IS GOD Self Aware?

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Bahman said:
He is the sustainer. He should know what you desire to allow it to happen. He on the other hand has no choice since otherwise it would conflict with your interest. So we have two options here: Either we are free hence God is machine, or God is free and we are puppets.
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No. He is the sustainer of life, not the controller of thoughts. Certainly an omnipotent God knows what you desire , but there is no connectedness between desire and outcome.

God is spirit and we are his creation. Choose wisely.
 
Jubilarian said:
No. He is the sustainer of life, not the controller of thoughts. Certainly an omnipotent God knows what you desire , but there is no connectedness between desire and outcome.
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So he is the machine since he doesn’t have control on his act since he has to sustain our needs.
Jubilarian said:
God is spirit and we are his creation. Choose wisely.
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That is not really an argument.
 
Bahman said:
So he is the machine since he doesn’t have control on his act since he has to sustain our needs.

That is not really an argument.
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“Control” is being misapplied here. He has control as the sustainer , but he does not manipulate (control) thoughts. This does not mean he is unable to control thoughts, just that he chooses not to, and leaves us as sentient beings.

A creator does not have to control it’s creation, even if the ability is there to do so.
 
Jubilarian said:
“Control” is being misapplied here. He has control as the sustainer , but he does not manipulate (control) thoughts. This does not mean he is unable to control thoughts, just that he chooses not to, and leaves us as sentient beings.
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The question was whether God can sustain the life such that which oppose to what you desire? Yes or no? Yes, you won’t be free and he is free. No, he is a machine. Both of you as you see cannot be free.
 
Bahman said:
The question was whether God can sustain the life such that which oppose to what you desire? Yes or no? Yes, you won’t be free and he is free. No, he is a machine. Both of you as you see cannot be free.
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Nothing you provide supports you conclusion. Both God and we can be free without any contradiction.
 
Bahman said:
What is the purpose?
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Of what, exactly? Purpose implies intelligence. That is, purpose is defined by a mind. Without mind and will, there’s no such thing as purpose.

If you’re asking what the purpose is of a loving relationship is, you must begin by asking the question, whose purpose are we questioning? If neither God nor man is the determiner of this purpose, then there is no purpose. In that case, all we’re talking about is an accidental machine without any intentional mind at work.

If the purpose is on the part of man, then again, this is nonsensical. This is because man would then be the determiner of the purpose, which implies that God is not, and if God is not, then God is not a willful, intelligent intender. If this is true, then man, in seeking a relationship with an impersonal force, is seeking a fruitless purpose. This is your position.

The Catholic position is that God is a personal being, who is intelligent and willful. Moreover, God created the universe, and all that exists within its limits, and as such, we can infer that God did so with an intention, a purpose.

The Catholic position is that this purpose is that it was His desire that we should share in His eternal, Divine life, to become enter into and participate in His Trinitarian family. That, is essentially the answer to your question about what the purpose of a loving relationship with God is. It is His desire.

When we understand freedom to presuppose power, then we must understand that to act in a way that grants us the greatest power correspondingly grants us the greatest freedom. This is because a power is a potency to act. If one has capacity, they have potency to act, and this is freeing because then we have a greater scope of action than if our capacities are limited.

God’s capacities are unlimited, which is why He is omnipotent. He has all logically possible powers, and thus all logically possible freedoms. God is supremely free.

As our creator, God created us with capacities for action. But such capacities must always be exercised in a logically consistent manner. Let us call the scope of human capacities human nature. Humans cannot, for example, do all the things that angels can do, and angels cannot do all the things that humans can do. This is because these two species have different natures, and thus different sets of capacities, different sets of powers.

When we behave in a way that is contrary to the logical order (or consistency) of our nature, we cause destruction to it. This imposes limits on our capacities. For example, by excessive drinking I destroy my liver, which in turn reduces body function, which reduces my natural capacities, which reduces my freedom.

Behaving in a manner consistent with our natures, consistent with the order and purpose of our being in which and for which God created us, we increase our freedom, because we act in the full powers of our nature.

Thus always acting according to the right and good grants us the greatest freedom, which is consistent with God’s own infinite freedom, and what that ultimately represents is a loving, familial relationship with him.
 
Bahman said:
The question was whether God can sustain the life such that which oppose to what you desire? Yes or no? Yes, you won’t be free and he is free. No, he is a machine. Both of you as you see cannot be free.
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I gave my view to you. God knows your desires and the outcome. That does not mean he created the end result. You created it. Seperate . In this you are free.

God is spirit and eternal, His freedom remains. Both entities are free even though one created the other.
 
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