Is God dependent on us (creation) to be a creator?

[Vonsalza]

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Space-time isn’t nothing. It isn’t the void. It’s a thing in itself that had a distinct beginning and is part of creation, and there was no such thing as time or duration prior to it, this last phrase being my original point.

Ah! Thanks for the clarification.

Then we have a philosophical disagreement about the materiality of space time. I think it is observed as a derivative of matter and you posit it is a distinct thing.

In accordance with your view, there couldn’t have conceptually been such a thing as “5 seconds before the big bang”. My view posits “of course there could have been, you just couldn’t measure it”.

Obfuscating the matter further are the emergent theories about the pre-big-bang universe.

I’m defaulting to King again on this matter: “It’s turtles all the way down.”

 

[Ben_Sinner]

Even if God was always the creator, the question still remains though…

The creator is dependent on the creation in order to be considered a creator. If there were no creation, there couldn’t be a creator and vice versa.

So how do we show this doesn’t show a weakness and dependency on God’s part?

 

[Usagi]

Even if God was always the creator, the question still remains though…

The creator is dependent on the creation in order to be considered a creator. If there were no creation, there couldn’t be a creator and vice versa.

So how do we show this doesn’t show a weakness and dependency on God’s part?

Because it’s just words. Yes, if He’d never chosen to create anything outside Himself, then he would not be the Creator, by the definition of the words. But that would not change His nature or lessen Him in any way. The Trinity would go on in mutual love for eternity, undiminished.

We honor God as Creator because He did create everything not-God – not merely rearranged existing material as human creators do, but willed every contingent thing into existence out of nothing. But Creator is not something God has to be in order to be God.

My brother only became a father when my niece was born, and I’m sure that (being a human and thus capable of improvement) he thinks that in some sense he was incomplete before that. But although his being a father depends on his having sired a daughter, his existence and characteristics outside of that one word are not dependent upon her. Conversely, she literally would not exist if it were not for him and her mother. Similarly, God is “dependent” on creation in order to be described in certain words (because those words are defined in terms of a relationship to other things), but it is not anything like our being truly dependent on Him for our very reality.