in like ways, practices, and laws.
That actually underscores my point. A good teacher comes down to the level of the students, explains them what needs to be explained in a manner the students can comprehend - and all the time MUST give the correct feedback. Without the feedback there can be no learning.
The Second Person takes on a human nature, of course, in the form of Christ, where Sacred Scripture notes where he does have an active teaching practice and gives feedback to those he questions and who questions him. However, we can’t equate the modern teaching practices (or analogies thereof) to how Christ appears to have taught in ancient times.
Judging by the results, the modern teaching methods are far superior. 😉
 
Jesus, the good teacher, is able to talk to each of his students 24 hours a day. The student just needs to have a personal relationship with him, and daily listen to the teacher’s leading. Many of his students have made great discoveries in science & health by following the teacher’s promptings.

The key is to not just read the text book written thousands of years ago (Bible). The key is not just to attend His University, The Catholic Church. The key is to love, listen, and follow the Master Teacher. The key is the personal tutorial time spent with a teacher who knows & loves the student.
So, where is he? In person? Actually talking to every one of us in a manner that we can hear and understand? And where is the feedback we need?

So far all the respondents chose to ignore the number one requirement: “give feedback”. Why does no one touch on that?
 
That actually underscores my point. A good teacher comes down to the level of the students, explains them what needs to be explained in a manner the students can comprehend - and all the time MUST give the correct feedback. Without the feedback there can be no learning.
Please provide evidence that God hasn’t done these things. Else this is just your question begging opinion.
Judging by the results, the modern teaching methods are far superior. 😉
What results are these? War? Murder? Robbery? Extortion? Fraud? How are these superior?
 
I understand the appeal of the argument in the OP (it’s like those catchy “Could God create a rock so heavy He cannot lift it?” zingers), but it seems to me far too simplistic of an analogy.
It is not an analogy, it is the real McCoy. Without feedback there is no learning. That is the whole point of the argument.
With God being God, if He came down and unveiled Himself in his infinite glory in order to specifically scold us each time we did wrong, free will would go out the window. We’d all be lying prostrate and trembling all the time.
Nonsense. A good teacher does not try to “blind” his students with his plethora of awards and medals, he simply explains where the student made a mistake in his analysis. And even if one saw God’s assumed “glory”, he could still disobey, but at least he would know that he disobeys.
 
Speaking of my experience, He is the most excellent teacher. If I can formulate the question, it is sufficient to get an answer. If you really want to know Truth, you must surrender your mind to Him.
 
Count my vote also to the fact that God is a great teacher. God provides instant feedback through our conscience. When we fail to pick up on His cues, it’s likely that we have somehow failed to listen, such as when we are carrying to much earthy luggage in our minds, but here too God will provide this info to us if we only we listen to our conscience.
 
On what rational basis can a truant declare a teacher “bad”, when they won’t show up for class?
 
Speaking of my experience, He is the most excellent teacher. If I can formulate the question, it is sufficient to get an answer.
But he does not provide any answers. We are left to our own devices, and when we fail, God does not correct our errors, and when we are on the right track, God does not provide encouragement. Remember, the rain falls on the righteous and the wicked alike!
Count my vote also to the fact that God is a great teacher. God provides instant feedback through our conscience. When we fail to pick up on His cues, it’s likely that we have somehow failed to listen, such as when we are carrying to much earthy luggage in our minds, but here too God will provide this info to us if we only we listen to our conscience.
Your conscience is the product of your upbringing. So people who are exposed to different upbringings, will reach different conclusions. God needs to use a direct, unambiguous method of communicating his standards for us.
 
Good teachers give immediate feedback to their students. The feedback mechanism tells the students if they are right of wrong and what was their error (if any). Only an incredibly bad teacher would give out test papers, score them secretly without telling the students how they fared, and only at the end of the school year provide a summary evaluation, when there is no more opportunity to learn.
The problem with your analogy is that it presents a concept of God that is not what the Catholic Church teaches. The argument you make may do an excellent job of refuting this straw man caricature of God that you’ve constructed in your imagination, but it doesn’t say a thing about what we as Catholics believe.

Even if you think God is a figment of our imagination, you have to refute OUR figment, not your figment 😛
 
The problem with your analogy is that it presents a concept of God that is not what the Catholic Church teaches. The argument you make may do an excellent job of refuting this straw man caricature of God that you’ve constructed in your imagination, but it doesn’t say a thing about what we as Catholics believe.

Even if you think God is a figment of our imagination, you have to refute OUR figment, not your figment 😛
Another predictable reply. When there is no rational counter-argument, the “caricature” or “straw man” is offered as a “solution”. Which part of the OP is incorrect? That God is not a “teacher”? That God does not care about correcting our mistakes and errors, when we still could mend our ways, and repent? All of these are taught by the church. Of course it claims that we should listen to it, since the church speaks with God’s mouth - which is just another unsubstantiated claim. Sorry, we - outsiders - need more than a self-proclaimed “authority” in the “class-room of life”.

Face it. There is no sign at all that God cares what happens to us. There is no feedback, there is no half-term exam so we can learn from our mistakes.
 
Another predictable reply. When there is no rational counter-argument, the “caricature” or “straw man” is offered as a “solution”. Which part of the OP is incorrect? That God is not a “teacher”? That God does not care about correcting our mistakes and errors, when we still could mend our ways, and repent? All of these are taught by the church. Of course it claims that we should listen to it, since the church speaks with God’s mouth - which is just another unsubstantiated claim. Sorry, we - outsiders - need more than a self-proclaimed “authority” in the “class-room of life”.

Face it. There is no sign at all that God cares what happens to us. There is no feedback, there is no half-term exam so we can learn from our mistakes.
The strawman fallacy is a real objective fallacy. You cannot be honest and rational and and at the same time reject and deny the datum of God in favor of your own datum and definitions.

That is in fact irrational and unreasonable. When you do that you make yourself out to be worse, more irrational and fanatical, than the theists that you’re arguing against.
 
Another predictable reply. When there is no rational counter-argument, the “caricature” or “straw man” is offered as a “solution”. Which part of the OP is incorrect? That God is not a “teacher”? That God does not care about correcting our mistakes and errors, when we still could mend our ways, and repent? All of these are taught by the church. Of course it claims that we should listen to it, since the church speaks with God’s mouth - which is just another unsubstantiated claim. Sorry, we - outsiders - need more than a self-proclaimed “authority” in the “class-room of life”.

Face it. There is no sign at all that God cares what happens to us. There is no feedback, there is no half-term exam so we can learn from our mistakes.
What you did in your original post, and here as well, was present something that we as Catholics don’t believe and then critique it. So what? We don’t believe it. We aren’t scored secretly, and we are given plenty of feedback. Let me illustrate my point by showing you what your analogy would look like if a Catholic had written it, so that you can see where I’m coming from.

Once we reach the age of reason, God the teacher hands us a test with a single question on it. That question reads as follows:

1. I give you a choice between two mutually exclusive options. Option number one is that you may freely choose to place the needs of all others, with absolutely no exceptions, ahead of your own personal desires, for all of eternity. Option number two is that you may freely choose to place your own personal desires ahead of the needs of all others, with absolutely no exceptions, for all of eternity. You may not choose none of the above, and you may not add or substitute different options. You MUST choose one of the two options before you. Your answer will not be accepted until the end of your time here on earth, which means you are free to change your mind until then. But be warned that the longer you consider making one of the two options your answer, the more comfortable you will be with that option and the less likely it will be that you will desire to change your answer to the other option. Which do you choose?

God tells us in advance that option number one is the correct answer. He does this through not only Divine Revelation but also by writing it on our hearts and therefore making it a part of our nature. He makes the test open book. We can think about the question all we want, conduct all the research we want, explore the ramifications of either option all we want, and even make it a group effort by talking about it freely with other students. He actively encourages making it a group effort by praying for each other. Because he is perfectly fair, he ensures that each and every one of us over the course of our lives are given everything that is necessary to enable us to choose option one. He has built a feedback mechanism into each of us called the conscience, to let us know when we’re considering the wrong answer. Since we are free to give either answer, we are also free to ignore our conscience. There are also natural negative consequences built into reality for living out option two. Depending on the manner in which we live it out, however, those natural negative consequences are sometimes not immediately evident. So we ay choose to dismiss them because we don’t want to think about them and would rather focus on what appear to be immediate positive consequences. It’s much the same way that the natural negative consequences of smoking are often not immediately evident, but the immediate positive consequences are.

At no point does God force us to choose option one. He reluctantly permits us to choose option two if we cannot be convinced otherwise, despite all of the above. The same conditions necessary for each and every one of us to be able to choose option one as our answer with no regrets for all of eternity mean that if we choose option two, we will also have no regrets for all of eternity. Some people pick their answer immediately at the age of reason and pretty much stick with it for their entire life. Some people don’t settle on their answer until the very end of their life. Most, like myself, are probably in between. And a very few will pick their answer early on, live it out daily, but change their mind at the last minute to the opposite once they realize that their time is up and they really don’t want to go with whichever option they’ve been living out. The last one can happen with either option, but when it does happen it’s more common that someone will switch from option two to option one than from option one to option two.

God doesn’t even need to score the test because we already know the correct answer. We will check it if we picked option one or mark it with an X if we picked option two, turn it in, and then willingly go on to what awaits us either way.

The fact that you are currently choosing option two, either directly or indirectly, saddens me. But it is your choice to make. I pray that you change your mind and come to seek a relationship with Christ in the future. He loves you, as do I, even though you reject him right now. Whatever pain in your past that you have permitted to lead you to reject God can be healed, if you will only give Christ the chance. Call me silly if you like, or deluded, or whatever. I still choose to pray for you and love you regardless. There is no sin too evil to be forgiven, no wound to great to be healed, if we turn to God with love in our heart.

You may ask how I can say that I love you when I don’t even know you. I may not know you personally but I know Christ, and all of us are made in the image and likeness of God. Through Christ we can love all people, even those who hate us and persecute us. Or in your case, simply disagree with us.
 
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