Is Heaven an already existent higher-ordered world that can put earthly science to shame?

[rbiaca]

However, on the medical front: I would say over 80% of the doctors acknowledge that God has guided their hand to make healing possible…

I think it’s more like 79.89% of all doctors. In any event, could you please cite the source of this statistic.

Thanks in advance!

 

[j1akey]

As I stated before, Alexander Graham Bell gave credit to God for his invention.

Samuel B. Mores also grave credit when he sent his first telegram from Baltimore to Washington…

Again, this doesn’t invalidate science in any way. Many people give credit to god for all kinds of things that they did on their own. It doesn’t make it true that some invisible super being is guiding them.

The early inventors were not so full of pride as maybe our current generation of inventors / scientist…

Early inventors were just like anyone during that time, really superstitious.

However, on the medical front: I would say over 80% of the doctors acknowledge that God has guided their hand to make healing possible… Other doctors will say “I am just a binder of wounds, God is the healer”

Has there been a study on how many doctors say this or has it been documented in some way or is it just a number someone made up somewhere? I’d like to see it personally. Either way, a doctors belief or non-belief one way or the other doesn’t mean anything when it comes to invalidating science.

God is the creator of all… He created humans and gave them a gift… Some acknowledge where the gift came from, others don’t…

And this is based on what again?

 

[Robert_Sock]

Your comment doesn’t make any sense. Science is the very reason that technology exists, not the other way around.

Without the science, there would be technology.

Without science, you wouldn’t have a computer or the internet, in which to condemn science in an online forum.

I believe earthly science is a scam apart from God. Technology is different for me, and I marvel at “simple” things like the packaging of computer chips. Again, who else besides God has the innate wit manufacture these things?

 

[Orogeny]

Technology is different for me, and I marvel at “simple” things like the packaging of computer chips. Again, who else besides God has the innate wit manufacture these things?

Are you claiming that God manufactures the packaging for computer chips?

Peace

Tim

 

[rbiaca]

I believe earthly science is a scam apart from God.

Polio vaccines are a scam?

Insulin is a scam?

The computer and every component involved with your ability to electronically communicate and condemn science, is a scam?

I marvel at “simple” things like the packaging of computer chips. Again, who else besides God has the innate wit manufacture these things?

Then please, shut off your computer and stare at the packaging in which it arrived.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Are you claiming that God manufactures the packaging for computer chips?

Peace

Tim

Certainly not! God is pure spirit. All I’m saying is that all knowledge starts and end with God. The packaging of computer chips is something a lot of people take for granted. I have to wonder how many engineers can actually do this the right way, the first time. And figuring all the things that get massed produced these days, there must be a million-and-one engineers hard at work somewhere. Take a close look around you at all the individual items that need to get designed and built using specialized machinery. Are there enough engineers to make it all happen? I don’t thing so, and it’s a mystery to me how it all comes about.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Polio vaccines are a scam?

Insulin is a scam?

The computer and every component involved with your ability to electronically communicate and condemn science, is a scam?



Then please, shut off your computer and stare at the packaging in which it arrived.

No, earthy science is a scam in that all knowledge belongs to God alone.

 

[Orogeny]

Certainly not! God is pure spirit.

Well then clearly someone else besides God has the innate wit manufacture these things.

All I’m saying is that all knowledge starts and end with God.

Then that would include science and engineering.

The packaging of computer chips is something a lot of people take for granted. I have to wonder how many engineers can actually do this the right way, the first time.

Why do you wonder that?

And figuring all the things that get massed produced these days, there must be a million-and-one engineers hard at work somewhere.

Do you have an issue with engineers?

Take a close look around you at all the individual items that need to get designed and built using specialized machinery. Are there enough engineers to make it all happen? I don’t thing so, and it’s a mystery to me how it all comes about.

Well, let me clear it up for you. There are plenty of engineers around to design and build the specialized machinery needed to make all this stuff. God doesn’t design or make any of it.

Peace

Tim

 

[Orogeny]

No, earthy science is a scam in that all knowledge belongs to God alone.

Is science from the devil?

Peace

Tim

 

[rbiaca]

Take a close look around you at all the individual items that need to get designed and built using specialized machinery. Are there enough engineers to make it all happen? I don’t thing so, and it’s a mystery to me how it all comes about.

You believe that God, in his supernatural omnipotence, is responsible for most of the manufacturing in the world?

Like a businessman wakes up one morning and suddenly finds a widget producing factory in a field that was empty the day before.

 

[rbiaca]

No, earthy science is a scam in that all knowledge belongs to God alone.

Let us be specific;

How is the polio vaccine a scam?

The polio vaccine, a product of the scientific method, does exactly what it is supposed to do. It prevents people from contracting a debilitating disease.

Now, please explain the scam in the science that brought us this vaccine.

Part 2;

Please explain the scam behind the science that allowed for the creation of modern printing presses, which have then allowed for the mass production of the Holy Bible.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Let us be specific;

How is the polio vaccine a scam?

The polio vaccine, a product of the scientific method, does exactly what it is supposed to do. It prevents people from contracting a debilitating disease.

Now, please explain the scam in the science that brought us this vaccine.

Part 2;

Please explain the scam behind the science that allowed for the creation of modern printing presses, which have then allowed for the mass production of the Holy Bible.

I already stated answers for these questions.

The scam is in thinking we are inventing something that God wants to have happen. God uses us as instruments.

 

[j1akey]

I already stated answers for these questions.

The scam is in thinking we are inventing something that God wants to have happen. God uses us as instruments.

This is really a non-argument to state your case. It doesn’t matter what anyone else says you’ll just invoke God.

Unfortunately by doing that you’re not really backing up your case with anything other than an faith based unknown.

 

[rbiaca]

The scam is in thinking we are inventing something that God wants to have happen. God uses us as instruments.

By your logic, man only creates that what God desires.

That must mean that God wanted man to create thumb screws, the rack, water boarding and countless other devices used in torture.

Your suggesting that when man invented all sorts of chemical weapons, he invented only what God wanted to happen.

Same goes for the Atom bomb.

Your logic also clearly means, that when Nazi Germany invented the gas chameber, it was really God using man has His instrument.

Afterall, in every example I gave, man is the inventor of each horror. Yet, you clearly claim that man cannot take any credit for his inventions;

‘The scam is in thinking we are inventing something that God wants to have happen. God uses us as instruments’

You care to explain why God would want to use man has his instrument so that Sarin Gas could be invented?

This is your belief…so do tell.

 

[Robert_Sock]

By your logic, man only creates that what God desires.

That must mean that God wanted man to create thumb screws, the rack, water boarding and countless other devices used in torture.

Your suggesting that when man invented all sorts of chemical weapons, he invented only what God wanted to happen.

Same goes for the Atom bomb.

Your logic also clearly means, that when Nazi Germany invented the gas chameber, it was really God using man has His instrument.

Afterall, in every example I gave, man is the inventor of each horror. Yet, you clearly claim that man cannot take any credit for his inventions;

‘The scam is in thinking we are inventing something that God wants to have happen. God uses us as instruments’

You care to explain why God would want to use man has his instrument so that Sarin Gas could be invented?

This is your belief…so do tell.

We live in a world of good and evil. God is good and Satan is evil.

God allows freewill in which he allows Satan to enter the picture and tempt us towards evil.

This thread is really going off topic in that trivializing God and all his knowledge. Man as a scientist is a scam!

 

[j1akey]

Robert Sock:

We live in a world of good and evil. God is good and Satan is evil.

God allows freewill in which he allows Satan to enter the picture and tempt us towards evil.

This thread is really going off topic in that trivializing God and all his knowledge. Man as a scientist is a scam!

If that’s the case, at the risk of offending you, I hope your views stay out of our education because this kind of thinking does nothing to help with the progression of our society in any way. Once a society believes this sort of thing then that’s the end of it, it’s happened before and apparently we don’t learn from history.

 

[Will_B]

Lets make this simple…

God gives man the knowledge to create (we are made in his image)… Dogs, Cats, and other animals to not create… If I’m wrong on this point, please let me know.

God’s intent is to use his creation and those things invented by man for the benefit of mankind. This is why we need to ask for God’s wisdom…

Atomic energy can be used for both good and evil…

Anesthesia can be used for good or evil…

Mankind can take good and use it for evil…

For those who believe no explanation is necessary.

For those who do not believe no explanation is possible.

 

[rbiaca]

We live in a world of good and evil. God is good and Satan is evil.

God allows freewill in which he allows Satan to enter the picture and tempt us towards evil.

This thread is really going off topic in that trivializing God and all his knowledge. Man as a scientist is a scam!

You made it very clear that the Lord alone is responsible for all of mans inventions;

"The scam is in thinking we are inventing something that God wants to have happen. God uses us as instruments. "

When I presented you with various examples that involve the invention of things of an intrinsically evil nature, you seemingly changed your entire philosophy by stating;

’God allows freewill in which he allows Satan to enter the picture and tempt us towards evil.'

You cannot have it both ways. You first say that God alone is responsible for all the man invents, and then you throw Satan in the mix. According to your initial statement, Satan has absolutely no control over what man does or does not invent.

For you clearly stated that man only invents that what God wants to have invented.

Your changing your position on the fly and your doing a very poor job at it.

 

[rbiaca]

God gives man the knowledge to create (we are made in his image)… Dogs, Cats, and other animals to not create… If I’m wrong on this point, please let me know.

Animals create nests, burrows, colonies, traps and some primates even fashion tools.

 

[Robert_Sock]

You made it very clear that the Lord alone is responsible for all of mans inventions;

"The scam is in thinking we are inventing something that God wants to have happen. God uses us as instruments. "

When I presented you with various examples that involve the invention of things of an intrinsically evil nature, you seemingly changed your entire philosophy by stating;

’God allows freewill in which he allows Satan to enter the picture and tempt us towards evil.'

You cannot have it both ways. You first say that God alone is responsible for all the man invents, and then you throw Satan in the mix. According to your initial statement, Satan has absolutely no control over what man does or does not invent.

For you clearly stated that man only invents that what God wants to have invented.

Your changing your position on the fly and your doing a very poor job at it.

I believe in the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. I never meant to deviate from her teachings.

I’m not sure exactly how God imparts his knowledge to us but I feel certain that all earthly knowledge flows from Him.

My main point is that:
Heaven is an already existent higher-ordered world that can put earthly science to shame! This has tremendous implications. I’m in awe! It’s this awe that I want to share with people.