Is Homosexuality Genetic?

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There is hope however, because homosexuality being a psychological illness is curable through therapy and hundreds have left the homosexual lifestyle. However these good folks have been marganilized and threthned by activists who refuse to acknowledge them. In the ultimate turnaround, the pro gay people wanting tolerance and equality (so they say) are the most bigoted and intolerant of ex-gays and organizations as PFOX. Indeed violence and sadomachocism are a trademark of many homosexual males. The Nazis filled the ranks of the SS and Hitler’s bodyguards with homosexuals simply because they made better killers than heterosexual men. Littel known fact was that it was these large amounts of sadomachoist homosexuals in the Nazi party who’s interest in the occult, evolution and the Greek Hellenistic society paved the way for their racism and hatred of Judeo-Christian Morality which led to the Final Solution to the Jewish Problem and the dismantling of the German Christian Church from within, all the while claiming to promote God and condemn homosexuality. In reality such declarations by Hitler were nothing but empty rethoric. Events like the Roehm Purge were actually political and the homosexuality law gave them a convenient excuse to jail many dissident men in their ranks as well as Catholic preachers and especially feminine homosexuals who they despised. Police today whenever they encounter a case of a dead man’s body being ‘over-killed’ oftentimes with his sexual organs being mutilated, they immediatedly rule in a connection of homosexuality and are right 95% of the time. So indeed there is that problem of violence in sadomachoist homosexuals to worry about, indeed gay history is full of examples of violence. For more on the Nazi history and teh gay holocaust myth read ‘The Pink Swastika’ You can find a vesion online to download for free from a family organization site.

For more information visit the PFOX and NARTH websites.
 
Very good posts jdnation. I have learned a lot of the same in my history readings, notably about the Nazis.

Proust had a theory that it was genetic–descended from those who managed to escape the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. But then he was no doubt trying to exculpate his characters (and himself).
 
Hi MugenOne-
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MugenOne:
Is being gay genetic? Folks, that is what gay activitists and leftist scientists are trying to have us believed. They are poisoning the mind of young folks. If they got the general public acceptance, then they can easily push their agenda i.e. same sex marriage, etc. I don’t think it is genetic, but a lifestyle.
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It simply is not known yet whether a genetic component to homosexuality exists. Stated positively, it is known that no definitive genetic component to homosexuality has been isolated.
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MugenOne:
It takes two (man and woman) to variate genes and produce offspring. If gay people are genetically gay, they, as a subspecies, would die out thousand of years ago. They can’t reproduce themselves. Because they can’t reproduce, evolution has taken over. And they all die out. That is the reality of evolution if we believe in it. Am I right?
MugenOne
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I don’t think you are correct. You have assumed that if the genetic defect existed that it’s propogation occurs solely at the time of conception from a parent with the “homosexual” gene. If there were some external cause for the genetic defect - say some food preservative - that caused genetic mutations to occur in otherwise healthy heterosexuals, then they could pass this mutated gene on
to one of their offspring. This form of genetic transimission would not be eliminated by “evolution” in the manner you have proposed.

As an aside, a genetic component might mitigate but would not eliminate the sinfulness of active homosexuality according to Catholic theology. It would generate considerable public and political support for the homosexual agenda, however.

Finally, I will add that although homosexuals are easy targets there is an abundance of sinful behavior in all people. Homosexuality happens to be “naturally” repulsive to many heterosexuals and they therefore find it easy to focus their attention on homosexuals. A significant part of the difficulty in defending marriage is how grotesquely marriage has been abused by heterosexuals through divorce, infidelity, etc. and the fact that it has a “legal” status simultaneously with it’s religious status.

Phil
 
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Philthy:
A significant part of the difficulty in defending marriage is how grotesquely marriage has been abused by heterosexuals through divorce, infidelity, etc. and the fact that it has a “legal” status simultaneously with it’s religious status.

Phil
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We abuse it, so we can lose it. God is just!
 
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Philthy:
Finally, I will add that although homosexuals are easy targets there is an abundance of sinful behavior in all people. Homosexuality happens to be “naturally” repulsive to many heterosexuals and they therefore find it easy to focus their attention on homosexuals. A significant part of the difficulty in defending marriage is how grotesquely marriage has been abused by heterosexuals through divorce, infidelity, etc. and the fact that it has a “legal” status simultaneously with it’s religious status.

Phil
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Philthy,

Interesting post, but I would disagree with your final paragraph. There is some merit to your argument that the repulsiveness adds to the focus, but I think homosexual activists are easier targets for another reason. They want homosexual acts to no longer be considered sinful. Yes, there is infidelity in marriages, but you don’t see to many ‘infidelity pride’ marches. We still have an ideal of marriage, which most of society (excluding gays, polygamists, hedonists) agree is an ideal. Even people who get divorced, believe in the importance of marriage.

God Bless,

Robert.
 
I recently received the Winter 2004 edition of RESPONSE - a Newsletter of the Irish Branch of The Responsible Society, Family and Youth Concern. One of the snippets in it is :-

The Gay Gene?
Researchers at the University of Padua believe they found evidence of a genetic component to homosexuality. They say that the same range of genes that predispose men to homosexuality also make women more fertile. This solves a puzzle for evolutionary biologists who wonder why a gay gene had not died out if it could not re-produce itself. However, the lead researcher believes that only 20% of homosexuality is genetic. The remaining 80% appears to be due to environmental influences, she said. BioEdge 30-10-2004.

Interesting.
 
What makes humans unique from other creatures is our ability to choose how to act. To say the homosexualtiy is genetic is to deny ones humanity.
 
No. Homosexuality is a mental health disorder, with Sigmund Freud providing the most probable explanation for its causes: three situations must be present for the individual to lean towards homosexuality 1. A stressful environment (absentee parent or a domineering parent); 2. the individual is physically inadequate for their gender; 3. how the individual copes with the Freudian ‘Primal Scene’.

St. Luke’s in Silversprings Maryland is the American Catholic Church’s private mental health facility which specifically treats priests for Homosexuality as a mental health disorder, not the politically correct euphemism such as ‘preference’.

Homosexuals are irrational and are emotionally damaged individuals, so it is definately a nurture and not a nature phenomenon.
 
The debate goes on.

On EWTN, Johnette Benkovic had on a psychiatrist who explained that sexuality is complicated and there may be a lot of learned behaviors that are very difficult to change.

I recall that one example that he gave was language dialect. We develop this, we learn it, no one questions it, and it’s hard to change.

One of the amazing / mysterious / puzzling things about homosexuality is that it is world-wide and goes back in time as far as there are records of laws and customs prohibiting it. Men, for example, end up with same-sex attractions in many different cultures.

Another amazing / mysterious / puzzling thing is how so many men, for example, end up with an unequivocal heterosexual orientation with no apparent difficulty.

And, the men come from the same families (genetic and social environments).

We know that being a parent is an amateur sport, as well.
 
Two DNA scientists working at the Jonas Saulk Institute in California worked on that question for several years. They had the DNA of aprox. 80 homosexuals. The result was …there is nothing different in DNA from homosexuals as compared to that of Heterosexuals.
 
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psalm90:
One of the amazing / mysterious / puzzling things about homosexuality is that it is world-wide and goes back in time as far as there are records of laws and customs prohibiting it. Men, for example, end up with same-sex attractions in many different cultures.

Another amazing / mysterious / puzzling thing is how so many men, for example, end up with an unequivocal heterosexual orientation with no apparent difficulty.

And, the men come from the same families (genetic and social environments).
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To some extent though, those ‘same sex’ relationships were culturally based and culturally supported. IOW one might be more likely to expect this in ancient Greece than in other countries where there were far stronger taboos against same sex relationships. In addition the same sex relationships tended to be transitory AND in conjunction with heterosexual relationships. There were very strong male bonds in some cultures and soldiers in the field might have a SS relationship but return to a wife and have perfectly normal sexual relations. There weren’t ‘homosexual marriages’ even in ancient Greece or Rome.

As someone pointed out in this thread, the desire to have some kind of sex life is hardwired in. Sexual response is seen in very young children far earlier than any learned behavior would indicate. OTOH as was also pointed out we can decide what to do or not to do. Further, something that sounded utterly repulsive to a nine year old could be very enticing to an adult. I mean think about it. When you were a kid did you like seeing gooby passionate kisses on TV? I would about gag at the thought of sharing all that saliva. EWWWWWW!!! I think that people can LEARN to like very abherrent practices if they are exposed to them or if by some kind of experimentation these practices are learned. IOW I think a homosexual response could be learned if the right set of circumstances occurred. If they did not occur the same genetic program would produce a heterosexual.

In my own anecdotal experience with homosexual males, ALL of them had problem parents. Interestingly of the three I know well, all three were adopted. One was dumped by a hippie mom on one of her friends and she never returned. The other two had virtual non-participatory fathers and were adopted at the insistence of the mothers who wanted kids. All three of them were seduced into ‘the life’ by an older and admired man. I don’t think this pattern is that far off for many male homosexuals. As to women, the post about the person being a failure with the opposite sex rings true. A couple of the women were abused by a father/stepfather and learned a fear and loathing of men.

JMO from out here in the cheap seats. But the homosexuals I know seem to fit in the patterns of the scientific arguments.
Lisa N
 
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MugenOne:
Is being gay genetic? Folks, that is what gay activitists and leftist scientists are trying to have us believed. They are poisoning the mind of young folks. If they got the general public acceptance, then they can easily push their agenda i.e. same sex marriage, etc. I don’t think it is genetic, but a lifestyle. It takes two (man and woman) to variate genes and produce offspring. If gay people are genetically gay, they, as a subspecies, would die out thousand of years ago. They can’t reproduce themselves. Because they can’t reproduce, evolution has taken over. And they all die out. That is the reality of evolution if we believe in it. Am I right?

MugenOne
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I think the real question to be asked is, “Is human fallibility and broken-ness genetic?” And the answer is a big YES!!! It’s passed down from our original parents who forsook a relationship with God that was designed to enable them to live holy lives.
 
The answer is NO.

Homosexuality is still a nurture and not a nature issue. Nobody is born a homosexual.

Homosexuality is caused by blunt emotional trauma during the formative years of development, causing the victim to become emotionally damaged (short-circuited if you will).

Homosexuals are irrational and must be kept away from all offices of responsibility where clarity of thought and emotional stability are required!

Otherwise they’re on their own and its nobody’s business what they do.
 
No. It’s media-induced. When the media decided to make it fashionable it became fashionable.
 
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MugenOne:
Is being gay genetic? Folks, that is what gay activitists and leftist scientists are trying to have us believed. They are poisoning the mind of young folks. If they got the general public acceptance, then they can easily push their agenda i.e. same sex marriage, etc. I don’t think it is genetic, but a lifestyle. It takes two (man and woman) to variate genes and produce offspring. If gay people are genetically gay, they, as a subspecies, would die out thousand of years ago. They can’t reproduce themselves. Because they can’t reproduce, evolution has taken over. And they all die out. That is the reality of evolution if we believe in it. Am I right?

MugenOne
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I am not sure why we think a genetic basis is important. Many conditions may be genetic, that does not mean we do not treat those conditions and try to correct them.
 
All you righteous Catholics, who compare homosexuality to cleptomania or chronic lying, call it a choice or a “fashionable lifestyle”, don’t you feel ashamed about yourself writing those things?

The Cathecism of the Catholic Churc says in Canon 2357
Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained.
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and in Canon 2358:
The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.
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Just in case somebody feels so righteous he or she doesn’t know what to confess next time, at least every other poster in this thread can think about canon 2358 and i’m sure they will find something for their next confession.

Werner
 
Nope. If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it is a duck. We call it what it is - evil.
 
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Werner:
All you righteous Catholics, who compare homosexuality to cleptomania or chronic lying, call it a choice or a “fashionable lifestyle”, don’t you feel ashamed about yourself writing those things?
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I don’t recall comparing homosexuality to cleptomania or lying but I do compare it to other addictive behavior. And no I am not ashamed to say this. I think the parallels are STRIKING.
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Werner:
The Cathecism of the Catholic Churc says in Canon 2357
and in Canon 2358:
Just in case somebody feels so righteous he or she doesn’t know what to confess next time, at least every other poster in this thread can think about canon 2358 and i’m sure they will find something for their next confession.

Werner
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The Church agrees the PSYCHOLOGICAL genesis is largely unexplained. PSYCHOLOGICAL the mind not the body. If that had been the case they would have been more likely to call it the PHYSIOLOGICAL genesis. I am not sure how you think this is in opposition to the posts that indicate there seems to be a nurture component that is significant if not the sole reason. IOW there is NO evidence of a ‘gay gene’ or that born gay always gay. Again like addictive behaviors, SSA can be cured.

So what are we supposed to confess werner?

Lisa N
 
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Werner:
All you righteous Catholics, who compare homosexuality to cleptomania or chronic lying, call it a choice or a “fashionable lifestyle”, don’t you feel ashamed about yourself writing those things?

The Cathecism of the Catholic Churc says in Canon 2357
and in Canon 2358:
Just in case somebody feels so righteous he or she doesn’t know what to confess next time, at least every other poster in this thread can think about canon 2358 and i’m sure they will find something for their next confession.

Werner
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Self righteous? Apparently calling a sin a sin is self righteous? Ever read the bible? The CCC is not is conflict with any post here I have read. Perhaps you can explain what you are implying?
 
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