Is invincible ignorance a thin line to travel for Protestants?

[inocente]

Hi back

allow me to explain.

As I said previously, depending on the scripture translation one uses, will depend on the term(s) used in the following scripture passage. Whether it’s division/sedition/factions that is used, one can see, these acts according to Paul, i.e. the Holy spirit, i.e. Jesus, are condemned in scripture. The following passage is from one of the popular Protestant transaltions ( NIV),

all emphasis mine

Gal 5: 19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God

Looking at the consequence for dissensions and factions for example, If one is in them at death, will keep their soul out of heaven…true? That’s another way of saying the consequence for THAT sin, identifies a sin as mortal. Mortal sins are sins that can send a soul to hell, as Paul states. It also shows, that one who is in these sins while alive, is a ticking time bomb. i.e. living in mortal sin, they are just one heartbeat away from an eternity of disaster for their soul. That’s because none of us knows the second this life will end and the next begins…true? Paul had to restate his warning over and over for his hearers, because obviously some weren’t taking him seriously.

Jiminy cricket, tell me you didn’t just do that. I’ve seen Catholic posters pick verses out of context, I even met one who didn’t know the difference between a chapter and a verse, but you just isolated two words and gave them your own meaning!

CCC 110 In order to discover the sacred authors’ intention, the reader must take into account the conditions of their time and culture, the literary genres in use at that time, and the modes of feeling, speaking and narrating then current. “For the fact is that truth is differently presented and expressed in the various types of historical writing, in prophetical and poetical texts, and in other forms of literary expression.”

The letter you quote from isn’t very long, please read it all, as if you are sat in a church in Galatia hearing it read out. Paul warns against the “dissensions, factions” who are saying that to be saved, Christians must observe the whole of the law of Moses. He says no, we walk by the Spirit not by the Law, by faith not works alone, that is what sets us free, that make us a new creation. The letter is nothing to do with admin or petite worries about getting to heaven, it is at the very heart of what it means to follow Christ!

*For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!

You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?*

 

[steve_b]

Jiminy cricket, tell me you didn’t just do that. I’ve seen Catholic posters pick verses out of context, I even met one who didn’t know the difference between a chapter and a verse, but you just isolated two words and gave them your own meaning
CCC 110 In order to discover the sacred authors’ intention, the reader must take into account the conditions of their time and culture, the literary genres in use at that time, and the modes of feeling, speaking and narrating then current. “For the fact is that truth is differently presented and expressed in the various types of historical writing, in prophetical and poetical texts, and in other forms of literary expression.”
The letter you quote from isn’t very long, please read it all, as if you are sat in a church in Galatia hearing it read out. Paul warns against the “dissensions, factions” who are saying that to be saved, Christians must observe the whole of the law of Moses.

The teaching has alredy been given. Those who take issue with what Paul is saying, are causing division. It’s condemned
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He says no, we walk by the Spirit not by the Law, by faith not works alone, that is what sets us free, that make us a new creation. The letter is nothing to do with admin or petite worries about getting to heaven, it is at the very heart of what it means to follow Christ!
For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

the passage I quoted mentions acts of the flesh that are condemned. He lists

• sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.

What’s so difficult about understanding any of that?

The highlighted word in red, I said was from the NIV translation.

In the Greek that word is

• διχοστασία *dichostasia = *seditions,dissension, division. The NIV translation which I used previously, uses “dissension” there

As one can see, whether one uses sedition, dissension, or division, what I said previously has not been taken out of context. Go back and read what I said again. Is there something specifically you have in mind?

 

[Sirach2]

Trying to take a neutral stand here, but I think if we present it another way from the scriptures, it will coincide well with what Steve has said.

2 Tim. 2:16, “But avoid profane and empty babblings, for they contribute much to ungodliness and their speech spreads like a cancer.”

Titus 3:9, “But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and quarrels and disputes about the Law, for they are useless and futile. A factious man avoid . . .”

 

[inocente]

steve_b:
The teaching has alredy been given. Those who take issue with what Paul is saying, are causing division. It’s condemned

the passage I quoted mentions acts of the flesh that are condemned. He lists

• sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.

What’s so difficult about understanding any of that?

The highlighted word in red, I said was from the NIV translation.

In the Greek that word is

• διχοστασία *dichostasia = *seditions,dissension, division. The NIV translation which I used previously, uses “dissension” there

As one can see, whether one uses sedition, dissension, or division, what I said previously has not been taken out of context. Go back and read what I said again. Is there something specifically you have in mind?
You seem to be misinterpreting big-time and it doesn’t look like you understood anything I wrote. Maybe you could join a bible class or something.

Here are some Catholic commentaries on the letter to the Galatians along with one I would use, I expect they all say pretty much the same.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=182526 (thread with references)
oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Epistle_to_the_Galatians
studylight.org/com/mhc-com/view.cgi?book=ga&chapter=005

 

[steve_b]

You seem to be misinterpreting big-time and it doesn’t look like you understood anything I wrote. Maybe you could join a bible class or something.

Your response didn’t address what I wrote.
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Here are some Catholic commentaries on the letter to the Galatians along with one I would use, I expect they all say pretty much the same.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=182526 (thread with references)
oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Epistle_to_the_Galatians
studylight.org/com/mhc-com/view.cgi?book=ga&chapter=005

iow you don’t have an answer to what I posted.

 

[inocente]

Your response didn’t address what I wrote.

iow you don’t have an answer to what I posted.

I addressed it by saying you’re misinterpreting Paul. If you think I’m wrong then show me a commentary on Galatians 5 from those I gave or from any other authentic Catholic source, which agrees with you, but I don’t debate private interpretations which isolate verses out of context.

In context, remember Paul’s warning: If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. - Gal 5:15

 

[inocente]

Trying to take a neutral stand here, but I think if we present it another way from the scriptures, it will coincide well with what Steve has said.

2 Tim. 2:16, “But avoid profane and empty babblings, for they contribute much to ungodliness and their speech spreads like a cancer.”

Titus 3:9, "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and quarrels and disputes about the Law, for they are useless and futile. A factious man avoid . .

Sorry, missed this post. I couldn’t agree more that it’s foolish to quarrel with private interpretations of scripture, which is why I’m refusing the ironic notion of forming factions by dissenting from Paul’s intended meaning of “dissensions, factions”.

My take on all this is For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. - Romans 14

 

[steve_b]

I addressed it by saying you’re misinterpreting Paul. If you think I’m wrong then show me a commentary on Galatians 5 from those I gave or from any other authentic Catholic source, which agrees with you, but I don’t debate private interpretations which isolate verses out of context.

In context, remember Paul’s warning: If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. - Gal 5:15

Please tell me you don’t think (διχοστασία *dichostasia = seditions,dissension, division.) *is restricted to only Judaisers in that passage, and no other group who would ever come along causing sedition, dissension or division in the Church… . Groups like and including

judaizers
Gnostics
Arianists
Montanists
Marcionists
Donatists
Manichaeists
Sabellianists
Nestorianists
Docetists

And yes 1500 years later, Protestants

These are all christians, who caused seditions, dissensions and divisions in the Church insisting they are right and the Church is wrong.

 

[guanophore]

The letter you quote from isn’t very long, please read it all, as if you are sat in a church in Galatia hearing it read out. Paul warns against the “dissensions, factions” who are saying that to be saved, Christians must observe the whole of the law of Moses. He says no, we walk by the Spirit not by the Law, by faith not works alone, that is what sets us free, that make us a new creation. The letter is nothing to do with admin or petite worries about getting to heaven, it is at the very heart of what it means to follow Christ!

We are in agreement that context is important, and yes, Paul is addressing the Judiazers. But the statement about factions applies universally. The Apostles taught that there is One Faith, and that we are to be of ONE MIND.

We are also in agreement that the letter has “nothing to do with admin or petite worries about getting to heaven”. The battle that Paul was fighting with the Galations was of the utmost importance in getting the Galations to heaven. They were in danger of starting with grace and ending in works, jeapardizing their eternal souls.

The factions and divisions addressed by the Apostles and their successors are NEVER admin or petite worries", but always critical to the souls of the faithful.

When we look at the documents written by the successors of the Apostles, we see that there was One Church, called Catholic, and that it was organized around the bishop, the successor to the Apostle. This is still true today.

 

[inocente]

Please tell me you don’t think (διχοστασία *dichostasia = **seditions,dissension, division.) *is restricted to only Judaisers in that passage, and no other group who would ever come along causing sedition, dissension or division in the Church… . Groups like and including

judaizers
Gnostics
Arianists
Montanists
Marcionists
Donatists
Manichaeists
Sabellianists
Nestorianists
Docetists

And yes 1500 years later, Protestants

These are all christians, who caused seditions, dissensions and divisions in the Church insisting they are right and the Church is wrong.

The letter isn’t a discourse on dissent in general, it’s addressed to specific churches about ongoing dissent within those churches.

The equivalent today would be Baptists right now causing strife by undermining the leadership of my church, or Catholics doing the same in yours - is that what Cafeteria Catholicism means?

 

[inocente]

We are in agreement that context is important, and yes, Paul is addressing the Judiazers. But the statement about factions applies universally. The Apostles taught that there is One Faith, and that we are to be of ONE MIND.

Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others. - Philippians 2

Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. - 1 Peter 3

Agreed, we were both called by the same shepherd, we both belong to the same Lord.

*We are also in agreement that the letter has “nothing to do with admin or petite worries about getting to heaven”. The battle that Paul was fighting with the Galations was of the utmost importance in getting the Galations to heaven. They were in danger of starting with grace and ending in works, jeapardizing their eternal souls.

The factions and divisions addressed by the Apostles and their successors are NEVER admin or petite worries", but always critical to the souls of the faithful.*

Agreed.

When we look at the documents written by the successors of the Apostles, we see that there was One Church, called Catholic, and that it was organized around the bishop, the successor to the Apostle. This is still true today.

Isn’t that argument circular, as you’ll agree with it if you’re not sola scriptura and won’t if you are?

 

[guanophore]

The letter isn't a discourse on dissent in general, it's addressed to specific churches about ongoing dissent within those churches.

This is a weak arguement, since the letter was prompted by, and addresses itself to a specific dissent. There are a number of statements made in it that do apply to dissent in general. It also addresses heterodox practices as is the case in the letters in Revelation.

The bottom line is that Jesus gave His authority to teach to His Apostles. As the Father sent Him, so he sends them. He replaced the Pharisess on the Seat of Moses as the Teaching Authority.

The Apostles then commanded that no dissentions, factions or heterodoxy be taught or tolerated. For the Apostles, there is only One Church throughout all. All need to be of the same mind with regard to doctrine.

The equivalent today would be Baptists right now causing strife by undermining the leadership of my church, or Catholics doing the same in yours - is that what Cafeteria Catholicism means?

Yes, some cafeteria Catholics do try to lead the faithful away from the Truth by departing from the Apostolic Teaching, just as Baptists do. I would say they are more culpable, though, because they have access to the fullness of faith, and refuse to educate themselves or to obey the faith, whereas Baptists more often have been misled from the beginning, so have never known the fullness of the faith.

 

[guanophore]

Isn’t that argument circular, as you’ll agree with it if you’re not sola scriptura and won’t if you are?

Not at all. Sola Scriptura is a non-Apostolic, non-Biblical doctrine that produces the fruit of division and factiousness. We can see the effects of it from the time it was established by Luther during the Reformation until now. Luther was horrified that the use of this doctrine produced abandonment of the One Church, and produced a plethora of private interpretations. Today we can see that the division and factions have continued to multiply over the past 500 years.

 

[steve_b]

The letter isn’t a discourse on dissent in general, it’s addressed to specific churches about ongoing dissent within those churches.

That’s a distinction without a difference. The passage I quoted was giving sins of the flesh. It’s for everyone to take heed not just the Galatians. And evidence of those who will not inherit heaven are those who live in these sins. And Paul list the sins

• sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.

Notice that the same word (διχοστασία dichostasia = seditions,dissension, division.) was used also in [Rom 16:17-21]. Note also, this sin is included with the other global sins.

Paul writing to the Church of Rome

Rom 16: 17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people. 19 Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I am full of joy over you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil. 20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.
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The equivalent today would be Baptists right now causing strife by undermining the leadership of my church, or Catholics doing the same in yours - is that what Cafeteria Catholicism means?

Baptists came into existence in England in the early seventeenth century. They apparently emerged out of the Puritan-Separatist movement in the Church of England. And we know who the Church of England broke from… the Catholic Church…more specifically the pope in Rome… And that serial division in Protestantism continues down to our day. So to answer your question, the only equivilence here is that I draw your attention to Rom 16:17… above and how Protestantism will have to answer for their division in their beginning, from the Church of Rome…

Note that division, is an act of the flesh, that is condemned along with all those other acts of the flesh. Once one knows the sin, one needs to end the sin in order to be forgiven of it. One can’t just they are sorry and have no intention of ending the sin.

 

[inocente]

This is a weak arguement, since the letter was prompted by, and addresses itself to a specific dissent. There are a number of statements made in it that do apply to dissent in general. It also addresses heterodox practices as is the case in the letters in Revelation.

The bottom line is that Jesus gave His authority to teach to His Apostles. As the Father sent Him, so he sends them. He replaced the Pharisess on the Seat of Moses as the Teaching Authority.

The Apostles then commanded that no dissentions, factions or heterodoxy be taught or tolerated. For the Apostles, there is only One Church throughout all. All need to be of the same mind with regard to doctrine.

And yet my bible doesn’t say If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have commands, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have commands, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have commands, I gain nothing.

And it doesn’t say the same mind as a rulebook, it says the same mind as Christ.

Yes, some cafeteria Catholics do try to lead the faithful away from the Truth by departing from the Apostolic Teaching, just as Baptists do. I would say they are more culpable, though, because they have access to the fullness of faith, and refuse to educate themselves or to obey the faith, whereas Baptists more often have been misled from the beginning, so have never known the fullness of the faith.

I belong to Christ, so to me you just said Christ misled me .

Imho “fullness of faith” is dangerous, it might be a temptation. Once we know Christ, going off searching for more is like saying His sacrifice wasn’t enough. And Christ isn’t about honors degrees: Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.

Plenty of my real life Catholic friends found their way to Christ without legalism. They too belong to the Lord, and no one but Him gets to judge us.

 

[inocente]

Not at all. Sola Scriptura is a non-Apostolic, non-Biblical doctrine that produces the fruit of division and factiousness. We can see the effects of it from the time it was established by Luther during the Reformation until now. Luther was horrified that the use of this doctrine produced abandonment of the One Church, and produced a plethora of private interpretations. Today we can see that the division and factions have continued to multiply over the past 500 years.

Like I said, circular argument, all you’re doing is rewording your premise.

We cannot rerun history so we’ll never know how the world would have turned out without the reformation. Maybe better, maybe worse. Maybe is was God’s plan, maybe not. Maybe if we all went to the same church we could carpool.

 

[inocente]

That’s a distinction without a difference. The passage I quoted was giving sins of the flesh. It’s for everyone to take heed not just the Galatians. And evidence of those who will not inherit heaven are those who live in these sins. And Paul list the sins

• sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.

Notice that the same word (διχοστασία dichostasia = seditions,dissension, division.) was used also in [Rom 16:17-21]. Note also, this sin is included with the other global sins.

Paul writing to the Church of Rome

Rom 16: 17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people. 19 Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I am full of joy over you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil. 20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.

You quoted Romans 16:17. Read it from my position - someone I only just met on the other end of the Internet is putting obstacles in my way that are contrary to the teaching I have learned. I already said I don’t debate private interpretations of scripture, I asked you to quote a Catholic commentary which confirms your conclusion on Galatians 5 and you haven’t. Until you do the only destination for this conversation is Nowheresville Arizona.

*Baptists came into existence in England in the early seventeenth century. They apparently emerged out of the Puritan-Separatist movement in the Church of England. And we know who the Church of England broke from… the Catholic Church…more specifically the pope in Rome… And that serial division in Protestantism continues down to our day. So to answer your question, the only equivilence here is that I draw your attention to Rom 16:17… above and how Protestantism will have to answer for their division in their beginning, from the Church of Rome…

Note that division, is an act of the flesh, that is condemned along with all those other acts of the flesh. Once one knows the sin, one needs to end the sin in order to be forgiven of it. One can’t just they are sorry and have no intention of ending the sin.*

PS something on your computer is generating lots of spurious font and color html tags - to see them press the quote button on your post.

 

[guanophore]

 And yet my bible doesn't say *If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have commands, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have commands, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have commands, I gain nothing.*

Love is not opposite to obedience to God’s commandments. On the contrary, He says:

John 14:15-16

15 "If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

And

Luke 10:16

16 “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

So your arguement has become even weaker. Love requires obedience. In this case, theApostle is instructing the factions in Galatia not to have any divisions. This has been the unbroken teaching of the Church since He established her on the foundation of the Apostles and prophets. There is One Fatih, and One Church. Those who love Christ will be obedient to her.

And it doesn’t say the same mind as a rulebook, it says the same mind as Christ.

And who has the mind of Christ? The Apostles, and those who are united to them.

I belong to Christ, so to me you just said Christ misled me :eek:.]/quote]

I think you need to read what I wrote. I think it is pretty clear that I am referring to the Baptist church. As one who has sojourned among my Baptist brethren I have personal experience of where their congregation has departed from the Apostolic faith. I also have personal experience with many devoted Baptists, perhaps you are one of them, who have been reared on falsehoods, and embraced them unknowingly. I am comparing ignorant Catholics who don’t know and follow their faith.
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Imho “fullness of faith” is dangerous, it might be a temptation. Once we know Christ, going off searching for more is like saying His sacrifice wasn’t enough. And Christ isn’t about honors degrees: Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.

I am sure you are sincere in your faith. If you wish to sit outside and eat your slice of bread while the sumptuous feast lies on the other side of the door, that is your perogative. However, knowing that a faith communion exists that has clung to the faith of the Apostles where the Reformers walked away from it, you are now culpable for your choice.

Plenty of my real life Catholic friends found their way to Christ without legalism. They too belong to the Lord, and no one but Him gets to judge us.

If they have done this, then they are also able to keep his commandments, by grace, through faith. And if they have done this,then they will receive the successors of the Apostles as they receive Christ, and in hearing them, they hear Christ. And if they have done this, they will not tolerate factions and divisions, for He has founded One Church, and committed to the Apostles One Faith.

 

[inocente]

So your arguement has become even weaker. Love requires obedience. In this case, theApostle is instructing the factions in Galatia not to have any divisions.

I don’t think it works like that, love reduced to commands, teaching reduced to diktat.

I am sure you are sincere in your faith. If you wish to sit outside and eat your slice of bread while the sumptuous feast lies on the other side of the door, that is your perogative. However, knowing that a faith communion exists that has clung to the faith of the Apostles where the Reformers walked away from it, you are now culpable for your choice.

Oh bless. But no, you can’t judge me, I belong to the Lord not to anonymous pixels on the internet, so thanks for your concern but you can take back your guilt trip.

You may not have intended it, but rather than a sumptuous feast my impression from your posts is of dour monochrome serried ranks repeating unrelenting dogma by rote, each day more pointless, party pooping by the numbers, conform or be punished for ever and ever Amen.

It sounds less appealing than starring in a road traffic accident, and nothing like the religion of my real-life Catholic friends. Any chance of lightening up a bit dude, is everything OK in your neck of the woods?

 

[steve_b]

You quoted Romans 16:17. Read it from my position - someone I only just met on the other end of the Internet is putting obstacles in my way that are contrary to the teaching I have learned.
I already said I don’t debate private interpretations of scripture, I asked you to quote a Catholic commentary which confirms your conclusion on Galatians 5 and you haven’t. Until you do the only destination for this conversation is Nowheresville Arizona.

Since the topic of this thread:
“is invincible ignorance, a thin line to travel for Protestants”

I took the approach of discussing Protestantism’s division from the Catholic Church in the interest of dispelling any lack of knowledge in the area of

• the seriousness of the sin of division from the Catholic Church,
• and once a person knows they are divided, and knows the consequence to one’s soul if they remain divided
• then the person can make their decision.

(διχοστασία dichostasia = seditions,dissension, division) used in both [Rom 16:17-21] and [Gal 5:19-21] and as we see the act is condemned

By asking me for a commentary on that word, I think you’re thinking that word ONLY applies to 1st century Judaizers. That interpretation would be like saying the other sins listed in the same string of sins, “sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions,(διχοστασία dichostasia = seditions,dissension, division), factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like”. only applies to 1st century Judaizers as well. That interpretation would be silly. All those sins apply to everyone in any century.

And Judaizers were just one of a whole bunch of other Christians in history, who divided (διχοστασία dichostasia = seditions,dissension, division.) from the Catholic Church because they insisted on applying their own agenda.

to name a few of these groups

judaizers
Gnostics
Palageonists
Arianists
Montanists
Marcionists
Donatists
Manichaeists
Sabellianists
Nestorianists
Docetists
etc
etc
Protestants of all stripes.

Paul condemned (διχοστασία dichostasia = seditions,dissension, division).

All those groups have one thing in common. They divided from the Catholic Church.