Is greed an inherent problem for free enterprise?

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How does one decide what if fair? For example, a friend of mine taught at a university in Africa and he was paid about $400 per month by the university. And he was the highest paid person at that university. Was he being paid fairly?
Robert has very personalized opinions about what “fair” should mean and how government and industry should work to eliminating poverty in the world. Of course, it is always his way that should prevail, regardless of the objections that many here voice.
 
How does one decide what if fair? For example, a friend of mine taught at a university in Africa and he was paid about $400 per month by the university. And he was the highest paid person at that university. Was he being paid fairly?
Apples and oranges!
 
In what way are they apples and oranges?
In the one case you’re talking about somebody traveling to a third-world country to work as a university professor (which was nice of him); no exploitation. And in the other case you’re talking about a large corporation going to a third-world county with the intention of exploiting needy people who would otherwise likely starve.

The university likely had no more money to offer; but the large corporations have plenty.
 
In the one case you’re talking about somebody traveling to a third-world country to work as a university professor (which was nice of him); no exploitation. And in the other case you’re talking about a large corporation going to a third-world county with the intention of exploiting needy people who would otherwise likely starve.

The university likely had no more money to offer; but the large corporations have plenty.
If those corporations had not been able to pay lower wages in those nations, they would not have gone there; they would have stayed here and continued to employ us at union wages and the people over there would have starved to death.
 
If those corporations had not been able to pay lower wages in those nations, they would not have gone there; they would have stayed here and continued to employ us at union wages and the people over there would have starved to death.
It’s certainly true that in some countries, a low paying factory job in a factory owned by a U.S. corporation is eagerly sought after because the wage, while meager by U.S. standards is better than what they had before.

In some cases, western pundits have demanded such factories be closed as exploitative, while at the same time the local workers are demanding that they be kept open. Now, if the factory would pay the same wage there that it does in the U.S., it would cause severe distortion, causing its workers to become nearly the richest people in the country. But the key to making a beginning at bringing a nation from extreme poverty to the creation of a middle class starts with a market economy.
 
If those corporations had not been able to pay lower wages in those nations, they would not have gone there; they would have stayed here and continued to employ us at union wages and the people over there would have starved to death.
Come on, union wages compared to the dirt cheap labor costs in third-world countries? The corporations could easily quadruple the third-world workers wages and still not come within a mile away from union wages (plus benefits)!
 
Come on, union wages compared to the dirt cheap labor costs in third-world countries? The corporations could easily quadruple the third-world workers wages and still not come within a mile away from union wages (plus benefits)!
Have you done the research to support this statement or are you assuming things to promote your own ideology?
 
Have you done the research to support this statement or are you assuming things to promote your own ideology?
Foxconn in China, which makes computer parts for various companies around the world, has 1.23 million employees. A raise of $1/hour would cost them over $9million/day.

Thousands apply for summer jobs at Foxconn

I have a lot of agreement with you wrt US and other transnational corporations and the finagling they do. However, your solution is not a good solution. Corporations are large organizations which don’t always do the right thing, but what makes the government any better? Look at our politicians!!!
 
I voted yes as the pressure to maximize short term profits to please shareholders may impinge upon long range planning or encourage engaging in unsafe practices.
 
Foxconn in China, which makes computer parts for various companies around the world, has 1.23 million employees. A raise of $1/hour would cost them over $9million/day.

Thousands apply for summer jobs at Foxconn

I have a lot of agreement with you wrt US and other transnational corporations and the finagling they do. However, your solution is not a good solution. Corporations are large organizations which don’t always do the right thing, but what makes the government any better? Look at our politicians!!!
What are they currently being paid? Is the $261 figure per month? What would the cost be if using union workers here in America?
 
What are they currently being paid? Is the $261 figure per month?
They don’t say if it’s per month or per week, bit it does include room and board (such as it is), so I’d say it works out to $2.50/hr if it’s monthly; $7.75/hr or thereabouts if it’s weekly.
What would the cost be if using union workers here in America?
Labor costs for UAW workers, afaict, were in the $70-$75/hour range BUT this is not what they were paid; this is the addition of all the company’s labors costs divided by the number of current workers, but the costs included retirement payouts.

The contracts were re-negotiated in '07, and have fallen to about $58/hr. It seems that new workers make about $14 (non-assembly line) to $19 (line workers) plus generous health and retirement. I kind of gather that before '07, workers were making between $12 and $18 more per hour–it’s hard to say.
 
I just want to add that I and many others have been troubled about the issue of buying things made under 3rd world conditions, but at the same time knowing that without these jobs which seem substandard to us people would have no money at all.
 
My personal opinion is that free enterprise promotes greed, and that a strong government is needed to circumvent it.
Bob, as you can imagine, a strong government can have many problems of its own. I say this as a moderate with some background in history and political science. I’m a bit leery of Big Brother and Big Sister.

Free enterprise also promotes a desire for power as well as for money. The two together are a heady concoction.

I question whether free enterprise could much exist without the promotion of greed—haven’t there been societies which had no interest in making money? Usually backwards tribes of some sort.
 
My personal opinion is that free enterprise promotes greed, and that a strong government is needed to circumvent it.
“Strong (big?) government”?

Not interested.

The political community has a duty to honor the family, to assist it, and to ensure especially…the right…to free enterprise - CCC 2211
 
My personal opinion is that free enterprise promotes greed, and that a strong government is needed to circumvent it.
National and multi-national corporations via the stock market, and usury promote greed.
The only solution is the dissolution of the stock market and big banks, and the promotion and support for family businesses.
 
My personal opinion is that free enterprise promotes greed, and that a strong government is needed to circumvent it.
I agree in this sense: modern capitalism rests on unlimited acquisitiveness. This is an intrinsically unheatlhy state of society.

However, the government can’t stop people being greedy, and a “strong government” has other problems. So I don’t think the answer is as obvious as you suggest. (I’m essentially coming from a “distributist” point of view–I don’t see a strong central government as the answer, so much as the other side of the problem. But I’d rather have a strong regulatory government than rule by big corporations, so given the essentially messed up situation I come down basically on your side!)

Edwin
 
National and multi-national corporations via the stock market, and usury promote greed.
The only solution is the dissolution of the stock market and big banks, and the promotion and support for family businesses.
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