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Hello Everyone, I thought Holy Spirit is BiBi Merrium pbuh (Mary). What All You Think. We muslims believe on Holy Spirit, Coz its mentions in Quran. Please Explain You Point of View. Thank You
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LDNCatholic
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The Holy Spirit is not the Blessed Virgin Mary. She was a human, the Holy Spirit is God.
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inJESUS
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Holy Spirit is God. Virgin Mary is a human.
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tomshaikh
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LDNCatholic and INJesus. Please provide the information and resources.
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inJESUS
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who is Rouh-u-Lqdus referred to in 2:87, there are a few
different opinions. They are the following:
1- Some scholars believe **it is Hazrat Isa **(AS) himself and they base their
opinion on the verse (4:171) of the Holy Qur’an which refer to Hazrat Isa
as His (Allah’s) Rouh (Spirit). These people argue that Al-Qudos is one of
the Holy names of Allah (SWT) (see 59:23). They also argue the verse
(17:85) gives them some justification to believe “rouh” in the Holy Qur’an
is used to refer to the soul or spirit of human beings and animals
therefore given all these verses one can conclude that the Rouh-u-Lqdus
is Hazrat Isa(AS)'s soul which was blessed upon him not through a father.
But there are some weaknesses in this argument. One is the fact that in
(17:85) the question is about “Al-Rouh” not “rouh” and we have no reason
to believe it is human soul. Another problem is the fact that in (2:87)
Allah (SWT) says that Hazrat Isa was strengthened with the Holy Spirit. This
is indication that they were two different beings, not one.
2- A second group of scholars believe Rouh-u-Lqdus that strenghtened
Hazrat Isa (AS) is **his book, Injil **(Bible). They argue this since Allah refers
to revelation and His Wahi to Prophet Mohammad (SA) as “rouh” [see (40:15)
and (42:52)].
3- A Third group of scholars have argued that **Rouh-u-Lqdus is an angel.**They have based their opinion on (40:15), (70:4), and (97:30). This
interpretation seems more plausible except that it is not clear who this
angel is.
4- Another group of scholars agree that Rouh-u-Lqdus is an angel but they
show that he is the angel of Wahi (revelation), i.e. Hazrat **Jibrail **(AS).
They base their argument on the verse (16:102) which clearly states the
Holy Qur’an is revealed to Prophet Mohammad’s heart by Rouh-u-Lqdus.
Dear brother:
I recall that Allameh Tabatabai in his “Al-Mizan” goes into a lengthy
discussion about “Ruh al-Qudus” and says that it is NOT an angel, but a
separate entity which performs the will of Allah. He points to Suratul
Qadr which says that the Angels and the “Ruh” are sent down. Imam 'Ali
(A) also confirms this in the Nahjul Balagha. In al-Kafi, Imam al-Sadiq
(A) expounds on the five ruhs (arwah) which provide the infallibility and
knowledge to the Imams (A)
On questioning on the verse the
Imma said that this Rouh is greater than Jibrail and Michael. Our imma say
more on this subject. they further add that the rouh guided our Prophet and
tranferred to each imam on his death. Hence their knowledge was transferred
completely.
1- First of all please note that you can find the four different views I
listed in my original response in “Majam’-u-L-Bayan” by Marhum Tabrasi
(known as Tabarsi) and “Rauz-u-L-Jinan and Rauh-u-L-Jinan” by Abu-L-Futuh
-Al-Razi. Two of the greatest Shia scholars of the Holy Qur’an.
2- Secondly, it is good to keep in mind that the verse in discussion was
(2: 87), in which the reference is made to Rouh-u-Lqdus. In my original
response, under the third view it was mentioned that some scholars believe
that Rouh-u-Lqdus is the same as Al-Rouh mentioned in (17:85), and believe
since Al-Rouh is an angel, Rouh-u-Lqdus is also an angel. But these
scholar do not identify this angel. There I did not expand on this view
because it did seem plausible to me even though some prominent scholars
follow this view. In any case, I did not made any attempt to discuss who
Al-Rouh was because there are many different opinions on this subject. I,
rather, kept my response focused on Rouh-u-Lqdus (not Al Rouh). Given the
position of the verse (16: 102), I found the fourth view, i.e.,
considering Rouh-u-Lqdus and Jebreil (AS) the same, more acceptable. I was
well aware that this conclusion cannot be made about Al Rouh, since inverses (16:2), (78:38), and (97:40) seem to make a clear distinction
between Al Rouh and angels. There are also some Hadith from Massumin (AS)
suggesting the same distinction. But as I believe, I might have seen some
explanation as to why this distinction in these verses is made between Al
Rouh and other angels while he is also angel. I believe that at least one
scholars was of the opinion that the distinction is one of honor. In other
words since the rank of Al Rouh is much higher than those of other angel’s
Allah (SWT) has named him separately. In any case this was not my position
to make any statement as to whether Al Rouh was an angel or not.
al-islam.org/organizations/Aalimnetwork/msg00451.html
Seems Muslims are in doubts of who the Holy Spirit is.
A. Yusuf Ali ( Sunni scholar) states:
" where it is said that God strengthened the Prophet Jesus with the holy spirit. Here we learn that all good and righteous men are strengthened by God with the holy spirit. If anything, the phrase used here is stronger, ‘a spirit from Himself’. Whenever any one offers his heart in faith and purity to God, God accepts it, engraves that faith on the seeker’s heart, and further fortifies him with the Divine Spirit, which we can no more define adequately than we can define in human language the nature of God." (Ali, The Meaning of the Holy Quran, p. 1518, f. 5365)
Shia writer Irshaad Hussain, in his The Soul: Between Spirit and Clay, says in regards to God’s Spirit which was breathed into Adam:
The Spirit, which derives from God, IS A REALITY THAT POSSESSES ALL THE DIVINE ATTRIBUTES. IT REPRESENTS A DIRECT MANIFESTATION OF GOD. Remember, it is only after this Spirit is breathed into Adam that God orders the angels to prostrate themselves before Adam. It is only after this receiving of the Spirit that Adam is given knowledge of the names of all things. The Spirit then MANIFESTS in some way THE ATTRIBUTES OR NAMES OF GOD. It is luminous, alive, subtle, unseen, knowing, unified etc. The body on the other hand has many parts and is overcome by darkness, ignorance, inanimate matter, and a lack of divine attributes. So spirit and body have no common measure - One is from God who is Unique, who is One. The other is from the material world which is characterized by multiplicity and dispersion.
al-shia.com/html/eng/books/beliefs/the-soul-between-spirit-and-clay/the-soul-between-spirit-and-clay.htm
different opinions. They are the following:
1- Some scholars believe **it is Hazrat Isa **(AS) himself and they base their
opinion on the verse (4:171) of the Holy Qur’an which refer to Hazrat Isa
as His (Allah’s) Rouh (Spirit). These people argue that Al-Qudos is one of
the Holy names of Allah (SWT) (see 59:23). They also argue the verse
(17:85) gives them some justification to believe “rouh” in the Holy Qur’an
is used to refer to the soul or spirit of human beings and animals
therefore given all these verses one can conclude that the Rouh-u-Lqdus
is Hazrat Isa(AS)'s soul which was blessed upon him not through a father.
But there are some weaknesses in this argument. One is the fact that in
(17:85) the question is about “Al-Rouh” not “rouh” and we have no reason
to believe it is human soul. Another problem is the fact that in (2:87)
Allah (SWT) says that Hazrat Isa was strengthened with the Holy Spirit. This
is indication that they were two different beings, not one.
2- A second group of scholars believe Rouh-u-Lqdus that strenghtened
Hazrat Isa (AS) is **his book, Injil **(Bible). They argue this since Allah refers
to revelation and His Wahi to Prophet Mohammad (SA) as “rouh” [see (40:15)
and (42:52)].
3- A Third group of scholars have argued that **Rouh-u-Lqdus is an angel.**They have based their opinion on (40:15), (70:4), and (97:30). This
interpretation seems more plausible except that it is not clear who this
angel is.
4- Another group of scholars agree that Rouh-u-Lqdus is an angel but they
show that he is the angel of Wahi (revelation), i.e. Hazrat **Jibrail **(AS).
They base their argument on the verse (16:102) which clearly states the
Holy Qur’an is revealed to Prophet Mohammad’s heart by Rouh-u-Lqdus.
Dear brother:
I recall that Allameh Tabatabai in his “Al-Mizan” goes into a lengthy
discussion about “Ruh al-Qudus” and says that it is NOT an angel, but a
separate entity which performs the will of Allah. He points to Suratul
Qadr which says that the Angels and the “Ruh” are sent down. Imam 'Ali
(A) also confirms this in the Nahjul Balagha. In al-Kafi, Imam al-Sadiq
(A) expounds on the five ruhs (arwah) which provide the infallibility and
knowledge to the Imams (A)
On questioning on the verse the
Imma said that this Rouh is greater than Jibrail and Michael. Our imma say
more on this subject. they further add that the rouh guided our Prophet and
tranferred to each imam on his death. Hence their knowledge was transferred
completely.
1- First of all please note that you can find the four different views I
listed in my original response in “Majam’-u-L-Bayan” by Marhum Tabrasi
(known as Tabarsi) and “Rauz-u-L-Jinan and Rauh-u-L-Jinan” by Abu-L-Futuh
-Al-Razi. Two of the greatest Shia scholars of the Holy Qur’an.
2- Secondly, it is good to keep in mind that the verse in discussion was
(2: 87), in which the reference is made to Rouh-u-Lqdus. In my original
response, under the third view it was mentioned that some scholars believe
that Rouh-u-Lqdus is the same as Al-Rouh mentioned in (17:85), and believe
since Al-Rouh is an angel, Rouh-u-Lqdus is also an angel. But these
scholar do not identify this angel. There I did not expand on this view
because it did seem plausible to me even though some prominent scholars
follow this view. In any case, I did not made any attempt to discuss who
Al-Rouh was because there are many different opinions on this subject. I,
rather, kept my response focused on Rouh-u-Lqdus (not Al Rouh). Given the
position of the verse (16: 102), I found the fourth view, i.e.,
considering Rouh-u-Lqdus and Jebreil (AS) the same, more acceptable. I was
well aware that this conclusion cannot be made about Al Rouh, since inverses (16:2), (78:38), and (97:40) seem to make a clear distinction
between Al Rouh and angels. There are also some Hadith from Massumin (AS)
suggesting the same distinction. But as I believe, I might have seen some
explanation as to why this distinction in these verses is made between Al
Rouh and other angels while he is also angel. I believe that at least one
scholars was of the opinion that the distinction is one of honor. In other
words since the rank of Al Rouh is much higher than those of other angel’s
Allah (SWT) has named him separately. In any case this was not my position
to make any statement as to whether Al Rouh was an angel or not.
al-islam.org/organizations/Aalimnetwork/msg00451.html
Seems Muslims are in doubts of who the Holy Spirit is.
A. Yusuf Ali ( Sunni scholar) states:
" where it is said that God strengthened the Prophet Jesus with the holy spirit. Here we learn that all good and righteous men are strengthened by God with the holy spirit. If anything, the phrase used here is stronger, ‘a spirit from Himself’. Whenever any one offers his heart in faith and purity to God, God accepts it, engraves that faith on the seeker’s heart, and further fortifies him with the Divine Spirit, which we can no more define adequately than we can define in human language the nature of God." (Ali, The Meaning of the Holy Quran, p. 1518, f. 5365)
Shia writer Irshaad Hussain, in his The Soul: Between Spirit and Clay, says in regards to God’s Spirit which was breathed into Adam:
The Spirit, which derives from God, IS A REALITY THAT POSSESSES ALL THE DIVINE ATTRIBUTES. IT REPRESENTS A DIRECT MANIFESTATION OF GOD. Remember, it is only after this Spirit is breathed into Adam that God orders the angels to prostrate themselves before Adam. It is only after this receiving of the Spirit that Adam is given knowledge of the names of all things. The Spirit then MANIFESTS in some way THE ATTRIBUTES OR NAMES OF GOD. It is luminous, alive, subtle, unseen, knowing, unified etc. The body on the other hand has many parts and is overcome by darkness, ignorance, inanimate matter, and a lack of divine attributes. So spirit and body have no common measure - One is from God who is Unique, who is One. The other is from the material world which is characterized by multiplicity and dispersion.
al-shia.com/html/eng/books/beliefs/the-soul-between-spirit-and-clay/the-soul-between-spirit-and-clay.htm
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inJESUS
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Who is the Holy Spirit?
In the beginning God Created The Heavens And The Earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and The Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." (Genesis 1:1-2)
Exodus 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship…
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of The Almighty gives me life." (Job 33:4)
"When you send Your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth." (Psalm 104:30)
Then the spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon. Judges 11:29
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.Isa. 40:7
Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? Psalm 130-7
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Matthew 12:28
Corinthians 2:11, “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? **even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” **
For David himself said by the Holy Spirit, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.Mark 12:36
we see that the Holy Spirit lives inside us: “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” 1 Corinthians 3:16,
and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.Luke 1
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.2 Corinthians 3:17
And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied…Luke 1:67
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:Acts 2:17-18
Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, **full of the Holy Spirit **and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.Acts 6:3
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Mystic_Warrior
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I really have no idea of what you are asking. I don’t know what “BiBi” is and I am at a loss as to what the Holy Spirit and Mary have to do with each other in this sense.
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LDNCatholic
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I think Bibi approximately means ‘‘lady’’.
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tomshaikh
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BiBi used for respect. And my answer is Mother of Jesus pbuh is or is not Holy Spirit.
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inJESUS
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No Tomsheikh, Mary is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is eternal and uncreated. It is the Holy Spirit of God. Mary is a human.
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tomshaikh
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Okay, No more discussion from myside. You all are welcome to. And thanks for the information from Quran and Bible referencess. I think its not good to get too my knowledge about religion. Otherwise we will get more questions to be asked in judgement day. Just do the basic I guess. I do not wanna go in deepness. End of my involvement in this thread.
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inJESUS
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You are welcome Tomshaikh. Do not be afraid to go deep into things because God is deep. He will not judge you for asking and understanding 
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Mystic_Warrior
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Thankfully, LDN Catholic told me what BiBi means. You say it is used for respect but fail to give me your meaning of the word. I won’t ask again after this. What does BiBi mean to you?
The Blessed Virgin Mary is not the Holy Spirit. If she was, she would be called the Holy Spirit and vice-versa. What is your point?
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tomshaikh
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I do not know this meaning I heard it from people when using religious figure like Merrium pbuh and daughter of prophet muhammad pbuh we put BiBi infront of their names. Sorry I can’t hear, talk and I have problem understanding.
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tomshaikh
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Well, I quote one verse from Quran which is Surrah:1 and Verses: 7 from www.quranexplorer.com with Dr.Mohsin. And I thought that I will go astray when I die. Things come on you if you think bad about others. I think my childhood mistakes will take me to hell. I apologize with all who saw my that post and if I hurt someone from my other posts and threads.You are welcome Tomshaikh. Do not be afraid to go deep into things because God is deep. He will not judge you for asking and understanding
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dessert
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We call Our Blessed Virgin Mary the spouse of the Holy Spirit.
Because her conception of Jesus was by way of the Holy Spirit.
Does this help? Sorry you are so ill?
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Verisimilitude
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tomshaikh, God knows the intent of your heart and also knows what it is like to be human. He is not the master of human slaves but is Father to us children. God does not want you to fear him like that. He loves you and wants you to love Him. He is willing to forgive you if you only ask. We all need it.
God is One and we cannot say He is spirit or has shape or anything because we do not know, but we can say He is everything. The mystery of the trinity is allowing yourself to see God as all three at once, knowing nothing is impossible with God. It is simple really. Like a man who has a child. He is a father and a man and an inspiration to the child. God is like that to all humanity: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Ask God with a sincere heart if that is true and in time I have no doubt He will give you an answer.
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Tom,
You seem to me to be a genuine good person trying to get close to God. God knows your heart and your intentions. I have never been offended by you or your questions. God loves you more than you can know while on this earth.
Keep asking if you need to know. We will ask you to explain if we don’t understand. Hopefully, we will all meet in heaven.
You seem to me to be a genuine good person trying to get close to God. God knows your heart and your intentions. I have never been offended by you or your questions. God loves you more than you can know while on this earth.
Keep asking if you need to know. We will ask you to explain if we don’t understand. Hopefully, we will all meet in heaven.
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inJESUS
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why are you living in terror Tomshaikh? do you thinking that asking about God is forbidden? will He punish you for it? please don’t…
PS: Are you ill or something?
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