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simple_soul
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Yes you are correct. I ment to say St. Matthew 25:31 Thank you for picking up on that error.
It is the one about the day of last judgement. When God separates the sheep from the goats.
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It is the one about the day of last judgement. When God separates the sheep from the goats.
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superdave69
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I said earlier it could get very complicated? We can not have a finite answer to all these questions, as no one knows except God. Our knowledge comes from the word of God and the Churches history. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and love your neighbor as, God loves you. Christ is love and that means we feed the poor and broken hearted. We pray for World peace. We own nothing in this world, not even our own life.
Think hard about that one. Our mission is to go and preach the gospel and that is not just quoting scriptures. It is like being a mother Theresa. Confess our sins, take communion and do not take life as if we are in control as we are not. We must do this to the end.
God Bless
Think hard about that one. Our mission is to go and preach the gospel and that is not just quoting scriptures. It is like being a mother Theresa. Confess our sins, take communion and do not take life as if we are in control as we are not. We must do this to the end.
God Bless
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simple_soul
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You are correct it started to get complicated.
I also agree with you and chaunceygardner that Mother Theresa is a very good example. May her memory be eternal.
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chaunceygardner
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I like it. I obviously agree with your view that we cannot find out the answer to everything. Not in this life. It is presumptious of anyone, including the Church, to think that they can.
What you wrote could be a creed, a statement of beliefs. Many people, including a lot of those on these forums, think being a good Christian is following a lot of rules. In truth, as you say here, being a Christian means loving God and loving people, and then acting on that love. That’s the part that can get messy and dirty. Mother Teresa did it by caring for the poorest of the poor, and for the dying. Without conditions. She was seeing Jesus in each one that she cared for. She lived the Gospel like no other person has in my lifetime.
Jesus never said: “Follow these rules and you will get to heaven”. He said:
"Whatever you do for one of these least brothers of mine, you do for me."
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chaunceygardner
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The verse I quoted in my post prior to this came from Matthew 25. Another person who lived that chapter of Matthew’s Gospel almost as well as Mother Teresa but in a different way was Angelo Roncalli, Pope John XXIII. I have no doubt that both of them strongly felt and responded to the Lord, who was residing in their souls.Yes you are correct. I ment to say St. Matthew 25:31 Thank you for picking up on that error.
It is the one about the day of last judgement. When God separates the sheep from the goats.
Peace and blessings.
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Formosus
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God’s uncreated energies (or Grace as its called in the west) dwells within us. So yes , God is in us. Its not some strange hindu pantheistic nonsense.
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Aramis
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Grace is not, however, our human nature. We can gain grace through Sacraments, and faith and works, and lose it through acts and failure to act.
But our nature is created at the point of ensoulment by God for each of us. God speaks our souls into being. Each unique and created, but not a shard of God. Each a potential container for God’s Grace, but by the sin of Adam, closed to that grace until baptism.
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simple_soul
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Hi Aramis,
Since baptism has been brought up do you mind explaining what baptism is, how it works and why it is needed?
Also could you clear some thing up for me. How did the Prophets in the Old Testament hear God. I think what I am trying to ask is how were they able to prophesize God’s word without being baptised?
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chaunceygardner
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You said very clearly what I too was trying to say. Thank you for that and for concisely answering the question.
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simple_soul
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I apologize Aramis but On the question of Baptism I could not wait for an answer so I went again to the Holy See web sit and found these words by Archibishop A.K. Obiefuna, Bishop M. Okoro, and Archibishop A.J.V.Obimna. It is titled “The Holy Spirit on Mission in the Early Church”. It not only answered the question I had about baptism but also other questions that have arrised in this thread. I hope the link comes through. I do reccomend every one read it. I look forward to your thoughts
vatican.va/jubilee_2000/magazine/documents/ju_mag_01021998_p-40_en.html
vatican.va/jubilee_2000/magazine/documents/ju_mag_01021998_p-40_en.html
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bpbasilphx
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You may want to consider that what YOU say is the truth may be just an opinion, a belief that cannot be proven correct, except by declaring it to be so. I prefer a little more concrete evidence for my truth. Otherwise, my opinion is just as good as your opinion.
**What you’re saying is that you’re refusing to receive sound doctrine, and will simply believe your opinion.
I’ll believe the Lord Jesus Christ Christ and His holy Word.**
**What you’re saying is that you’re refusing to receive sound doctrine, and will simply believe your opinion.
I’ll believe the Lord Jesus Christ Christ and His holy Word.**
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chaunceygardner
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No refusal at all. Rather, I want to know the reason for the doctrine, how it came to be, and why it is important to our faith. There are some that I can readily accept at face value, but there are so many more that require more explanation or that I can’t agree with at all.
I believe in Jesus and his Word as well. But I want to do more than believe, I have to feel that I know in my heart what his Word is saying to me. Then I have to put into action.
And then there those ideas, like what I presented earlier about how I view God within us, that some may say are wrong or even heretical, because they don’t APPEAR to agree exactly with Church doctrine. Such as whether our souls existed before we were born, or not.
I say, who ever is right, SO WHAT?
Does it affect my chances of salvation if my view of the eternal qualities of God and our Soul is a little different than what the Church teaches? It shouldn’t. I am neither saying the Church is wrong, nor am I advocating that anyone else accept what I believe. It is just my way of understanding our relationship with God, and it works for me. And if my view isn’t correct, I will find out some day. But I can’t imagine that God will punish me for thinking about Him, or for trying to better understand Him, or for meditating on the meaning of our existence within Him. I would think He would be pleased!
Ya know, I would not be surprised if none of us (you, me or the Church) is exactly right on this. So, I will keep searching and keep trying to better understand God and what He expects of us. It is a life long journey (at least for me) and it is the best trip I have ever been on.
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bpbasilphx
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Does it affect my chances of salvation if my view of the eternal qualities of God and our Soul is a little different than what the Church teaches? It shouldn’t.
**Don’t argue with me. Argue with the Bible where 2 Thess 2 clearly teches you can believe a lie and be damned.
Furthermore, the Bible also says,
Titus 3:10
10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
You’ve been admonished repeatedly, and not just by me.**
**Don’t argue with me. Argue with the Bible where 2 Thess 2 clearly teches you can believe a lie and be damned.
Furthermore, the Bible also says,
Titus 3:10
10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
You’ve been admonished repeatedly, and not just by me.**
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simple_soul
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Did you read my attachment on post #49?
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chaunceygardner
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Hello again. One thing you should realize is that when you don’t include my name on my quotes it looks like YOU are saying them. If God is watching, He might think you are a heretic too! I fixed it above so you couldn’t take credit for my statement. Just trying to protect you.
You keep telling me not to argue, but I thought that’s what these forums were for? And I am not really arguing with you, I am giving you my viewpoint and would certainly like to hear yours. But all you give us is the same thing over and over again.
Here is part of my earlier post. After you read it, I would really like to know what you and anyone else thinks about it:
"I am neither saying the Church is wrong, nor am I advocating that anyone else accept what I believe. It is just my way of understanding our relationship with God, and it works for me. And if my view isn’t correct, I will find out some day. But I can’t imagine that God will punish me for thinking about Him, or for trying to better understand Him, or for meditating on the meaning of our existence within Him. I would think He would be pleased!"
So the questions I would sincerely like your response to are: Why would I be considered a heretic for trying to better understand Him?
Why would God punish me for wondering about the meaning of our existence in the universe He created?
Why is thinking and meditating about my relationship with God bad?
Does thinking that God is alive within all of us, and that our souls existed as part of Him before we were born, a terrible thing? Why?
Thank you.
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Aramis
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Baptism opens us to the essential grace, and adopts us as Christ’s Brothers and Sisters.
as for the OT forefathers… they were under the Old Covenant.
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Formosus
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Perfect amendment to what I said!
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simple_soul
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“This little light of mine I’m gonna let is shine”
OK, I just had to come back to this thread and thank Ghosty and Chaunceygardner for thier analogy with the light bulb. Now I can not get this song out of my head:thumbsup:
I love it!
OK, I just had to come back to this thread and thank Ghosty and Chaunceygardner for thier analogy with the light bulb. Now I can not get this song out of my head:thumbsup:
I love it!
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rinnie
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We can have CHrist in us many different ways
The Sacraments are the best way.
Because the sacraments deposit Grace and Grace is the God in us to do what is right.
The Eucharist is a wonderful Grace that we can get everyday if we want. But in order to be in a state of Grace there can be no sin. Thats the hard part.
The Sacraments are the best way.
Because the sacraments deposit Grace and Grace is the God in us to do what is right.
The Eucharist is a wonderful Grace that we can get everyday if we want. But in order to be in a state of Grace there can be no sin. Thats the hard part.
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simple_soul
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Know that you have said it like this, everything else that has been posted here makes a little more sense.
Thank you and God bless you!
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