Is having a miserable life a requirement for us to get to heaven?

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I am tired of misery. I want to be happy. I think happiness is natural to humans. It cannot be bad to want to be happy.
 
Joy is an acceptance of ourselves and knowing that we are following God’s will rather than our own.
 
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I think suffering could be a time of great rejoicing. My Baptist grandmother suffered quite badly, but she never let it get to her because she KNEW she was going to heaven. (I am not saying I agree with all her theology). but I don’t recall her ever thinking that the suffering wasn’t worth it. I was not there when she died, but my mother was, and what she told me was heart wrenching. But we suffer for the sake of the kingdom. Unite your will to that of Christ. Christ suffered, and we shall suffer as well.
 
No, being happy doesn’t conflict with being a Christian. In the past 5 years, I am the happiest I’ve been in my entire life even with life’s speed-bumps along the way because I’m finally a member of Christ’s church.

If I encounter a problem, I usually deal with it immediately or if it’s a bigger problem I draw up a plan (with or without assistance) and follow it. I have no problem asking my Priest or a professional for help or coming on here and asking for advice.

Dealing with death, illness, unemployment, failure etc is a part of life, I’m blessed to have had parents who taught me how to deal with disappointment and failure in a positive and logical manner and not to wallow in it or let it overwhelm me.
 
Very few have the strength of faith or the moral and physical courage of the Saints. It’s not required of everyone.
Yes, the Lord knows where we are in our spiritual journey, and He knows the capacity He gave us.

In following Him, He will draw us closer to Him according to his way for us.
 
It seems that the only way to get to heaven is to carry the cross (today’s Gospel). It seems to me that one is not really a Christian if one is not suffering. Suffering / “the cross” is a trademark of authentic Christianity.

I read a lot of the lives of the Saints. That being said, most of the Saints had painful and challenging lives. Many died as martyrs. That being said, is having a miserable life a requirement for us to get into Heaven? Ironically, most of them also had joy. Unlike me I complain about my crosses.

If we are happy, is that an indication that we are not carrying our cross well enough?

Does God want us to completely forgo happiness on Earth to have eternal happiness with him in Heaven?

I just want to chill, be content, to relax and be happy in this world as well; will I not be good enough for Heaven then?
Man’s justice-that which pleases God-is defined by the term “love”. The more we fulfill the greatest commandments, placing love of God above all else, above all created things, and love of neighbor next to Him, the nearer we are to our eternal goal. This justice has always been God’s intention for man, and with the New Covenant He brings forth the grace to help us accomplish it. Anything else is secondary to that**. “At the evening of life we shall we judged on our love”**. St John of the Cross
 
Still not understanding joy. Given I only have vague memories of happiness, on which many people use to compare or explain joy, and can only feel pleasure, can you explain it as you would to a child?
 
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Still not understanding joy. Given I only have vague memories of happiness, on which many people use to compare or explain joy, and can only feel pleasure, can you explain it as you would to a child?
Hmm, well, all I can think of is this: Our faith teaches us that God loves you, and, therefore, He can only give you what is good for you. If you keep this in your heart and mind whenever “good” or “bad” things happen to you, then you always hope for goodness in every event in your life: past, present, and future. And hope is the requirement for spiritual joy.

“Rejoicing in hope.” - Romans 12:12.

You will find out that this joy is invincible; that is, whatever happens to you, this hope is always alive, and the joy from this hope is always there for you.

“Rejoice in the Lord always; again, I say, rejoice!” - Philippians 4:4

You will find therefore the freedom to do what is good no matter the odds. This is called “the Liberty of the Saints”, the one true Freedom. It is also called “good will”, and this will give you the perfection of joy, which is peace.

“Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of good will.” - Luke2:14
 
Still not understanding joy. Given I only have vague memories of happiness, on which many people use to compare or explain joy, and can only feel pleasure, can you explain it as you would to a child?
No one is joyful in this world relative to the joy in heaven, relative to the joy we were meant for and desire IOW. For myself, in my rare moments of greater humility, where I genuinely care less what the world thinks of me, is when joy naturally blossoms. It’s hard though-because our egos are very over-sensitive, and people are always trying to push our buttons. And we’re part of it too-we’re always comparing ourselves and wondering if we should be different, or better, etc, etc, rarely truly satisfied with who we are. We never have too little pride IMO. 🙂
 
It seems that the only way to get to heaven is to carry the cross (today’s Gospel). It seems to me that one is not really a Christian if one is not suffering. Suffering / “the cross” is a trademark of authentic Christianity.

I read a lot of the lives of the Saints. That being said, most of the Saints had painful and challenging lives. Many died as martyrs. That being said, is having a miserable life a requirement for us to get into Heaven? Ironically, most of them also had joy. Unlike me I complain about my crosses.

If we are happy, is that an indication that we are not carrying our cross well enough?

Does God want us to completely forgo happiness on Earth to have eternal happiness with him in Heaven?

I just want to chill, be content, to relax and be happy in this world as well; will I not be good enough for Heaven then?
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Still not understanding joy. Given I only have vague memories of happiness, on which many people use to compare or explain joy, and can only feel pleasure, can you explain it as you would to a child?
C.S.Lewis wrote: Joy “must be sharply distinguished both from Happiness and Pleasure. Joy (in my sense) has indeed one characteristic, and one only, in common with them; the fact that anyone who has experienced it will want it again … I doubt whether anyone who has tasted it would ever, if both were in his power, exchange it for all the pleasures in the world. But then Joy is never in our power and Pleasure often is.”
It’s from this site, a newly discovered letter from Lewis.

I think of joy somewhat differently: for me it’s the solid knowledge undergirding everything that happens, that we are loved by God and he is working to bring us to heaven to be happy with him forever.

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I have personally been suffering with illness for 30 years now … and things are really getting worse and worse lately … I ask for prayers in the prayer forum … and I pray myself … but I never specifically ask Christ to take this cross from me … as I do believe that we have to carry our Cross the best way we can … I am far from ever being a Saint, so I do not carry my Cross perfectly … and sometimes I rebel against having to deal with so much illness … but when push comes to shove, and things get really bad, I tend to look to the Lord and say “Your will be done” … that is when I finally have peace.

However, that does not really answer your question … and I do not believe that one has to have a miserable life to get to heaven … one must bear whatever crosses our Lord decides we should bear as best we can … and one should enjoy life like a little child does … the Lord gives us all and wants us to embrace all.
 
Suffering is a subjective term. Depends on your definition of suffering. Catholics in some African and middle eastern countries view suffering as starving to death and facing death/ persecution for practicing their faith. For them being able to feed their children and practice their faith safely is “not suffering”.

When I start thinking woe is me, I think of these people and my problems don’t feel so big or insurmountable. I consider myself blessed, even when we went through a difficult patch when my husband was unemployed for 8 months. We live in a wealthy country, we have universal healthcare and he was assisted by the government to obtain a job.

That’s not to negate or invalidate anyone’s suffering, but for me putting my “problems” in a wider perspective makes it more bearable.
Saying “You shouldn’t be sad because some people have it worse than you” is like saying “You shouldn’t be happy because some people have it better.”
 
“If we are in relation with him who does not die, who is Life itself and Love itself, then we are in life. Then we “live”.”

~ Pope Benedict XVI (Spe Salvi)

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(such is not per se a matter of the emotions…tis deeper that such …though it can can does effect the emotions too at times…Christian joy though can exist even in great suffering…)

“The joy of the gospel fills the hearts and lives of all who encounter Jesus.”

“I invite all Christians, everywhere, at this very moment, to a renewed personal encounter with Jesus Christ, or at least an openness to letting him encounter them; I ask all of you to do this unfailingly each day. No one should think that this invitation is not meant for him or her, since “no one is excluded from the joy brought by the Lord”.”

“The Lord does not disappoint those who take this risk; whenever we take a step towards Jesus, we come to realize that he is already there, waiting for us with open arms. Now is the time to say to Jesus: “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. How good it feels to come back to him whenever we are lost! Let me say this once more: God never tires of forgiving us; we are the ones who tire of seeking his mercy. Christ, who told us to forgive one another “seventy times seven” (Mt 18:22) has given us his example: he has forgiven us seventy times seven. Time and time again he bears us on his shoulders. No one can strip us of the dignity bestowed upon us by this boundless and unfailing love. With a tenderness which never disappoints, but is always capable of restoring our joy, he makes it possible for us to lift up our heads and to start anew. Let us not flee from the resurrection of Jesus, let us never give up, come what will. May nothing inspire more than his life, which impels us onwards!”…

“I realize of course that joy is not expressed the same way at all times in life, especially at moments of great difficulty. Joy adapts and changes, but it always endures, even as a flicker of light born of our personal certainty that, when everything is said and done, we are infinitely loved.”

~ Pope Francis (The Joy of the Gospel)

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"Moreover, our radical belonging to Christ and the fact that “we are in him” must imbue in us an attitude of total trust and immense joy. In short, we must indeed exclaim with St Paul: “If God is for us, who is against us?” (Rom 8: 31). And the reply is that nothing and no one “will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Rom 8: 39). Our Christian life, therefore, stands on the soundest and safest rock one can imagine. And from it we draw all our energy, precisely as the Apostle wrote: “I can do all things in him who strengthens me” (Phil 4: 13).

Therefore, let us face our life with its joys and sorrows supported by these great sentiments that Paul offers to us. By having an experience of them we will realize how true are the words the Apostle himself wrote: “I know whom I have believed, and I am sure that he is able to guard until that Day what has been entrusted to me”; in other words, until the Day (II Tm 1: 12) of our definitive meeting with Christ the Judge, Saviour of the world and our Saviour."

~ Pope Benedict XVI

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“Gaudete in Domino semper - Rejoice in the Lord always (Phil 4: 4).”

“Christian joy thus springs from this certainty: God is close, he is with me, he is with us, in joy and in sorrow, in sickness and in health, as a friend and faithful spouse. And this joy endures, even in trials, in suffering itself. It does not remain only on the surface; it dwells in the depths of the person who entrusts himself to God and trusts in him.”

~ Pope Benedict XVI

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“… there is one great Friend, who is the author of the joy of all and who fills our hearts with a joy that surpasses all other joys and lasts a lifetime: he is Jesus.”

~ Pope Benedict XVI

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]“Dear friends, today too the Risen One enters our homes and our hearts, even when, at times, the doors are closed. He enters giving joy and peace, life and hope, gifts we need for our human and spiritual rebirth. Only he can roll away those stones from the tombs in which all too often people seal themselves off from their own feelings, their own relationships, their own behaviour; stones that sanction death: division, enmity, resentment, envy, diffidence, indifference. Only he, the Living One, can give meaning to existence and enable those who are weary and sad, downhearted and drained of hope, to continue on their journey. This was the experience of the two disciples who were on their way from Jerusalem to Emmaus on Easter Day (cf. Lk 24:13-35). They were talking about Jesus but their sad looks (cf. v. 17), expressed their disappointed hopes, uncertainty and melancholy. They had left their homeland to follow Jesus with his friends and had discovered a new reality in which forgiveness and love were no longer only words but had a tangible effect on life. Jesus of Nazareth had made all things new, he had transformed their life. But now he was dead and it all seemed to be over.”

~ Pope Benedict XVI

"With Jesus’ arrival the disciple’s situation of anguish changes radically. He enters through closed doors, he stands in their midst and gives them the peace that reassures: “Peace to you” (Jn 20:19b). It is a common greeting but it now acquires new significance because it brings about an inner change; it is the Easter greeting that enables the disciples to overcome all fear. The peace that Jesus brings is the gift of salvation that he had promised in his farewell discourses: “peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid” (Jn 14:27).

On this day of the Resurrection he gives it in fullness and for the community it becomes a source of joy, the certainty of victory, and security in relying on God. “Let not your hearts be troubled”, (Jn 14:1), do not be afraid, he also says to us."

~ Pope Benedict XVI

“In Jerusalem they hear the news of Jesus’ Resurrection and, in turn, they recount their own experience, on fire with love for the Risen One who has opened their hearts to an uncontainable joy. As St Peter says, they were “born anew to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (cf. 1 Pet 1:3). Indeed, the enthusiasm of faith, love for the community, the need to communicate the Good News was reborn within them. The Teacher is risen and with him all life is reborn; witnessing to this event becomes an irrepressible need for them.”

~ Pope Benedict XVI

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"“Gaudete in Domino semper”, St Paul wrote: “Rejoice in the Lord always” (Phil 4:4). True joy is not a fruit of “divertirsi” [having a good time] understood in the etymological sense of the word di-vertere (di-version), that is, shirking the commitments of life and one’s responsibilities.

True joy is linked to something deeper. Of course, in the all too often frenetic pace of daily life it is important to find time for rest and relaxation, but true joy is linked to our relationship with God. Those who have encountered Christ in their own lives feel a serenity and joy in their hearts that no one and no situation can take from them. St Augustine understood this very well; in his quest for truth, peace and joy, after seeking them in vain in many things he concluded with his famous words: “and our heart is restless until it rests in God” (cf. Confessions, I, 1, 1).

True joy is not merely a passing state of mind or something that can be achieved with the person’s own effort; rather it is a gift, born from the encounter with the living Person of Jesus and, making room within ourselves, from welcoming the Holy Spirit who guides our lives. It is the invitation of the Apostle Paul who says: “May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thess 5:23)."

~ Pope Benedict XVI

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The answer is yes. We are required to endure horrific suffering, either here and in purgatory to get to heaven.

The cross is mandatory. There is no way around it. We must suffer.

Happiness is not for this world, it is only for the next world - if one makes it.
 
Saying “You shouldn’t be sad because some people have it worse than you” is like saying “You shouldn’t be happy because some people have it better.”
I never said that. Stop telling me what you think I said and read my post again. :mad: Specifically…“That’s not to negate or invalidate anyone’s suffering”
 
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