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Zhenia
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One problem I would have with the TLM in local parishes is that the other sacraments are still novus ordo. Anyone else have this problem?
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TrueLight
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Do you mostly mean baptisms, confirmations and weddings? I asked my priest if I would be able to be confirmed in the old rite and he said it wasn’t guaranteed but it was possible.
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Jim_Dandy
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If there are priests of the FSSP available, the sacraments are all in Latin.
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TheDoctor
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Forgive my confusion, but how are the sacraments of the Church a problem?
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jpjd
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You asked “Is having the TLM enough?”.
What do you mean by “enough”? Enough what?
What do you mean by “enough”? Enough what?
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TimothyH
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I think we need to be very careful about our intent before we begin to approach God’s mercy seat.
As a beggar, I’m not about to demand, or even suggest to God that the sacraments should be provided to me according to my own desires.
Yea, I’d like that forgiveness and mercy in Latin please. And can I get some fries with that?
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As a beggar, I’m not about to demand, or even suggest to God that the sacraments should be provided to me according to my own desires.
Yea, I’d like that forgiveness and mercy in Latin please. And can I get some fries with that?
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Allegra
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I love it!I think we need to be very careful about our intent before we begin to approach God’s mercy seat.
As a beggar, I’m not about to demand, or even suggest to God that the sacraments should be provided to me according to my own desires.
Yea, I’d like that forgiveness and mercy in Latin please. And can I get some fries with that?
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prettiefly
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We have been very fortunate in the past to have all of the Sacraments available - including Confirmation. If you are fortunate enough to attend or participate in the Sacraments in this way, you can see the difference. For example, Baptism is done very differently, not just because of the Latin, it is far more involved - very beautiful. 
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rben20
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People need to stop pitting the OF against the EF just because someone asks something about the TLM. The poster is simply implying they would like all the sacraments done according to the old rite, not just the Mass. Wouldn’t that be ideal? I agree but considering the Church today it is a stretch. There are however priests especially of the apostolic life who specifically do all the sacraments the way it was done before the 1970s. It isn’t enough no but we cannot be picky and make do with what our Priests can do for us. Continue to pray for the restoration of the old rite and have patience with Rome.
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ConstantineTG
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Well, I think the Roman Catholic faith will become schizophrenic by having two identities. I say just do all the Sacramental Rites in the “old rite” but make the vernacular optional. Problem solved.
And the OF and EF shouldn’t be either or. Make it EF for all parishes during Advent, Christmas, Lent and Easter on Sundays. Then OF all the other days. Also EF for solemnities outside those 4 important liturgical seasons.
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TrueLight
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Nope.
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ConstantineTG
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See, threads like this are born of the “I want it this way, I want it that way” mentality by giving people two “options” within one liturgical tradition (or rite). Where’s the unity in our Church?
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TrueLight
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You have a whole different rite. So why can’t there be two forms?
I know the EF and OF are two forms of the same rite but sometimes they seem to me like two different rites.
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ConstantineTG
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The problem is in the Byzantine Rite, there is only one way to do the Sacraments. There are two Liturgies which we use for all, its either St. John’s or St. Basil’s Liturgy on a specific day. There is no St. John’s only group and a St. Basil’s only group. Everyone gets a taste of both, assuming they go to church on the 10 days St. Basil’s is used. Now you go to other rites, its the same thing.
You are right though, more and more they are becoming, at least on the surface, like two different rites. Because a group who prefers one never gets exposed to the other. Either make the boundaries more prominent that there is a logical division of traditions, or mingle both for all.
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TrueLight
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You’re right. Aye, Aye, Aye!
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Zhenia
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Its not the language (Latin) that I’m referring to, although it would be nice if it was all in Latin. I’m referring to the changes that were made in the administration of the other sacraments (and yes, changes were made other than just the language).
I suppose if a person wanted to be fully Traditional, they could only be involved with the FSSP or SSPX chapels?
I suppose if a person wanted to be fully Traditional, they could only be involved with the FSSP or SSPX chapels?
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TrueLight
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I met with a priest today and without going into details I will probably not get “Traditional” instruction because it is a mixed form parish.
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Zhenia
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The priest who instructed me (one on one) in the 1970s used the old Baltimore Catechism, even though the parish wanted him to use this weird one with modernistic drawings on the cover…I think it was called The Catechism for Now or something like that.
Maybe what you can do is get a Baltimore Catechism and study it independently?
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ConstantineTG
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And doesn’t this validate my earlier point
Can’t we just be instructed in the Roman Catholic faith without there being sub distinctions? I mean, I can understand religious orders and communities having different rites, but thats because their spirituality is different from us and even among each other. As lay people we should have one rite in one expression.
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TrueLight
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It does validate your point.And doesn’t this validate my earlier point
Can’t we just be instructed in the Roman Catholic faith without there being sub distinctions? I mean, I can understand religious orders and communities having different rites, but thats because their spirituality is different from us and even among each other. As lay people we should have one rite in one expression.
However, if all I attend is the EF and follow the 1962 missal and say all the old prayers and try to follow some of the pre-Vatican rules (this is not to say there is anything wrong with not doing that), then of course it would be nice to have my sacraments in the old way.
And it would be nice to be taught by someone with a similar outlook.
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