B]How ancient are the Vedas?
according to Hindu beliefs, the vedas are beyond human valour. They are eternal. The Vedas were there before creation
How can that happen? After all, there was a man who wrote the Vedas. The invention of paper is not more than 400 years old. Therefore, the vedas cannot be more than 400-500 years old.
The Vedas are available on Bhoj-patras and Tad-Patras, before the invention of paper
Therefore, your thinking is not correct.
**The tradition of writing literature on Bhoj-patras and Tad-Patras is of 1000-15000 years old BC. Therefore, the Vedas would also be a fifteen hundred years old creation. Many ancient scholars acknowledge this fact. **
The scholars, who have collected mantras on Bhojpatra and Tad-Patra, have mentioned their names and dates of their writing. which are more than three to four thousand years B.C. But the Vedas existed even before that. This has also been wriiten by themselves.
Maharashi Parashar, who lived thousands of years ago wrote in verse 21 chapter one of Parashar Smriti;
Na Kashchid Vedakata cha, Vedam smritya chaturmukhah Tataiva dharman smarati manu kalpantare antare
No man is the writer of the Vedas. Four faced Brahma too, is not the writer of the Vedas because Brahmaji himself remmbers the Vedas before he brings them out. In the same way, at the end of every Kalpa Manu remebers dharmas as Brahma.
Indian Scripture says;
(Rishayon Mantra drishtarah na tu kartarah)
All the rishis who lived in INdia, the rishis who discovered different mantras, the rishis whose names are associated with Veda-mantras–all thos ancient rishes are not the rachayitas (creators) of the Vedamantra. On the contrary, they are called mantradrishta rishis (rishis are basically seers, those who see into the future, inton the unknown) because the Veda-mantras existed prior to them.
The Vedas survivied because of the tradition Shruti (hearing). Therefore, the Vedas are called Shruti also.
Since when did the Vedas exist? It is very difficult to answer that question. But certainly they came into existence when there was neither Jesus Christ nor Moses. Neither Englishmen were there, nor any rich and developed culture existed in India. Therefore, none, Muslim, English, Christian or any external historian or scientist is capable or competent to provide any authentic evidence regarding scriptures written by our rishis; and nor will the dharmaparayan Hindu public will listen to any unreasonable logic or argument.
Famous German Scholar, Max Mueller has accepted 6000 BC. as the time of the origin of the Vedas. Keith, Baber and many other scholars have proved the Vedas to be 6 to 8 thousand years B.C. old, using historical and geographical evidences along with their other scientific factors, rejecting the fact of their being apaurushey. Is the fact based logic of the foreign scholars wrong? If so what are the bases of your calling it wrong?
The foreign process is tring to find historocity in the Vedas and trying to prove their ancientness this basis. They have a prejudice of declaring their own civilsation-culture as ancient at the back of their mind and heart. Even so, all Indian and Foreign historians, geographists, and the so-called scientists accept this fact undisputedly with one voice that the RigVeda is the most ancient book of the world. In a rough and ready manner this is the biggest victory for the devotees of Indian culture.
The Indian process forges ahad confirming the apaurusheyata of the Vedas, and their basees are astrological calculations, geographical and historical background. The foreigners have nothing to refute it. According to Indian calculation some portions of the Brahmin-granthas are 2200 years old BC.
Asserting the difference of prakaran (refrence), episode or subject matter, Lokmanya Tilak, Pandit Umesh Chandra Vidyaratna, Narayan Bhavan Ram Pavni and Avinash Chandra Das have proved thaat the ascertainment of time (period) (arrived at) regarding the Vedas by the westerners is wrong. The Vedas belong to the period prior to ice age and are lakhs of years old.
The kind of labour that Lokmanya Tilak has put in determining the period of the Vedas has not been done by anyone else. The following mantra is the most strong evidence, among all the evidences from the Rigveda, given by Tilak, in the context of spring celebration in Mrigashrsha Naksatra.
*Sushupvans ribhavastadaprihchhatagohya ka idamno abubudhata
Shvanam vasto bodhayitaramnabraveet samvatsar idamadyavyakhayat)*
Rig Veda 1-16-13
The meaning of this mantra is: O seasons! When you asked who had woken us up at that time then the vasta sun said that the awakener was shvan (dog) because that was the end of samvatsar (year). On this Mr. Tilak says that Ritu is Ritu. These Ritus sleep for twelve days at the house of Agohya sun i.e. help the solar year and the lunar year meet together, then the shvan wakes them up. It is the same shvan that the spring season has sampat in Mrigashirsha. On calculation, we find that to go round one Sampat completely, it takes 2600 years. The above situation brings us to 2200 years BC. This position of spring sampat cannnot be wrong at anytime past, present or future. But this postion can re-establish iteself after a gap of 2600 years. It is difficult to say as to which year’s spring sampat has been described in the above mantra. So this paribhramam (cyclical movement) confirms that the Vedas were there lakhs of years B.C.
The period of the Vedas is as old as the period of man’s origin. There is a tradition of speaking out the daily sankalp before starting any good or otherwise work in the Hindu darma-shastras. The secret of calculating the period of man’s origin is hidden in the sankalp. The essence of sankalp is like this
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Dwitiya paradhe vaivvasuat yanwantrae ashtvinsati kalau yuge kali pratham charan 51505 gatabde…)
I.e. this is the 28th Kali year of vaisvastra-Manu of which 5105 years have passed. One day of Brahma is called kapl or creation time. This kalp is made of manwantars or one thousand chaturyugs. Up to now 6 manwanars have passed. One manwantar is made of approximately 71 chaturyugs, 27 chaturyugs of vaivavat-manu have passed. In 28th also, three yugas (Krita, Treta, and Dwapar) have passed. Of the fourth Kaliyug also 5105 years have passed as on 04.04.1004. On calculation, it is observed that the origin of man is 1,97,29,40,105 (one arab, ninety seven crores, twenty nine lakhs forty thousand one hundred and five) years old as on today.
I hope this explains everything
