Is Homosexuality Genetic?

[centurionguard]

Answer this…

If homosexuality were a genetic factor, then wouldn’t it run in family lines. 'Another Words… wouldn’t the incidence of homosexuality be statistically higher in the families that show it.

Your question seems very hypothetical. No conclusive evidence in psycho-therapeutic studies to date have shown this to be true.
Yet; I have read scientific studies that propose plausibility but nothing absolute in how human genetics play a role in homosexuality. However; that being said the real question is not whether a man or woman has homosexual tendencies but it’s how BOTH (“Homosexual’s and Heterosexuals inclusive”) lead a life of purity that is not centered on a sexually disordered lifestyle.

 

[mmmcounts]

Answer this…

If homosexuality were a genetic factor, then wouldn’t it run in family lines. 'Nutherwords… wouldn’t the incedance of homosexuality be satistically higher in the families that show it.

There’s a variety of twins studies on this. It’s fairly basic stuff that you do whenever you want to find out how strong genetic influence is in anything. It’s not an all-or-nothing deal like people make it out to be. It’s not nature vs. nurture. It’s nature, and nurture, and hormones neurotransmitters brain structure society culture family immediate relationships…plus some more things. It’s 100% all of it.

Anyway, find some twin studies. If you can find any that involve the Australian registry, those involve sample groups that are the most statistically sound that the can really be. See them, evaluate them, do a little research.

 

[Maso]

Your question seems very hypothetical. No conclusive evidence in psycho-therapeutic studies to date have shown this to be true.
Yet; I have read scientific studies that propose plausibility but nothing absolute in how human genetics play a role in homosexuality. However; that being said the real question is not whether a man or woman has homosexual tendencies but it’s how BOTH (“Homosexual’s and Heterosexuals inclusive”) lead a life of purity that is not centered on a sexually disordered lifestyle.

That’s just B.S.

 

[centurionguard]

That’s just B.S.

:knight1: Maybe you can explain in a charitable intellectual and gentlemanly manner why you believe what I said in my last post offended you ? QUOTE(((Your question seems very hypothetical. No conclusive evidence in psycho-therapeutic studies to date have shown this to be true.
Yet; I have read scientific studies that propose plausibility but nothing absolute in how human genetics play a role in homosexuality. However; that being said the real question is not whether a man or woman has homosexual tendencies but it’s how BOTH (“Homosexual’s and Heterosexuals inclusive”) lead a life of purity that is not centered on a sexually disordered lifestyle.)))UNQUOTE

How did I offend you ?
What did I say that hurt you ?
Were two respectable gentlemen, lets talk.

 

[YipYupYep]

By God’s Grace I have been out of the gay lifestyle now for 10.5 years (THANK YOU GOD).
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That’s quite a story. Wow. That’s a story not often told I would bet. God Bless You.

I would say that most gay men don’t want to be gay. In there heart of hearts, the wish they were straight.

What do you think?

 

[Maso]

:knight1: Maybe you can…

How did I offend you ?
What did I say that hurt you ?
Were two respectable gentlemen, lets talk.

It doesn’t offend me at all.

It’s just that if there is a genetic factor at the root of homosexuality then it would certainly corrolate satistically.

My gut feeling about it is that there probably are some cases of that. Very rare though. We had a kid in our high school class who was very unfortunate. He was more girl that boy and I can see how there must be some kind of genetic screw-up there, but in my whole life I have only encountered one like that. My sence of satistical occurances is confronted by that. I still think that most homosexuality is the results of poor or improper bonding during their formative years and it’s something that for them is totally overwhelming. It becomes a very complex matter very soon analytically speaking. And then frankly, there are still those who just don’t have a sence of morality. Nuther words… those who will stick it to anything if it moves, is wet and warm who call themselves bi-sexual, as if there could actually be such a thing as a “bisexual sexual orientation”… those people are simply depraved but want us to accept them as normal.

 

[mmmcounts]

By God’s Grace I have been out of the gay lifestyle now for 10.5 years (THANK YOU GOD). I just needed to make a comment. It is not a lifestyle choice. Just because it isn’t genetic does not mean people choose to be a homosexual. I hear this often and wanted to clarify this. Most homosexuals will state they had the attraction since they can remember and I was not an exception to this. I had the attraction to the same sex way before I knew what sex was.
However, the Lord has done so many awesome things in my life. One was he showed me that the attraction I had towards the same sex, was actually an admiration towards those who had physical or masculine traits that I thought I had lacked. You see, when I was very young, my masculinity was never affirmed. My father was an alcoholic and the masculinity that he showed me only brought me fear. An even more important factor was that my male peers made fun of me, picked me last for sports teams during gym and made it perfectly clear that I wasn’t like them. This is why I had an admiration towards the same sex. In puberty, this admiration became sexualized and at that point I had labeled myself as “gay”.
God is awesome and I am so greatful for all the things he has been doing in my life.
God Bless.

God bless you!!! I’m glad you’re following Jesus. I have two quick questions, if you don’t mind. When you identified as a homosexual, did you also feel attractions to the opposite sex? If so, to what degree?

Now that you are no longer gay, do you identify yourself as an “ex-Gay” who no longer feels same-sex attraction but also does not feel opposite-sex attraction, or do you now feel opposite-sex attraction?

 

[siamesecat]

I agree it’s certainly not mostly genetic, but I think it’s pretty awful to say it’s because parents didn’t bond with them properly or were bad role models of masculinity. Perhaps in some cases that contributed,but most gay people have other non-gay siblings raised in a similar environmentt by very attentive and normal parents. So you’ve got to come up with a better explanation than that. Whatever causes it, for most people it seems to occur so early in life that it’s very puzzling and seems at least somewhat innate (unlike, say, a woman who is raped as a teen and becomes more comfortable with women sexually), and obviously people are extremely unusccessful at ever beating it even when they desire to, unlke other emotional disorders. So it’s definitely something else, probably with more than one cause, who knows?

 

[centurionguard]

It doesn’t offend me at all.

It’s just that if there is a genetic factor at the root of homosexuality then it would certainly correlate statistically.

My gut feeling about it is that there probably are some cases of that. Very rare though. We had a kid in our high school class who was very unfortunate. He was more girl that boy and I can see how there must be some kind of genetic screw-up there, but in my whole life I have only encountered one like that. My sense of statistical occurances is confronted by that. I still think that most homosexuality is the results of poor or improper bonding during their formative years and it’s something that for them is totally overwhelming. It becomes a very complex matter very soon analytically speaking. And then frankly, there are still those who just don’t have a sense of morality. Another words… those who will stick it to anything if it moves, is wet and warm who call themselves bi-sexual, as if there could actually be such a thing as a “bisexual sexual orientation”… those people are simply depraved but want us to accept them as normal.

Hello Maso;

Sorry to answer you late on this. There is a subject of controversy that I have seen in genetic science that the Catholic Church has a differentiating host of inconclusive views on.
You made reference to ("as if there could actually be such a thing as a “bisexual sexual orientation”) Actually there was a recent scientific genetic investigation televised on the Discovery Channel with biological genetic reference to some humans born as a Hermaphrodite or as medical science would more appropriately define as Inter-sexuality. I have not been able to locate any concise reference to the Discovery Channel’s research on this subject matter. The only summary info I could dig up on this subject is from these sites below.

8e.devbio.com/article.php?id=266

madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-02/951254825.Dv.r.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite

Hermaphrodyte/Intersexuality is the state of a living thing of a gonochoristic species whose sex chromosomes, genitalia, and/or secondary sex characteristics are determined to be neither exclusively male nor female. An intersex organism may have biological characteristics of both the male and female sexes.[1] Intersexuality is the term adopted by medicine during the 20th century applied to human beings who cannot be classified as either male or female.[2][3][4] Intersexuality is also the word adopted by the identitary-political movement, to criticize medical protocols in sex assignment and to claim the right to be heard in the construction of a new one.

jax-inter.net/~help/sexdiff.html

healthyplace.com/COMMUNITIES/Gender/intersexuals/about_me.htm

From a catholic prospective I will conclude that there is an infinite number of unknowns in the biological design of the human genome with particular regard to genetic human deformities at birth. While some Catholics will be quick to conclude that such deformities are the result of sin in the world; I am not ready to assume with absolute assurance that all human beings who are born biologically deformed into this world can be categorized in such regard. I am not a expert on human genetics and there are extremely few on this C.A.F. site who would be qualified in such area. I along with other brothers and sisters here on this site must give credence to the Catholic Church’s teachings on the Morality of Sexual Ethics which applies to all people who call themselves devout Catholics.

In Brotherly Peace
Vivat Jesus
Yours in Christ
Chris

 

[centurionguard]

I agree it’s certainly not mostly genetic, but I think it’s pretty awful to say it’s because parents didn’t bond with them properly or were bad role models of masculinity. Perhaps in some cases that contributed,but most gay people have other non-gay siblings raised in a similar environmentt by very attentive and normal parents. So you’ve got to come up with a better explanation than that. Whatever causes it, for most people it seems to occur so early in life that it’s very puzzling and seems at least somewhat innate (unlike, say, a woman who is raped as a teen and becomes more comfortable with women sexually), and obviously people are extremely unusccessful at ever beating it even when they desire to, unlke other emotional disorders. So it’s definitely something else, probably with more than one cause, who knows?

 

[centurionguard]

I agree it’s certainly not mostly genetic, but I think it’s pretty awful to say it’s because parents didn’t bond with them properly or were bad role models of masculinity. Perhaps in some cases that contributed,but most gay people have other non-gay siblings raised in a similar environmentt by very attentive and normal parents. So you’ve got to come up with a better explanation than that. Whatever causes it, for most people it seems to occur so early in life that it’s very puzzling and seems at least somewhat innate (unlike, say, a woman who is raped as a teen and becomes more comfortable with women sexually), and obviously people are extremely unusccessful at ever beating it even when they desire to, unlke other emotional disorders. So it’s definitely something else, probably with more than one cause, who knows?

Some Replies Never Cease To Amaze Me

((((Quote: SO YOU’VE GOT TO COME UP WITH A BETTER EXPLANATION THAN THAT))))Unquote

Siamesecat; What are you implying here ? ? ?

 

[Formosus]

So I suspect that what your saying that even today’s scientist and their evidence would conclude that homosexuality is genetic ?
Or do you have solid information to back up your statement in this post ?

I do believe I have already made my point clear in an earlier post on this page or the page back. What I am saying where you quoted me, is that citing a source that is 30+ years old proves nothing because scientific understanding can change very quickly as better technology is made and more experiments have been done to test the hypothesis

 

[Maso]

Hello Maso;

Sorry to answer you late on this. … Actually there was a recent scientific genetic investigation… biological genetic reference to…Hermaphrodyte/Intersexuality is the state of a living thing of a gonochoristic species whose… From a catholic prospective I will conclude that …devout Catholics.

In Brotherly Peace
Vivat Jesus
Yours in Christ
Chris

Okay…

Seems like so called scientists and statistitions alike can and do hash out volumes of regurgitated and convoluted rational aimed at or geared to what ever conclusion it is that they are actually lobbying for at the time… I hope that is the more “gentlemanly” responce that you requested of me, although frankly…the simple answer for me is still… "That’s just B.S."

 

[centurionguard]

Okay…

Seems like so called scientists and statisticians alike can and do hash out volumes of regurgitated and convoluted rational aimed at or geared to what ever conclusion it is that they are actually lobbying for at the time… I hope that is the more “gentlemanly” response that you requested of me, although frankly…the simple answer for me is still… "That’s just B.S."

OK at this point I’m a little confused. Maybe you would like to elaborate and be more articulate on what you mean by B.S. and to reference which side you yourself preference ?

Are you adopting the scientific aspect of human genetics as your mainstay in this argument ?

Or are you choosing that which deals with humble faith in Catholic Morality pertaining in the area of Sexual Ethics ?

 

[Maso]

OK at this point I’m a little confused. Maybe you would like to elaborate and be more articulate on what you mean by B.S. and to reference which side you yourself preference ?

Are you adopting the scientific aspect of human genetics as your mainstay in this argument ?

Or are you choosing that which deals with humble faith in Catholic Morality pertaining in the area of Sexual Ethics ?

Huh…?!

What part of B.S. is it that you don’t understand…?

 

[Geremia]

Is being gay genetic? Folks, that is what gay activitists and leftist scientists are trying to have us believed. They are poisoning the mind of young folks. If they got the general public acceptance, then they can easily push their agenda i.e. same sex marriage, etc. I don’t think it is genetic, but a lifestyle.

From Romans 1:21,25-27,32, idolatry ⇒ homosexuality; therefore, homosexuality is not genetic but a choice:

Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God or given thanks: but became vain in their thoughts. And their foolish heart was darkened. …] Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause, God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts, one towards another: men with men, working that which is filthy and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error. …] Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death: and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

It takes two (man and woman) to variate genes and produce offspring. If gay people are genetically gay, they, as a subspecies, would die out thousand of years ago. They can’t reproduce themselves. Because they can’t reproduce, evolution has taken over. And they all die out. That is the reality of evolution if we believe in it. Am I right?

I have heard people theorize that if homosexuality is genetic, it is to control population sizes and prevent overpopulation, [THREAD=283880]which is a grossly exaggerated and propagandized issue today[/THREAD].

 

[Formosus]

I didn’t see anything there about idolatry. Really placing anything before God is idolatry but that doesn’t mean that homosexuality isn’t or is genetic. A hetrosexual man could be committing idolatry by placing his lust for women before God.

 

[Geremia]

I didn’t see anything there about idolatry. Really placing anything before God is idolatry but that doesn’t mean that homosexuality isn’t or is genetic

Idolatry is mentioned in the Romans 1 quote above:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Are you saying that idolatry, a sin, is genetic? If so, how can a sin be genetic? Sin is what separates us from God. Are parts of our human nature sinful? If so, Jesus being a human would contradict His being free of sin. Does not sin—our decision to turn away from God and worship idols instead—corrupt us, make us less human?

A hetrosexual man could be committing idolatry by placing his lust for women before God.

Yes, this can happen, too.

goofyjim:

The homosexaul attraction is most probably a genetic predispostion while the behavior is a choice.

Why make a distinction? Homosexual attraction and homosexual behavior are both sins but in varying degrees. It is analogous to how the command “whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Matthew 5:28), which commands against tempting oneself of the action of adultery, relates to the law “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” (Exodus 20:14), which simply commands against the action of adultery.

goofyjim:

But you’ll never hear a fair and balanced approach from either side of this heated argument. There is no sin in homosexual attraction just the act itself.

So, analogously, there is no sin in looking a woman lustfully yet there is sin in cheating on her? For the latter part, yes; for the former, no. Homosexuality is homosexuality; adultery is adultery; sin is sin.

 

[centurionguard]

Huh…?!

What part of B.S. is it that you don’t understand…?

Really now; do you actually believe I am interested in anything having to do with supporting the gay agenda ?

Give it a rest why don’t you please ?

Why can’t you be more positive and constructive in this thread instead of being so defensive as to create an affront

 

[pathia]

Okay…

Seems like so called scientists and statistitions alike can and do hash out volumes of regurgitated and convoluted rational aimed at or geared to what ever conclusion it is that they are actually lobbying for at the time… I hope that is the more “gentlemanly” responce that you requested of me, although frankly…the simple answer for me is still… "That’s just B.S."

I am one of this intersex individuals. Are you suggesting I don’t exist? That I am living BS? No one knows what you’re referring to with this reply.