Is impeachment of a President biblically justified?

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twf said:
Would it have? The US was horribly anti-Catholic as a society for its first couple centuries. The idea that the US is a divinely anointed city on a hill is not endorsed by the Church.
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I don’t believe the US is divinely anointed, and whether the Church endorses a government is irrelevant to me.
 
I can’t speak with authority on the topic, but I believe the 18th century magisterium was wary of democracy / republics in general still… and as I said, US culture was largely pretty anti-Catholic for the first while.

That said, I’m not saying no good came of the revolution.
 
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https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-2/56-judicial-review-of-impeachments.html Judicial review is foreclosed. Sorry for the bad news.
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No it’s not.
“But the Court’s “political question” analysis has broader application, and appears to place the whole impeachment process off limits to judicial review.”
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Your scenario would provide a case for the SCOTUS to further clarify judicial review and the impeachment process, because unlike Nixon, who most certainly was abusing his powers, the President in your scenario is being impeached for a non-offence. A SCOTUS ruling may also be overruled by another, as was the case with Brown v. Board of Education and Plessy v. Ferguson.
 
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If he committed 8moeachable offenses is a political question for our congress to decide. You or i.may disagree with them, but it would still be lawful.
 
That is correct. It is not a criminal case, it is a political case. A president has no means to appeal if he is voted out of office.
 
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America has government by the people, whose representatives have power to impeach.
How does that comport to an empire , Nero and Caligula?
 
That is true.

On the positive side, it looks as though this faux impeachment is going to result in the revelation of the Bidens’ misadventures.
 
Possibly. I am not interested in a political discussion on this forum about the merits of this case. I was just responding to wrong statements made by the OP.
 
Maximus1 said:
He will certainly be impeached.
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Who, Trump? I doubt it. The ones pressuring the Ukrainians were the Bidens. Apparently, Hunter Biden has been misbehaving all over the globe. With his father’s assistance.
 
bibcat said:
Romans 13:1-2

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

So scripture appears to imply that impeachment of a head of state is sinful. There’s a lot of discussion by our separated brethren over Romans 13 but little by Catholics. Opinions?
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The governing authority in the USA is the Congress, not the head of state.
 
The ones pressuring the Ukrainians are the Biden’s? That’s cute.
Are the Biden’s president?
Are the Biden’s enlisting help from foreign leaders as president, using office to leverage help? The answer is no. Of course not. 2016 was enough America does not need a President willing to enlist foreign actors in our elections. 2016;was enough.
 
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Maximus1 said:
The ones pressuring the Ukrainians are the Biden’s? That’s cute.
Are the Biden’s president?
Are the Biden’s enlisting help from foreign leaders as president, using office to leverage help? The answer is no. Of course not. 2016 was enough America does not need a President willing to enlist foreign actors in our elections. 2016;was enough.
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So let’s get this straight - Obama allegedly improperly pressures Ukraine to drop an investigation against Biden’s son, because Biden is his vice-President. And Trump out of his own mouth improperly pressures Ukraine to reopen that same investigation - this time because Biden is running against him.

Talk about the self-confessedly corrupt pot calling the allegedly corrupt kettle black!
 
Inviting foreign influence in our elections.
The issue in 2016. No collusion a thousand pleas and whales of victim.
How did it end? Trump says collusion in elections is perfectly ok. In fact since I beat the rap, I am engaging in earnest with gusto in Ukraine as Mueller is driving home. Ukraine to help me personally in 2020.
Hunter Biden has nothing to do with collusion 2020. Trump is daring checks and balances to stop him
 
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Dropping charges on Biden’s son. How did that effect the integrity and sovereignty of our election? If you can p(name removed by moderator)oint an answer, then I will consider your idea potentionally rational. Obama’s actions with Biden’s son affecting the 2020 election. Go ahead! I want you to have every opportunity
 
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Dropping charges on Biden’s son. How did that effect the integrity and sovereignty of our election? If you can p(name removed by moderator)oint an answer, then I will consider your idea potentionally rational. Obama’s actions with Biden’s son affecting the 2020 election. Go ahead! I want you to have every opportunity
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Not sure where you’re coming from here. In 2016 it had nothing to do with the integrity of the election, and I never said it did. It had everything to do with corruption - the US President (allegedly) improperly pressuring a foreign government in relation to a criminal investigation because of how the investigation would reflect on the (then) incumbent Vice-President.

Now, however, given the allegation that Biden was also involved in the dropping of the investigation, it does affect the integrity of the 2020 election. It is a similar act of corruption - the sitting US President improperly pressuring a foreign government to re-open the same criminal investigation - but this time will potentially dig up dirt on someone who is now a Presidential candidate. Trump supporters are banking on it that it will.

I was noting the similarity of the (alleged) corrupt actions, not claiming that the motives were the same in each case or that each would affect the respective election.
 
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Corruption? That’s the link? I see. Lol
So Hunter Biden making large bank via politics is plucked from the sky. In Trump’s 70+ years, meaningless.
In his first two and one half years, meaningless.
Biden runs, Trump’s single minded focus on himself says MEANINGFUL. Enough to create another Mueller investigation but who cares about the country.
This impeachment inquiry is about putting the nation through the grinder so he has dirt. Just like 2016.
It is about his treasonous willingness to compromise our Democratic institutions because only benefit to him personally matters.
Not corruption. Every ten seconds in Washington there is corruption.
Trump doesn’t give a hoot about Hunter Biden’s corruption. Zero. Nada. Nothing.
Hunter Biden does not affect our elections. It is a rediculous lazy minded comparison.
Of course if reports are accurate, the Whistleblower complaint is at hand.
Damning facts, different phone calls, witnesses and documents.
Certain to remove Trump’s arguments( like his TV justification of withholding money because Europe did not pay enough…an argument that lasted 12 hours when it was revealed they pay twice what we do. )
Naturally, Trump will bounce into a brand new lie, and his minions will pick it up and claim it truth since Noah exited the ark.
No matter. The issues are simple, digestible, and capable of defending from obfuscation. And facts are coming
 
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Maximus1 said:
Corruption? That’s the link? I see. Lol
So Hunter Biden making large bank via politics is plucked from the sky. In Trump’s 70+ years, meaningless.
In his first two and one half years, meaningless.
Biden runs, Trump’s single minded focus on himself says MEANINGFUL. Enough to create another Mueller investigation but who cares about the country.
This impeachment inquiry is about putting the nation through the grinder so he has dirt. Just like 2016.
It is about his treasonous willingness to compromise our Democratic institutions because only benefit to him personally matters.
Not corruption. Every ten seconds in Washington there is corruption.
Trump doesn’t give a hoot about Hunter Biden’s corruption. Zero. Nada. Nothing.
Hunter Biden does not affect our elections. It is a rediculous lazy minded comparison.
Of course if reports are accurate, the Whistleblower complaint is at hand.
Damning facts, different phone calls, witnesses and documents.
Certain to remove Trump’s arguments( like his TV justification of withholding money because Europe did not pay enough…an argument that lasted 12 hours when it was revealed they pay twice what we do. )
Naturally, Trump will bounce into a brand new lie, and his minions will pick it up and claim it truth since Noah exited the ark.
No matter. The issues are simple, digestible, and capable of defending from obfuscation. And facts are coming
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??? Please don’t tell me you thought I was on Trump’s side in this one. He is the pot, remember?
 
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