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I thought we were all one race…the human race?
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gardenswithkids
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Inter-racial marriage are *not *wrong. However, today some homosexuals and a few other misguided people wrongly compare same-sex unions to inter-racial marriages. Since you asked about inter-racial marriage, I’d like to address how mixed-gender/mixed-marriages are very different from same-sex, (ironically, often same-race) unions.
Inter-racial marriage involves one male and one female. They are mixed gender marriages. Together, the sexual union of a man and woman can produce children. It’s how kids are made. Sexual relations are best kept within marriage because (among other reasons) children benefit from having both a mother and a father raise them. Children produced from inter-racial marriages typically have a loving mother and father who are married to each other–and that’s good for kids!
Might their children have conflict? Of course–all kids face conflict of* some* type conflict while growing up! Learning how to deal with conflict is part of growing up. One of the jobs of a mother and father is to help teach their children that. Inter-racial marriages can provide both a loving mother and a loving father for the children produced through their marriage union.
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rapunzel77
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There is nothing wrong with interracial marriages. In fact, people who have this belief seem to not know history very well. For thousands of years there have been interracial marriages. The Church has NEVER condemned them. Again, look at the situation in the Americas under the Spanish. Granted, there were caste systems and that wasn’t helpful. However, there was a lot of racial mixing in Mexico, the Caribbean, Central and South America. So much so that a new culture was born. We are all connected as being a part of the human race. God does not show favoritism to different colors, etc. As for as the charge that certain cultures are inferior while others are superior, I find that to be mostly silly too. The reason why is because cultures come and go. They experience periods of great prosperity and experience periods of great poverty. I wouldn’t be so quick to say that the European/Caucasian culture is the most superior. Granted, European culture was given a great gift (ie. the Church). However, that isn’t the case much anymore. There is good in all cultures as well as bad.
What is more important is if the prospective spouse is a faithful Catholic and who knows how to treat each other well and can hold a job, etc. Those things are MUCH more important than the color of their skin.
What is more important is if the prospective spouse is a faithful Catholic and who knows how to treat each other well and can hold a job, etc. Those things are MUCH more important than the color of their skin.
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Alexander_Smith
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Exactly. It greatly offends me when people act as if only Jews were executed during the Holocaust. The fact is, millions more were murdered in the hands of communist Russia, China, and other countries. As for the Holocaust, 5 million of the 11 million dead were not Jews, in fact, 3 million of them were Catholics and Christians. Priests and other religious were specifically targeted during WW2 as well. The Jews have not somehow suffered more than any other race or group in history.
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Zeemeermin
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http://bestsmileys.com/puking/1.gif to your whole post. Thank God your kind are dying out. And just FYI… you never know how “white” you aren’t, buttercup! My “white” German-Irish-Northern Italian husband just found out that there’s a full blooded Delaware Indian woman in his lineage, only three generations back.
Hitler agreed with you. He made a treaty with the Japanese and justified it by calling them “honorary Aryans.” However, I have no doubt that if the war in Russia had gone better, they would have been next on his racial kill list.
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rapunzel77
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Exactly. Considering the history of conquest and migration of people from one region to another there is no telling what sort of “blood” is in each of us. We are all part of the human race and it is very un Catholic to maintain that there needs to be separation of the races. Remember that in Christ there is no Jew or Greek or Male/ Female, black or white, etc, etc. We are all one in Christ. we are all brothers and sisters.
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BlueShadow123
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No!
God made all of us humans and we’re all the same thing. there is no such thing as ‘race’, if we came from two people. we just all look different. nothing wrong with that. humans are the ones that made ‘race’ up. its just a shade of skin color. we’re all equal in the eyes of god. a human is a human, race should not matter, and if it does, you have issues.
God made all of us humans and we’re all the same thing. there is no such thing as ‘race’, if we came from two people. we just all look different. nothing wrong with that. humans are the ones that made ‘race’ up. its just a shade of skin color. we’re all equal in the eyes of god. a human is a human, race should not matter, and if it does, you have issues.
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Zeemeermin
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Okay, I know I already commented, but can I just say that I ADORE the fact that this kind of biological ignorance is the best argument the white supremacist can come up with? (Deny it all you want, but white power organizations are the only people who use these arguments.)
The animal examples are all different species trying to mate with one another. Biologically, if two organisms can mate and produce offspring capable of reproducing, they are the same species. So all humans are the same species, obviously. Things like mules, where a donkey mates with a horse, are not, because their offspring is sterile.
As for sickle cell anemia, it’s a recessive trait. In order for a child to actually have sickle-cell anemia, both parents must be carriers. As the vast majority of carriers are black, this is actually a biological argument FOR blacks to mate with non-blacks! If one parent does not carry sickle cell trait, the child will not have the condition.
:dancing: It’s like a parade to “March of the Clowns.”
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Let me echo the poster who pointed out that this post is full of ignorance. Count me as squeamish, I suppose: there is nothing that upsets the stomach like ignorance posing as knowledge.
If two animals can mate and produce viable fertile offspring under conditions existing in nature, they are the same species. That is what the word means.
Look up “heterozygote advantage”, and you’ll learn about theoretical advantages to be expected when one has parents from two very different gene pools. Quick hint: with two copies of the sickle cell gene, a person gets sickle-cell anemia, while with only one copy, the person enjoys resistance to malaria.
As hard as it was to accomplish, the last comment is perhaps even more astonishing than the previous ones. It is impossible to define “race” in a way even remotely rooted in biology that would allow a person to conclude that a Japanese person is the same race as someone of Italian descent, while both the Japanese person and the Italian person are of different races than a third person whose parents were from Eygpt.
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I hope this question means: May two people ethically marry if they know their children will be the victims of injustice? After all, any two people in a society that hates them both could conclude that their children will grow up with harrassment, whether or not they were from the same or different groups.
Two people are required to pay attention to any factor that they think bodes ill for the survival of their marriage, but that depends on the two people, not on whether they are the same race. It is not wrong for a white to marry a black, any more than it is wrong for a cat person to marry a dog person. Just like any other couple, the couple must be unreserved in their resolve and commitment to not let any obstacle defeat their intention to honor their vows. If racial differences did that, a weakness in the person would be the cause, not their race. The fictional Romeo and Juliet were of the same race. They just didn’t have the maturity to handle the difficulties their families caused them in a moral way.
As for the children, you cannot know what immoral choices other people will make. You can be certain that your children will be exposed to temptations to sin, and that they will be the victims of the sins of others. A marriage might be avoided if it is judged too likely to imperil the immortal souls of children of the marriage, but it would be a stretch to conclude this is a result of race.
IOW, race only matters if the couple makes it matter. It’s their choice.
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Wowbagger
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I demand citations. Peer reviewed studies on the overall impact of racial mingling.
Where would I start reading?
Incidentally, since East German skinheads are ideologically racist, their involvement is therefore a cultural phenomenon, not an inherently racial one. They’re a point in my column, not yours.
They’re no longer racial eugenicists, because of the total lack of science behind that notion. But the Left has become no less willing to liquidate large populations in the name of “Progress.” Most abortion clinics are in poor neighborhoods. 90% of mentally retarded kids are killed in the womb. Leftists are also responsible for our recent pushes towards euthanasia and rationed health care. The eugenic spirit has gone underground over there, but Progressivism is an ideology that fundamentally values society and culture over individual human dignity; it can’t help but be eugenic.
Political correctness is a strain of thought by which the Left unconsciously maintains their illusion that their position fundamentally makes any sense at all. P.C. is a tool to shut down critical thought from the right (by labeling it “bigotry”), and to close off serious inquiries into the philosophical implications of their own beliefs (by labeling it “ludicrous”). We saw this most recently in 2003, when, immediately after Lawrence v. Texas was handed down, liberals hilariously argued that repealing anti-sodomy laws would never, ever, ever lead to a legal justification or popular support for same-sex marriage! They mocked anyone who suggested otherwise as “extremist” or simply “ludicrous”! Less than seven years later, liberalism has not only forgotten that they ever held that position, but they have gone ahead and labeled their own previous position bigoted!
Everyone has a certain amount of political correctness, mind you, including conservatives. P.C. is a natural extension of the human instinct to agree with yourself and to use language that affirms yourself. And – frankly – some political correctness is appropriate and could otherwise be called “decorum.” However, extreme Leftist political correctness is enforced on our culture because Progressives still control most media outlets and worldwide mass culture. That’s not a far-flung conspiracy, but it is an empirical fact.
…and? I’m appalled with the state of Blacks in the United States, too. It’s hard not to be, what with the achievement gap, the pay gap, the incarceration gap, and the total destruction of Black family life outside the too-small Black middle class.
However, the fact that I am appalled does not mean that I must impute the causes of the disaster to genetic makeup. Blacks in the U.S. were destroyed by well-meaning but highly destructive economic and anti-poverty programs which created powerfully bad economic incentives. These incentives, combined with the destructive ideology of sexual liberation in the 1960’s and '70’s, as well as the contemporary advent of “affirmative action” policies, led a huge part of the African-American racial community into an economic hell of familial self-destruction and generationalized welfare. Had my own Irish race happened to have the bad luck to be poor in the 1960’s instead of the Blacks, the same thing would have happened to us.
The tragedy resulted from a potent combination of economics, culture, and ideology (mostly perpetrated by well-meaning white politicians), not race.
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Oh, come now! This is pure sophistry! The atomic bombings killed a quarter of a million people, out of a Japanese population of 75 million. That’s 0.32% of the population. Everyone who fought in WWII – US, UK, USSR, Germany, Japan, France, Italy, and a dozen other countries suffered far, far greater death tolls than the atom bombs ever inflicted.
Now, if we take into account overall death tolls, and not just the two atomic raindrops in the ocean of death that was WWII, we’ll find that Japan did suffer (comparatively) quite a lot, losing 3.78% of its pre-war population in the conflict. The U.K. lost only 1% of its pre-war population, and the U.S. just 0.32%. But the Japanese were hardly the hardest hit: Greece at least 4%, Yugoslavia 7%, the Soviet Union 14%, and Poland 16%. Jewish deaths in the Holocaust eclipsed all other casualty rates, accounting for the deaths of a whopping 39% of the worldwide Jewish population, or an estimated 62% of European Judaism. Only the Gypsies may have suffered as much, and it’s hard to say, because pre-war population estimates for them are much harder to come by.
I know treating all these deaths for purely statistical purposes may come across as a little callous, but I’m trying to make a point. Namely, your conception of WWII casualties, by nation, by economic impact, or by racial group, bear little connection to reality.
I hope that helps, 1sicht!
History, people! We need to teach more history!
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Rascalking
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Simply put, no, interracial marraige are not, and never will be wrong. There is a world of difference between a man and a woman, and there are no differences between the races.
I have a dog in the fight. The most important woman in my life (aside from my dear old mom) is African-American. We dated for many years and almost married. We still may someday.
I have a dog in the fight. The most important woman in my life (aside from my dear old mom) is African-American. We dated for many years and almost married. We still may someday.
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Bailey2
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I haven’t been here for a while and I must say I sure did laugh at this thread. Here is some science (even though it is a religious thread)
*"Will genetic anthropology establish scientific criteria for race or ethnicity?
DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other. Indeed, it has been proven that there is more genetic variation within races than exists between them.*
What this means is that we are not birds or other animals and different races are not cross mating.
This comes from here: ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/humanmigration.shtml
Enjoy, it is very interesting and enlightening.
And God made HUMANS. Blessed be His name!
*"Will genetic anthropology establish scientific criteria for race or ethnicity?
DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other. Indeed, it has been proven that there is more genetic variation within races than exists between them.*
What this means is that we are not birds or other animals and different races are not cross mating.
This comes from here: ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/humanmigration.shtml
Enjoy, it is very interesting and enlightening.
And God made HUMANS. Blessed be His name!
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DexUK
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Great big to Wowbagger.
to Wowbagger.
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LDNCatholic
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Thank you!
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LDNCatholic
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Some basic biology wouldn’t go amiss either. The last two days on these forums my head has been aching with all the bad science, or just outright rejection of science.
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Rascalking
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Ug! Typical science buff-talking about how all us peons don’t know anything about science!
Dude (or dudette) I’m TOTALLY teasing with you. I’m the literary/arts/humanities geek who HATED all my science classes in high school/college. I think both of us-artistic geeks and science geeks love to think about how the other doesn’t know anything about our topic. I admit I know nothing about science.
I’m just having some fun. Please don’t take my post too seriously.
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DexUK
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After reading the bilge on those posts, some jest is very welcome, otherwise I think I might just have gone off pop!
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