Is gun-point really insufficient consent?

[sdegutis]

UK population is about 62 million.
In the last UK census 71.6% of all respondents indicated that they were Christians and of that 62% are Anglican, 13.5% Roman Catholic, 6% Presbyterian, 3.4% Methodist with small numbers of other Protestant denominations and the Orthodox church.

For you to state “statistically there must be some” is a great offence and insult to me as a Brit. You really are shockingly ignorant!!

Well I’m sorry. The fact is I really am ignorant. I don’t know any British people and I’m not cultured and I live in a little bubble. And I was taught on college that Europe was one of the fastest growing secular places in the world, and is considered post-Christian now. So I’m ignorant, that’s true. And I’m sorry to cause offense or insult.

 

[thistle]

Well I’m sorry. The fact is I really am ignorant. I don’t know any British people and I’m not cultured and I live in a little bubble. And I was taught on college that Europe was one of the fastest growing secular places in the world, and is considered post-Christian now. So I’m ignorant, that’s true. And I’m sorry to cause offense or insult.

Okay. That’s fine. We should move on otherwise the moderators might close the thread as we have gone off topic.

 

[triumphguy]

I’ve often heard the requirement of “sufficient consent” explained using gun-point as an example, that is, if you commit a grave sin with full knowledge of its sinfulness, at gun-point, it is not mortal. But I recall a saint (there were probably more than one) who was tortured and tempted intentionally by other people (pagans I think) to commit sin, and she refused, which is one of the reasons she is esteemed so highly. Plus Jesus said we should follow Him unto death, so isn’t it still mortal to knowingly commit a grave sin at gun-point?

Sure - if you’re the one holding the gun.

Otherwise… NOT.

That being said - there I some things I could not do, even at gun point: kills my own kids for instance.

However, up until that point there are many things I would do at gun point and not feel at all guilty about.

Looking at what you put for “Religion”, you are possibly the first non-atheist British person I have ever heard of in my life. I basically considered the word British synonymous with the word atheism.

I’m British by birth and upbringing. My Catholic ancestors have lived near where I was born for a thousand years and counting, through plague and persecution, century after century. Catholic members of my family will still live there long after this particular secular age has passed.

So, I’m another “one” for you sgdegutis.