Is God Above Logic?

[belorg]

Everybody likes to think that we go beyond choosing what we like, that we are all objective enough to accept the “truth” on its own merits.

But more often than we humans like to admit–we prefer gathering selective “proofs” for the convictions we hold.

Do you believe that your convictions can be proven wrong? I doubt it. Why would you hold on to convictions you thought were false or incorrect?

Does anyone readily accept defeat in a debate or argument? How many find it easy to say they are wrong when they really are?

How many engage in debate on forums because they are wanting to be proved wrong and accept the views of the ones debating against them? Don’t people debate to not only try to prove the other wrong and–more importantly–to help strengthen their conviction that their beliefs can stand up to debate?

You don’t want to become a Catholic, do you? You want to stay an atheist. All well and good. You should follow the dictates of your conscience.

If the arguments for Catholicsim were convincing, I would become a Catholic, Delson.

I agree with you that we should travel the proverbial sea as far as we can, not stop just stop where we like. But the only people who do that are heroes.

Let’s all try to be heroes then.

And we are a society that persecutes heroes. We debate with them. We say their beliefs are wrong because they don’t match our logic. We stone them, either literally or with words and arguments.

Debate is the opposite of persecution. It has nothing to do with stoning.

We make big claims of traversing sea and ocean, but few ever leave port and most don’t even own a boat–or the knowledge to sail one even if they did!

Some do, however, and it’s those people we should encourage.

 

[DelsonJacobs]

Look, I am not talking about you, I am talking about people who claim they have all figured it out and then get caught in circular reasoning. To say, on their behalf, that this seems circular but that is only to us, imperfect human being, and from God’s prespective this will all mysteriously make sense, is simply intellectual dishonesty.

I know you haven’t been saying these things about me personally. I’ve known that from the start.

My comments were actually designed to point out that the logic you were using in your arguments could be used by others to attack the points you were making.

I have many friends who are atheist whom I love dearly. We never talk about religion or debate. I often defend them, as a matter of fact. I was actually trying to keep holes I saw in your arguments from getting too big and being used by others, but I guess it backfired.

 

[DelsonJacobs]

If the arguments for Catholicsim were convincing, I would become a Catholic, Delson.

Let’s all try to be heroes then.

Debate is the opposite of persecution. It has nothing to do with stoning.

Some do, however, and it’s those people we should encourage.

See, case in point. You missed the points I was making. I am obviously a bad writer because you go on the defensive and take an immediate stand against them when I was trying to agree with you.

I am leaving now. All I got out of this is that you like to argue, and I am sure you are more than that.

My apologies.

 

[belorg]

See, case in point. You missed the points I was making. I am obviously a bad writer because you go on the defensive and take an immediate stand against them when I was trying to agree with you.

I am leaving now. All I got out of this is that you like to argue, and I am sure you are more than that.

My apologies.

I did not miss your points, Delson. I don’t agree with your points, for the reasons I presented, that’s all.
And yes, I like to argue, and that’s why I hate it when someone kills a discussion.

 

[Forged]

–if that’s true we cannot know anything.

Welcome to Science.
It’s mindboggling, but the only thing humans “know” is that we know nothing.

I think you will find this to be very informative – it’s from The National Academy of Sciences, so I’d say it’s impartial.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11876&page=11

 

[belorg]

Welcome to Science.
It’s mindboggling, but the only thing humans “know” is that we know nothing.

I think you will find this to be very informative – it’s from The National Academy of Sciences, so I’d say it’s impartial.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11876&page=11

I couldn’t agree more, Forged.

 

[ShameonMe]

As far as I know, the Catholic Position is that God can be revealed through logic, as opposed to the Fideistic proposition that only faith “works” for lack of a better word.