Is God bound by any law?

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“The Son of man is Lord even of the Sabboth.” Lk. 6;5

God is not bound by any law whatsoever. He may do as he pleases at any time, any where, any time without any accountability.

Do we have at least the right to know why if it affects us?

What do you think?
 
fred_conty said:
“The Son of man is Lord even of the Sabboth.” Lk. 6;5

God is not bound by any law whatsoever. He may do as he pleases at any time, any where, any time without any accountability.

Do we have at least the right to know why if it affects us?

What do you think?
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interesting question! of course you are correct. God dissobeys the fifth commandment several times per minute.

In answer to the question of rights… no, we don’t have rights that even God is required to respect.
 
zro_x said:
interesting question! of course you are correct. God dissobeys the fifth commandment several times per minute.

In answer to the question of rights… no, we don’t have rights that even God is required to respect.
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Yes, but what about the rights we have in regard to his Providence.
Isn’t he obligated to provide?
 
fred_conty said:
Yes, but what about the rights we have in regard to his Providence.
Isn’t he obligated to provide?
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Obligated by what or who?

Obviously, if God is the Ground of all existence, Being itself, Goodness itself, the omnipotent and omniscient source of all there is, there can be nothing that “obligates” God except his own goodness and will. To say these “obligate” God, though would be a misuse of the word. It would be more accurate to say that God is the guarantor of our ultimate well-being. If God does not guarantee our ultimate well-being, no one or nothing else possibly could.

To hold that God is the only “necessary” Being, is to say his absolute Goodness, omniscience and omnipotence necessarily guarantee that he knows and wills what is best for all that he creates.

Given all this, then, our perceptions of what is “owed” to us by God may be mistaken because our knowledge of our own good is limited in scope by our lack of knowledge and goodness.
 
We don’t have the “right” to know anything, because God is not a servant of His creatures.

However, in His mercy, God made Himself like us, and chose to share with us His will, that we may follow Him not as servants, but as children.

God is not “bound” by any law, but neither are we: we are not under the law, but under grace, for grace fulfills the law. Thus Christ said: I did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.

God is the fullness of goodness and wisdom, the source of all graces. He is the Law. All He does is perfectly wise, good, and just.

Us, however, imperfect sinners, disobey Him and do what is not good. Thus we become subject to the law, or, rather, accountable. But if we were to follow God in grace, we would also do as we please at any time, anywhere, and the people would say in the end: “he did everything right.”
 
fred_conty said:
Yes, but what about the rights we have in regard to his Providence.
Isn’t he obligated to provide?
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God is not bound by his creatures, but He always provides for them, whether we see it or not. Our problem is that we judge with human eyes, forgetting that we are blind and that we cannot understand the things of this world, thus the heavenly things are beyond our grasp.
 
poptown said:
Yes. His own promises!
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Giggly_Giraffe said:
His word/ covenants
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These are 2 things I was going to mention, His promises and His Word. 👍

I think there are laws He put in place that He made Himself bound by, like for instance sacrifice or dying for sins. The way in the old testament they had to sacrifice animals to atone for their sins and then God sent His Son to die for our sins. So it seems like He was bound by that law of blood being shed to atone for sins otherwise why send His Son to suffer and die for us? He could have just waved His hand and made all sin disappear. 🤷 The universe and spiritual realm He created has laws (like you reap what you sow) and He has made Himself bound by those laws. Another example is the law of the savior being **born **on the earth through a woman. That same law is what makes the fallen angels have limited ability of what they can do since they don’t have an earthly body and why they like to try to possess people in order to do things. They tried to get around that law by mating with human women in an attempt to have some kind of connection to this earth. It seems like some law was in effect otherwise God could have just dropped baby Jesus down on earth from the sky. So I do think God is bound by some of the laws He created but he also knows how to get around those laws without breaking them since He created them. 😉 I think He made those laws to keep order to the universe and spirit realm otherwise everything is chaos.
 
“word”,“covenant”,“promise”, God is bound by since he made these with us.

So in some way God is bound, but as good as these are, do we consider them laws?

Wouldn’t it be more like a contract he has made with man that he will keep?

I liked Skye’s answer since this differentiates christianity from all religions…
That is, the promise to Adam, the promise to Abraham. No other religion can
say this. This is the star in the sky.

So God did commit himself and kept his word.

Thanks to all for responding, I thought they were all good answers.
 
frizzgrig said:
No, God allows the death of each person who dies. There is a difference.
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If you allow a person to die when you could save him, you are responsible for that person’s death.

Besides, God causes all physical phenomena.
 
zro_x said:
God causes the death of every person on the planet.
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Really =.= So, please, can you explain to me what the Good News is? Because one of us missed it completely.

I had understood that Christ - who is God - taught us that life is eternal, and that the physical death is no death at all. In fact, before Christ the people believed that the dead were “fallen asleep” and even Christ said to the relatives of the girl: “do not cry: she is not dead, but asleep”. This is a great mystery. He would later say: “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die.” And he insisted: “I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live.”

Indeed He scandalized the teachers of the Law when He said: “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” and later: “about the resurrection of the dead–have you not read what God said to you, I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living. You therefore do greatly err.”

So it was my understanding that Christ came to give eternal life, or rather, that by taking flesh and experiencing death and resurrection He stepped over death and raised all the members of His body to eternal life.

That, of course, is a major misunderstanding on my side if instead it is true that God causes the death of every person 🤷
If you allow a person to die when you could save him, you are responsible for that person’s death.
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However, if that person has his being and lives in you (Acts 17:28) and you are Life itself, the perspective changes, doesn’t it? Indeed, you try to discern God’s thoughts as if they were men’s thoughts.
 
R_C said:
Really =.= So, please, can you explain to me what the Good News is? Because one of us missed it completely.

I had understood that Christ - who is God - taught us that life is eternal, and that the physical death is no death at all. In fact, before Christ the people believed that the dead were “fallen asleep” and even Christ said to the relatives of the girl: “do not cry: she is not dead, but asleep”. This is a great mystery. He would later say: “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die.” And he insisted: “I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live.”

Indeed He scandalized the teachers of the Law when He said: “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” and later: “about the resurrection of the dead–have you not read what God said to you, I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living. You therefore do greatly err.”

So it was my understanding that Christ came to give eternal life, or rather, that by taking flesh and experiencing death He stepped over death and raised all the members of His body to eternal life.

That, of course, is a major misunderstanding on my side if instead it is true that God causes the death of every person 🤷
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I wasn’t talking about spiritual death. By your logic, We can go out and kill anyone we want to because they will not really be dead. No, by commanding,“Thy shalt not kill”, God commands us not to take the physical lives of others. Which is a law that he himself breaks. God indeed causes the physical deaths of several people every minute.
 
zro_x said:
I wasn’t talking about spiritual death. By your logic, We can go out and kill anyone we want to because they will not really be dead. No, by commanding,“Thy shalt not kill”, God commands us not to take the physical lives of others. Which is a law that he himself breaks. God indeed causes the physical deaths of several people every minute.
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No, by my logic we cannot because God commanded us not to murder. But that doesn’t change the validity of the argument in the least bit: the person would not be dead, he would experience physical death of the flesh (which “profits nothing”) while the immortal soul would live and eventually, on the last day, be reunited to the glorified body 🤷

God does not take the life of others: you forget that God is life. Because of man’s imperfection, a limit was set to man’s years. And for men who love Christ, “to live is Christ and to die is gain”, and if we ought to pray to live the physical life longer, may it be only so that we may bear more sufferings for the sake of sinners and of the Church.
 
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