Is Halloween evil?

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No, that won’t work. You’re assuming that it was only my mum that needed to learn. As we’re all (in Australia) new to this festival the kids too would need to know that that’s a special “Don’t knock” signal - made more difficult because at this time of year it gets dark late anyway - so most people don’t have the porch-lights on - sunset today was at 19:22. We’re heading towards summer here!

I’ve not heard anyone mention any kind of signal

You’re looking at the social aspects of this from your own societal viewpoint. It’d be like you explaining to me about how Christmas is a time for snow-shoes and ice-fishing.
I thought you might benefit from the experience of a country that has gotten Halloween down to a science, preventing adults from being annoyed and children from being disappointed and lectured at. If I was mistaken in that thought, my apologies.
 
I thought you might benefit from the experience of a country that has gotten Halloween down to a science, preventing adults from being annoyed and children from being disappointed and lectured at. If I was mistaken in that thought, my apologies.
As noted, telling me to tell my mum won’t work - 'cause the kids won’t know what the signs are. Unless you can conceive of a way of telling the kids of Australia this ‘wisdom’ 😛 then any efforts of my mum would be totally fruitless.

I thought I’d explained the illogic of your suggestion. I must have been mistaken in that thought, my apologies.
 
As noted, telling me to tell my mum won’t work - 'cause the kids won’t know what the signs are. Unless you can conceive of a way of telling the kids of Australia this ‘wisdom’ 😛 then any efforts of my mum would be totally fruitless.
I’ll leave you in charge of adapting our methods to your country. You’ve now got a whole year to get things in place - plenty of time to write the necessary newspaper and magazine articles.
 
Did “pagans” take if from us, or did the candy and greeting card companies take it over?
A lot of the things done today come from a mishmash of ancient Celtic and Roman practices, morphed into a Christian celebration that the Church moved to this particular time which then came into America in a major way with the waves of Irish immigrants in the late 1800s. The greeting cards, etc stuff got hold of it and it became much more like what we see today, a basically secular American holiday. Yes, the name “Halloween” as in “All Hallows Evening” did indeed come from the Catholic Church’s celebrations.

Origins:
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Modern Traditions: history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Generic&content_type_id=714&display_order=1&sub_display_order=2&mini_id=1076

Evolution of a holiday: history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Generic&content_type_id=715&display_order=1&sub_display_order=3&mini_id=1076

Around here, more people are going to parties or organized group events than door to door overall as far as I can tell, due to worries about safety of kids and lack of knowing their neighbors. Also, any mom I know is going to immediately pitch any candy that is not commercially prewrapped due to concerns over safety.
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We live in a very conservative Evangelical and Protestant Christian-oriented area and a lot of churches are going to having “Fall Festivals” on Halloween, and either having kids come dressed as saints or Bible characters or specifying no evil or scary costumes. “Trunk or treating” is also becoming popular, where folks get together in a parking lot, decorate their car trunks and the kids go from car to car. We have some malls, shopping centers, the downtown merchants doing trick or treating at stores as well.

Some groups apparently celebrate “Reformation Day” instead
cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/halloween/reformation_day.aspx

We get together with friends so the kids can go as a group (it’s more fun that way for them), and inevitably we will get someone using this as an opportunity to proselytize to kids by handing out tracts or some such. Once it was Jack Chick tracts (highly inappropriate to hand out to elementary school kids). This year it was a couple of little bags with Scripture and an ad for a church on them meant to be filled with candy—but this family only gave out the empty bags.

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chick.com/seasonal/halloween/tractsuggestions.asp
christiandollarstore.com/scripturecandy.html
christiandollarstore.com/halloween.html

I can deal with the Jesus Loves You pencils–it’s the “You’re Going to Hell” comic book style tracts that I really have a problem with.
 
Christmas is the longest night of the year, traditionally the relighting of the fires occurred on the winter solstice, signaling the return of the sun, which turned into the Birth of the Son.

Easter was a fertility festival called Ostara, that included the symbols of bunnies, eggs and other very virile fertile critters.

I am fantastically Orthodoxly Catholic, but the histories of our holidays have pagan roots 🤷
I’d add christmas to the list. All of which have pagan origin. I’m not telling pagans to stop doing their festivals. Their suppose to do them! Christians are suppose to separate from these festivals, not put their stamp of approval on them.
I think that Steve Ray answered this type of concern best. The Church takes things that are pagan, including pagans, cleans them up, and makes them Christian. There is some resemblance of truth just about everywhere. Remember when St. Paul preached the Gospel to some Greeks, he pointed out the altar to an unknown god. He used that to convert people to become Christians. Just because something is pagan does not mean it is altogether evil. God reveals Himself in all sorts of ways for people to believe in Him and come to Him. And how can you not celebrate Christmas, it is the feast of the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Heaven and earth came together for all of mankind to be reconciled with God. What a glorious day. Not celebrating it could almost be considered that you do not appreciate all that God has done for you.
 
Now, from the perspective of someone in the Neopagan community, Samhain is indeed one of the eight major holidays of the Wheel of the Year (a calendar of holidays that merges primarily holy days from the Celts and the Norse pagan religions). It’s seen as a time to honor our ancestors (not dissimilar to the Hispanic Day of the Dead type celebrations), and a time when the veil between the world of the living and the dead is thinnest. Spiritually, just as the weather gets colder and activities overall take a more inward focus, it’s a beginning of the half of the year when we look more inward, introspective focus.

Yes, Montalban, I know that the seasons are reversed for you. The Wheel of the Year celebrations came out of Northern Europeans traditions and, as made sense, corresponded to the seasonal rhythm there. Some Neopagans in the Southern hemisphere do what seems reasonable to me and switch them around to make sense of their actual environment (here in the Southern US, we do some of that as well, as the underlying reason or meaning for the holidays is different because the timing of our growing season, etc is different than Northern Europe). Some probably simply stick to the form they read about in the books or choose to try to follow the order because of wanting a feeling of conection to the roots of way the holidays were celebrated originally. Much like Christmas celebrations—I understand a lot of folks take to the beach, while some pull out the fake snow, etc?

A lot of the folks I know who follow various Neopagan religions, including Wicca, make a point of separating the Samhain activities from the Halloween activities. Trick or treating is not a religious activity. We aren’t Wiccan, but find the timing of the holidays useful for helping keep us aware of the rhythm of the year. Personally, we had a lot of fun taking our daughter out trick or treating last night, going to Halloween parties with friends over the weekend, carving pumpkins, watching silly monster movies, etc, but it had nothing to do with religion. We don’t do slasher-type or very sexualized costumes, watch those kinds of movies or visit haunted houses/etc with those themes because I consider them inappropriate.

Our religious celebration consists of visiting the graves of my ancestors (because they are local, my husband’s are not) as a remembrance, talking to our daughter about those who came before, and noting the changes in the season. Some groups I have visited have indeed included divination, or something like a New Year celebration of burning slips of paper that represent negative attitudes that you would like to leave behind with the old year—fear of something, procrastination, a negative attitude about or anger with someone, etc.

Similarly, we celebrate Winter Solstice as a separate holiday from the American secular traditions of Christmas and Spring Equinox as something separate from the American secular traditions that have grown up around Easter (we pretty obviously don’t celebrate these as Christian religious holidays since we aren’t Christian). Easter is much easier as it is usually more widely separated from the date of our religious holiday. We usually participate in meals or visiting on Christmas and Easter with family for whom it is a religious holiday because we are invited, but we don’t celebrate them religiously as they aren’t part of our religion.

I am sure there are a lot of folks in the overall Neopagan community who blend the two holidays more than we do. We began doing it to make the distinction clearer for our young child and we like the practice because it is less likely that the religious meanings of the holidays will get subsumed in the commercial secular activities.
 
This link was posted on a thread on Halloween in the Non Catholic Religions section and seemed worth repeating:

catholicexchange.com/node/59511

I particularly liked this paragraph:
“Yet it isn’t the puritanical aspect of Evangelicalism that causes me to worry about a possible descent towards the Jehovah’s Witnesses. It’s the knee-jerk response that Halloween is to be feared solely because it has “pagan origins.” The truth is that a good deal of what all of us do every day has pagan origins. The mathematics we use has pagan origins; our form of government has pagan origins; the very letters with which this sentence is written have pagan origins. In fact, most of the churches from which these anti-paganism sermons issue are, architecturally speaking, Greek revival temples in the “neo-classical style.” So “pagan origins” alone isn’t quite enough to damn Halloween all by itself.”
 
This link was posted on a thread on Halloween in the Non Catholic Religions section and seemed worth repeating:

catholicexchange.com/node/59511

I particularly liked this paragraph:
“Yet it isn’t the puritanical aspect of Evangelicalism that causes me to worry about a possible descent towards the Jehovah’s Witnesses. It’s the knee-jerk response that Halloween is to be feared solely because it has “pagan origins.” The truth is that a good deal of what all of us do every day has pagan origins. The mathematics we use has pagan origins; our form of government has pagan origins; the very letters with which this sentence is written have pagan origins. In fact, most of the churches from which these anti-paganism sermons issue are, architecturally speaking, Greek revival temples in the “neo-classical style.” So “pagan origins” alone isn’t quite enough to damn Halloween all by itself.”
I couldn’t agree more strongly. And the ultimate result of a group of people attempting to ban every pagan influence (as opposed to actual pagan theology) from their faith life is a faith life that is too sterile to actually nourish a human being. It is the spiritual equivalent of salted earth. Because those “pagan influences” are actually just reflections (imperfect, but still profound) of what it means to be human.
 
Hello,
I couldn’t agree more strongly. And the ultimate result of a group of people attempting to ban every pagan influence (as opposed to actual pagan theology) from their faith life is a faith life that is too sterile to actually nourish a human being. It is the spiritual equivalent of salted earth. Because those “pagan influences” are actually just reflections (imperfect, but still profound) of what it means to be human.
Not concerned so much with pagan origins, but current pagan and demonic practices in the holidays.
 
Hello,

Not concerned so much with pagan origins, but current pagan and demonic practices in the holidays.
What are “pagan and demonic practices”? Dressing up as Snow White? Receiving candy? Carving pumpkins?
 
Hello,
What are “pagan and demonic practices”? Dressing up as Snow White? Receiving candy? Carving pumpkins?
The underlying principle and practice of the current Halloween celebration is one of paying homage to satan. Cue horror movies, ghouls and goblins, witches and other things that go bump in the night.
 
What are “pagan and demonic practices”? Dressing up as Snow White? Receiving candy? Carving pumpkins?
Anything that preaches live now, die later. For instance . . .

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Hello,

The underlying principle and practice of the current Halloween celebration is one of paying homage to satan. Cue horror movies, ghouls and goblins, witches and other things that go bump in the night.
Please do some research and demonstrate how any of the examples you just gave are in any way intended to give homage to Satan.

Catholic sources are preferred.

Peace,
Dante
 
Despite anything about the past or evilness that is perceived,

evil is not the intent of those celebrating halloween, trick-or-treating, bobbing for apples, dressing up in all sorts of costumes.

It seems a little narrow minded to think that celebrating a fun and very americanized holiday is evil when it’s clear that there is not evil intended by those celebrating it…we’re not talking about anything all that serious. God knows their thoughts and I’m sure that’s what he’s more worried about.
 
I’ll leave you in charge of adapting our methods to your country. You’ve now got a whole year to get things in place - plenty of time to write the necessary newspaper and magazine articles.
Right! 👍 That sounds very practical - forgetting of course the seasonal differences regarding lighting I mentioned, as well.
 
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