Is God chastising the world?

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And the atheists will sit there as their world burns and say “It’s entirely random.”

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As to the question, I certainly hope so, we certainly deserve it; I know I do.
Why do you ( or new born babies / toddlers for that matter) deserve misery brought about by a natural event?

Yes, I’m aware that all have sinned and are guilty before the Lord…but do you really believe a baby deserves to get her body crushed by a collapsing building in an earth quake in a poor down trodden third world country with non existent building standards?

You’d actually walk right up to the grieving parents and tell them that their child deserved to be crushed?
 
I am just kind of confused. I know Blessed Pope John Paul II spoke of a coming springtime in the Church but I really don’t know the context of it. Did he believe that we will suffer a chastisement first and then a springtime in the Church will come?
This first sign of springtime is winter’s loss of power and influence—does not guarantee future flourishing, but it does make spring possible. Springtime is not a period of reward but a time of labor. Unworked land will produce acres of weeds rather than rows of wheat. No harvest can be expected if no seed is sown. In the Christian life as well as in business there is such a thing as a missed opportunity. Springtime offers a temporal window in which to invest one’s spiritual efforts for future gains. It is a call to earnest effort, not a promise of guaranteed success in the secular world.
 
Why do you ( or new born babies / toddlers for that matter) deserve misery brought about by a natural event?

Yes, I’m aware that all have sinned and are guilty before the Lord…but do you really believe a baby deserves to get her body crushed by a collapsing building in an earth quake in a poor down trodden third world country with non existent building standards?

You’d actually walk right up to the grieving parents and tell them that their child deserved to be crushed?
That same baby/ toddler grows up to be sold into the sex slave and dies of disease brought about by her slavery.
That same baby toddler grows up and blows himself up.
Take your pick.

As to the op i really don’t care. what happens happens. time moves on that’s how we know time, by events happening.
 
I believe JPII did, personally. Fatima and Akita are both approved. The warnings that Mary has brought all tend to say the same things about the results of sin on our lives here: it causes a reaction that is characterized as “chastisement.” Eternal forgiveness doesn’t mean our lives will be without pain.

To me it’s like a guy who steals a car. The merciful judge, after hearing how sorry he is, suspends the sentence, but he still has to give back the car. There are consequences to sin.

In the world, too many aren’t a bit sorry for sin, our cultures encourage it, teach children to do it, reward with admiration those who become very good at it. TV is the new Roman Colosseum.

Jesus and Mary have always appeared asking for victim souls to suffer for poor sinners. Fatima especially asks us to pray the Rosary in reparation for the sins of others.

But I think what that phrase that bothers you means, is that the ratio of pray-ers to sinners is simply getting too high. The exchange of spiritual goods is too far in debt, the terrible consequences of all this evil will fall on us fully.

The Church will always exist. But not always in this form. Rome can fall. It can have someone drop a meteor or a bomb on it. Even if we end up in catacombs, the Church will exist as long as one person is willing to give up their life in Christ’s name for another.

Jesus spoke of two things: what Eternity was like and what we need to do here. JPII gave us the problem and the solution. More bad things are coming. It’s how bad they will be that is still undecided. And considering how bad they are already, maybe we all need to stop posting so much so we have more time for praying.
Good point. I normally just pray when I am driving. I never really consider how much of an impact it has for a person to pray “without ceasing”. I know it and don’t apply it 😦 . I do pray without ceasing but I do not do any kind of praying that requires a lot of focus enough.
 
It doesn’t seem worse to me than other eras of plagues, holocausts, floods, wars and volcanos.

Environmentalists think the earth is “cleansing” itself. That sounds much more positive to me than chastising!
Do not buy in to that stuff please. Satan appears as the “angel of light”.
 
Why do you ( or new born babies / toddlers for that matter) deserve misery brought about by a natural event? Sometimes we pay for the sins of others. Those babies are in heaven - but did not deserve it. It is a result of God’s “permissive will”.

Yes, I’m aware that all have sinned and are guilty before the Lord…but do you really believe a baby deserves to get her body crushed by a collapsing building in an earth quake in a poor down trodden third world country with non existent building standards?
No we do not believe that. We believe that we are chastised as a result of our sin for our own good.
You’d actually walk right up to the grieving parents and tell them that their child deserved to be crushed?No, we would apologize for the worlds sins. We offend God on a regular basis (such as disobeying the 1st commandment - idle worship is prevalent in society). This is not a result of God’s will but a result of God’s permissive will. When we deny Him He denies us. When He denies us Satan gains power over us. When Satan gains power over us we sin. When we fall too far into sin - we are reminded of how much we are offending God in a perfectly just and merciful way. Better for babies to go to Heaven than for them to grow up and go to Hell. My personal belief is many 3rd world countries take away a lot of peoples free will. God is very big on choice - you must choose to deny Him in order to go to Hell. If you were to be raised in a situation that would prevent you from being able to make that choice it would be better to go to Heaven by default. All of this is speculation though because we can not understand how God works. God is infinite - we are finite.
 
Yes, I’m aware that all have sinned and are guilty before the Lord…but do you really believe a baby deserves to get her body crushed by a collapsing building in an earth quake in a poor down trodden third world country with non existent building standards?

You’d actually walk right up to the grieving parents and tell them that their child deserved to be crushed?
This is a bit more esoteric than “Original sin means cruel God murders babies indiscriminately.”

This is more like: “If we ignore science and insist on wasting our resources and trashing the natural world, it will “fight back” and correct the problem by killing those who are infesting it and causing the problem.”

Global warming is a self-correcting problem. The Universe is one big interconnected whole. That includes Time and Eternity. Actions have consequences. It’s just the way things work. Our Lord and Our Blessed Mother come again and again to warn us and ask for our actions to create the love that defeats the darkness.

Now - let’s take that baby being crushed to death under a collapsing building. Do you think it deserves to grow up and die a lingering and painful death from cancer? Death is just a doorway to a life of joy forever, however and whenever it comes.
 
Good point. I normally just pray when I am driving. I never really consider how much of an impact it has for a person to pray “without ceasing”. I know it and don’t apply it 😦 . I do pray without ceasing but I do not do any kind of praying that requires a lot of focus enough.
Me neither. I used to but - well, no excuses. Lately I have been thinking how much I need to get back to work. Besides, it makes life hugely better.
 
Me neither. I used to but - well, no excuses. Lately I have been thinking how much I need to get back to work. Besides, it makes life hugely better.
I would find it more beneficial to fix what is wrong in my spiritual life first. There are different forms of work.
 
I would find it more beneficial to fix what is wrong in my spiritual life first. There are different forms of work.
Thing is, I can’t fix it. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. Which means I have to put things aside for more prayer time. Even if I just sit there.

Guess I should get started.
 
That same baby/ toddler grows up to be sold into the sex slave and dies of disease brought about by her slavery.
That same baby toddler grows up and blows himself up.
Take your pick.

As to the op i really don’t care. what happens happens. time moves on that’s how we know time, by events happening.
Sounds like your saying that in order to avoid any ‘possible’ future pain, it would be better if everyone were dead?

:eek:

Am I interpreting that wrong?
 
This is a bit more esoteric than “Original sin means cruel God murders babies indiscriminately.”

This is more like: “If we ignore science and insist on wasting our resources and trashing the natural world, it will “fight back” and correct the problem by killing those who are infesting it and causing the problem.”

Global warming is a self-correcting problem. The Universe is one big interconnected whole. That includes Time and Eternity. Actions have consequences. It’s just the way things work. Our Lord and Our Blessed Mother come again and again to warn us and ask for our actions to create the love that defeats the darkness.

Now - let’s take that baby being crushed to death under a collapsing building. Do you think it deserves to grow up and die a lingering and painful death from cancer? Death is just a doorway to a life of joy forever, however and whenever it comes.
I look at life as a gift, not a burden.

On that point, I don’t believe we’ll find a middle ground.
 
I look at life as a gift, not a burden.

On that point, I don’t believe we’ll find a middle ground.
Life is indeed a gift but there are still a lot of difficulties in life. Life isn’t going to be easy for anyone. Everyone has their own difficulties during life although they may vary in intensity.
 
Sounds like your saying that in order to avoid any ‘possible’ future pain, it would be better if everyone were dead?

:eek:

Am I interpreting that wrong?
no i didn’t say that you were the one crying over the death of the children in your own example. So i gave an example of what life these children may have.
 
I look at life as a gift, not a burden.

On that point, I don’t believe we’ll find a middle ground.
Life is a gift. It’s the path to God, the way we go from nothingness to everything.

OTOH, I presume the gift you are appreciating doesn’t involve starvation, homelessness, torture or chronic extreme pain.
 
You know, lately it seems as though God has been chastising the world with all of the natural disasters and such that have struck in various parts of the world. There are also a lot of other things going on that would seem to indicate that the Lord is chastising the world. Are we undergoing a chastisement?
THat’s not really a Catholic way of looking at things.

Evangelicals will tend to talk this way ala 700 club and such but not us.
 
Are you implying that Hell is not a perfect act of mercy?

God would like to lead all souls to heaven - however all souls do not want to be lead to heaven. Those souls choose the Kingdom of Hell (which is both state of mind and a place) over the Kingdom of Heaven. It is God’s will that they be able to choose Hell. Since God knows some will make that choice, even before they are born, it is God’s will that some will be in Hell.

edit: words are funny. God does not want any of His children in Hell this is true. At the same time it is His will that some will be. This is a result of His will that we have complete free will - including the ability to separate ourselves from the Lord.
There is no Kingdom of Hell. Satan is no King of anything.

I don’t even like typing that phrase.

Hell is the lack of God- there is nothing positive- in the philosophical sense of it. It is a lack of.
 
no i didn’t say that you were the one crying over the death of the children in your own example. So i gave an example of what life these children may have.
It’s better for kids to be dead, than alive…so as to avoid a future with pain?

:confused:

That’s really, really dark.
 
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