Is God Eternity? Is Heaven Eternity? Is God Heaven?

[Vico]

That wasn’t what I was implying I was meaning that God the Son entered time and space at the Incarnation, not that He came into being at the Incarnation. He existed eternally with the Father and Holy Spirit

If I understand Craig correctly, he seems to say that the only way that God can relate to us is by coming from the state of timelessness (eternity) into everlasting time and that He cannot go back to being timelessness. However, that may be true if one does not consider the Blessed Trinity in which each person is fully God yet three persons. Could not the Person of the Son come into time from eternity and yet God the Father remain in timelessness?

Or maybe this whole thing is like a cat chasing its tail

I just know that the more I contemplate the implications, the deeper my faith gets. As a Protestant, I never heard sermons based upon the deep mysteries of God. They were all shallow and superficial.

What Dr. Craig was stating is that with creation itself, God enters into time. Now, that means the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The incarnation of Jesus Christ occurs with the conception of Christ. God is simple and the Persons are essential with one divine will and one divine mind, and eternal (no beginning and no end).

 

[GLam8833]

I am sorry I can’t be of more help, I DID read
your posts, you are trying to argue w/ a non-
Catholic about what exactly “eternity” means
in relation to the sacrifice of the Mass.
Pianist Clare’s link to the article on this matter
I think is the most Catholic explanation of this!!

catholic.com/tracts/the-institution-of-the-mass

 

[IWantGod]

Further, it seems to me that if God=Eternity and Heaven=Eternity, then God=Heaven. Is this a correct syllogism? Or is Heaven a place? How does that correspond to the Beatific Vision?

Thanks!

For someone who is not well versed on philosophy you are nevertheless quite intuitive.

No created thing can fulfill us spiritually much less our destiny. And God is the source of all power. Thus heaven is the beatific vision of God, or you can say heaven is God. We may experience heaven in a place, but it is not itself a place.

 

[fisherman_carl]

I think it’s about time you welcome the
God of Eternity like a little child and
accept Him and His love for you, which
is Eternal!!

Oooh, that’s a new one. Have you accepted the God of Eternity as your personal Lord and Savior?

 

[fisherman_carl]

Because of the doctrine of divine simplicity God is his attributes. God is love. Not just God has love, but He is love. It makes sense intuitively. Eternity does not exist apart from or merely alongside God. Thus, from that perspective God is Eternity. It is his nature to be eternal. He is the One that philosophers have searched for to explain existence itself.

 

[slh3016]

For someone who is not well versed on philosophy you are nevertheless quite intuitive.

No created thing can fulfill us spiritually much less our destiny. And God is the source of all power. Thus heaven is the beatific vision of God, or you can say heaven is God.** We may experience heaven in a place, but it is not itself a place.**

Well, my husband tells me I think too much I think it’s partly OCD.

The bolded above is the realization I came to as I became Catholic. Protestants are notorious for having a very shallow understanding of theology and it became nauseating to hear of sacred things spoken of so callously and nonchalantly with no real understanding of it. Heaven and angels, I feel, are one of the most misunderstood concepts of all.

 

[slh3016]

Because of the doctrine of divine simplicity God is his attributes. God is love. Not just God has love, but He is love. It makes sense intuitively. Eternity does not exist apart from or merely alongside God. Thus, from that perspective God is Eternity. It is his nature to be eternal. He is the One that philosophers have searched for to explain existence itself.

This^^^^ is what I’ve been reading about and meditating upon.

 

[slh3016]

I am sorry I can’t be of more help, I DID read
your posts, you are trying to argue w/ a non-
Catholic about what exactly “eternity” means
in relation to the sacrifice of the Mass.
Pianist Clare’s link to the article on this matter
I think is the most Catholic explanation of this!!

catholic.com/tracts/the-institution-of-the-mass

That is a great link and one I had already sent this person before. I apologize if I came across as curt earlier, but where I’m from, when someone says “It’s about time you…”, it comes across as an accusation that the person hadn’t previously been doing that (or had done it).