Is Homosexuality Genetic?

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NoMoreGames said:
That connections which you peak of would be genetic. In this case, there are genetic components that create proteins in the brain that cause it to react a certain way to different stimuli, and but you and your sister must have received similar genetic components from your parents.

And as far as there being a small number of individuals born with biological abnormalities, I beg to differ. My research has shown that with the abnormality has no biological effect, either positive or negative (but that does not mean it is not present), or that there is no visible physical change. Take allergies for instance. That is a biological abnormality, but I’m guessing that a fair number of people you know have them in one way or the other.

Don’t take this as me saying homosexuality is purely genetic, i feel it is a combination of genetic factors that make an individual prone to certain experiences in a specific way, and actually encountering those experiences at an influential time as determined by the genetic component. This would still mean the individual would have no control over the outcome. I just wanted to clear up some potential confusion on genetics.
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Guess I’ll just have to ask the Lord to clear up the question of genetic influence. But as with biological abnormalities, you couldn’t necessarily tell either if a person is attracted to the same sex unless they told you. Either way, it was never in God’s plan or natural laws for man to be homosexual. I believe strongly that it is the result of the fall just like hereditary abnormalities, disease, biological abnormalities or anything else that involves suffering is. Like the previous woman said, let’s believe God, the bible and the Catholic church’s teaching that it is sin, destructive emotionally, spiritually and physically.
 
estesbob said:
Most of us to figured out the difference between the genders by the time we ended kindergarten-.
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The direct implication of this is that gay people are intellectually inferior.

While I could comment upon the fact that it is also utterly irrelevant, because gay people are just as conscious of the difference between genders, hence the fact that they are gay and not bi, what is far more important is that bigotry is never acceptable.
 
Mystophilus said:
The direct implication of this is that gay people are intellectually inferior.

While I could comment upon the fact that it is also utterly irrelevant, because gay people are just as conscious of the difference between genders, hence the fact that they are gay and not bi, what is far more important is that bigotry is never acceptable.
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Bigotry’s one thing, calling sin a sin is another.
 
ladybri77 said:
Guess I’ll just have to ask the Lord to clear up the question of genetic influence. But as with biological abnormalities, you couldn’t necessarily tell either if a person is attracted to the same sex unless they told you. Either way, it was never in God’s plan or natural laws for man to be homosexual. I believe strongly that it is the result of the fall just like hereditary abnormalities, disease, biological abnormalities or anything else that involves suffering is. Like the previous woman said, let’s believe God, the bible and the Catholic church’s teaching that it is sin, destructive emotionally, spiritually and physically.
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I know this is going to make me sound faithless, but prayer will not prove for one side or the other, only extremely sophisticated scientific research can do that (I can go into more detail on that if you want, biotechnology is my area of expertise). How do you know that God did not design homosexuality as part of the human being? I’m still confused how homosexuality is destructive physically.
 
NoMoreGames said:
I know this is going to make me sound faithless, but prayer will not prove for one side or the other, only extremely sophisticated scientific research can do that (I can go into more detail on that if you want, biotechnology is my area of expertise). How do you know that God did not design homosexuality as part of the human being? I’m still confused how homosexuality is destructive physically.
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Destructive physically? When you use your sexual organs the wrong way, blood vessels are broken in the anus exposing you to the AIDS virus as you can see what happened in the 1980’s and beyond.

How did I know that He did not design us that way? From His word, Romans, and in the New Testament when he called perversion sin and if He did intend this, then homosexuality would be the majority, not the minority. I mean it’s only common sense that He did not design us to be homosexual - as evidenced by opposite sex genitalia!
 
ladybri77 said:
Destructive physically? When you use your sexual organs the wrong way, blood vessels are broken in the anus exposing you to the AIDS virus as you can see what happened in the 1980’s and beyond.
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So only gay men practicing anal intercourse can contract AIDS? And it’s not that blood vessels are broken, it’s that the delicate and permeable lining of the colon (by nature of the digestive system) is torn, making it easier for pathogens to enter. But this is not a problem with monogamous gay life commitments (just like straight ones), is it?
ladybri77 said:
How did I know that He did not design us that way? From His word, Romans, and in the New Testament when he called perversion sin and if He did intend this, then homosexuality would be the majority, not the minority. I mean it’s only common sense that He did not design us to be homosexual - as evidenced by opposite sex genitalia!
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So your logic is that only things in the majority are intended? So if women were in the majority, men were unintended? Of course not, making your reasoning incredibly unsound. There are purposes beyond procreating for marital sex, bonding and pleasure being two, so why should it matter if they are opposite matter if only one aspect of sex is take away with homosexual sex?

As far as the Bible saying it is wrong, please see my previous posts (#805) and tell me how you are still so sure.
 
NoMoreGames said:
So only gay men practicing anal intercourse can contract AIDS? And it’s not that blood vessels are broken, it’s that the delicate and permeable lining of the colon (by nature of the digestive system) is torn, making it easier for pathogens to enter. But this is not a problem with monogamous gay life commitments (just like straight ones), is it?

So your logic is that only things in the majority are intended? So if women were in the majority, men were unintended? Of course not, making your reasoning incredibly unsound. There are purposes beyond procreating for marital sex, bonding and pleasure being two, so why should it matter if they are opposite matter if only one aspect of sex is take away with homosexual sex?

As far as the Bible saying it is wrong, please see my previous posts (#805) and tell me how you are still so sure.
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I didn’t say gay men were the only ones who could contract AIDS. There was a higher likelihood, more gay men in the beginning contracting AIDS and then being spread to women. When you break the permeable lining in the colon, you are breaking tiny blood vessels. Also, I know first hand how destructive emotionally this lifestyle can be.

I would suggest you ask the Lord to clear some of these things up for you if you do not believe His Word, the church or us.
 
ladybri77 said:
I didn’t say gay men were the only ones who could contract AIDS. There was a higher likelihood, more gay men in the beginning contracting AIDS and then being spread to women. When you break the permeable lining in the colon, you are breaking tiny blood vessels. Also, I know first hand how destructive emotionally this lifestyle can be.

I would suggest you ask the Lord to clear some of these things up for you if you do not believe His Word, the church or us.
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I never said i didn’t believe God, in fact I do. I don’t trust man. I trust His word fully, I just interpret this differently. This is not about the way the Bible speak to me, this is about a genetic factor.

As far is it being destructive, SDTs are ALWAYS a problem outside of marriage, but that doesn’t mean simply being homosexual is physically destructive. (Yes breaking the lining involves blood vessels, but I just wanted to make sure you understood it was a little more complex than the way you stated.)
 
Mystophilus said:
The direct implication of this is that gay people are intellectually inferior.
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Nice try to derail the discussion but I’m not going to play along.
While I could comment upon the fact that it is also utterly irrelevant, because gay people are just as conscious of the difference between genders, hence the fact that they are gay and not bi, what is far more important is that bigotry is never acceptable.
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If people who engage in homosexual behavior are conscious of the difference between genders(and I’m sure there are) then hey can understand that your comment about there being no heterosexual gene is meaningless.
No implication is that the news at the prospector is no heterosexual scene merely shows that you identify people by their sexual behavior by their gender
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You identify people by their sexual behavior which is why you keep throwing out terms like heterosexual and homosexual which are words that denote sexual behavior. I identify myself as a child of God first husband and father second and Houston Astros fan third. The last of those may very well be a genetic defect
 
I honestly think this question is equivalent to asking whether or not certain consequences of original sin or original sin itself, in man fallen nature, are solely in the flesh—and if so, where and how? in what genes?—or in the spirit, or both. No? St. Thomas Aquinas, e.g., says that “the soul is the subject of original sin, and not the flesh.” ()Summa**I answer that…).

Also, we do know that idolatry causes homosexuality:[BIBLEDRB]Romans 1:21-32[/BIBLEDRB]Also, there’s this article: thecatholicthing.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2339&Itemid=2
 
Geremia said:
St. Thomas Aquinas, e.g., says that “the soul is the subject of original sin, and not the flesh.” (Summa II-I q. 83 a. 1 c. (I answer that…)).
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There might be a certain effect on the body, a certain gene, that results from the soul being dead in sin; but the soul informs the body, not vice versa. Humans are not intrinsically homosexual, though; this would be like saying there are such things as homosexual souls.
 
What you do to the body, you do to the soul… what you do to the soul… you do to the body
Therefore… although sin entered the world… through “original sin”… it did not take away “free will” and so we can WILL not to DO that which we are tempted to do… if we have knowledge and understanding of the wrongness of the act… so while homosexual orientation is not in itself a sin… it can either weaken or strengthen the WILL by the struggle or lack thereof … to not act on it.
 
Geremia said:
I honestly think this question is equivalent to asking whether or not certain consequences of original sin or original sin itself, in man fallen nature, are solely in the flesh—and if so, where and how? in what genes?—or in the spirit, or both. No? St. Thomas Aquinas, e.g., says that “the soul is the subject of original sin, and not the flesh.” (Summa II-I q. 83 a. 1 c. (I answer that…)).

Also, we do know that idolatry causes homosexuality:[BIBLEDRB]Romans 1:21-32[/BIBLEDRB]Also, there’s this article: thecatholicthing.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2339&Itemid=2
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Amen! This reveals the truth, it’s just that some people refuse to see The Truth, so I would ask God to open their eyes to The Truth written plainly here in His Word. Thank you for dissecting it in this way. So true that it IS idolatry!
 
What about the homosexuals who are devout religious people? They don’t have idols, yet they still have the same same feelings, they just don’t act on it. That doesn’t mean they aren’t gay.

I’m not saying what you posted is not true, this is just honest curiosity.
 
NoMoreGames said:
What about the homosexuals who are devout religious people? They don’t have idols, yet they still have the same same feelings, they just don’t act on it. That doesn’t mean they aren’t gay.

I’m not saying what you posted is not true, this is just honest curiosity.
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Like the prior poster wrote, having homosexual feelings is not a sin, it’s when you act on them. Usually devout religious people don’t call themselves “homosexual”, they say they have a tendency toward that sin, just like someone else might have a tendency toward anger, or food addiction, sex or love addiction. You don’t have to choose to act on these things if you want to live. That is if you don’t want to die spiritually, emotionally and physically.
 
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