I don’t understand how this could be related to the subject of this thread. Are you saying that I will go to Hell?
Hopefully not, I wouldn’t like to suffer for ever, however he creating me would be responsible for that happening, that if I were never born, that would have never happened.
It’s related because the presence of God is everywhere except in hell. Some already have an intense vision of God and others not. It’s dependent on how much we are disposed to have of his fire and light. Those close to him are warmed by that fire and see light in his light. And ironically, perhaps, those farthest from him are burned and blinded by it. And no, I’m not saying anyone in particular is going to hell. That’s for you to decide, not me.
Who says He didn’t offer the Beatific Vision? Scripture says He walked and talked, seemingly quite directly, with Adam and Eve.
Right,It’s related because the presence of God is everywhere except in hell. Some already have an intense vision of God and others not. It’s dependent on how much we are disposed to have of his fire and light. Those close to him are warmed by that fire and see light in his light. And ironically, perhaps, those farthest from him are burned and blinded by it. And no, I’m not saying anyone in particular is going to hell. That’s for you to decide, not me.
This logic is flawed because God shared the Beatific Vision with the angels, yet 1/3 of them turned their back on Him.
exactly!
Is it? for example, I did not choose Hell or Heaven, and if they do exist, they were imposed on us, a bet, a choice to make that we didn’t ask to be a part of it, and God would be responsible for souls that exist in both Heaven and Hell and that they ended up there because they were created.
It’s for the sake of argument, following the logic that If God and Hell existed.Right,
I’m always amazed that people who reject the idea of a good and holy God care deeply about going to hell.
Seems rather inconsistent, at a minimum.
It would be ridiculous and not wise to stand against God if you believe He exists and as He is described in a specific religion, that would not be a win situation, an all powerful being would always win.
Sorry, but have you heard of the Dark Night of the Soul? Job? Just because someone isn’t feeling sensations of God’s presence strongly, doesn’t mean they are far away from God.It’s related because the presence of God is everywhere except in hell. Some already have an intense vision of God and others not. It’s dependent on how much we are disposed to have of his fire and light. Those close to him are warmed by that fire and see light in his light. And ironically, perhaps, those farthest from him are burned and blinded by it. And no, I’m not saying anyone in particular is going to hell. That’s for you to decide, not me.
The dwelling of our Lord is a holy place without the smallest blemish in the environment. We are created to populate it. So that would have us eventually living in his Holy domain. His reason why he doesn’t simply give everyone it’s gifts, is that he desires that we show some allegiance through works and respect; that we prove we can behave and make good choices on earth even under atrocious conditions. That makes sense even on earth. We want lawful people in our neighborhood so that we have a safe environment to raise our families.
God knows your heart. If you choose to ignore the evidence that has been presented to you, then you are choosing not to be with God. But if you were not presented with good evidence, God knows.
Does it?Right,
I’m always amazed that people who reject the idea of a good and holy God care deeply about going to hell.
Seems rather inconsistent, at a minimum.
This seems like a very flawed analogy.