I hope not, because I do the same thing.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. I do know that the new Gloria’s rhythm and meter is substantially different than those of the old, which forces new music to be written for it. The old versions did have the responsorial but, of course, they can’t be used in the new one. And until they find an acceptable score, it probably would be wiser to recite the Gloria. Or, as one poster suggested, sing it in Latin. There are a lot of beautiful settings for that. AND THEY COME AT A LOW COST TO EVERY PARISH.
The CCCB commissioned 3 settings of the Gloria to be used with the new translation. All three have are responsorial, where we sing “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to people of good will” at various times.
The Gloria need not be sung by everyone. This is what the GIRM says:
As far as people not singing hymns, the only one the GIRM says must be totally congregational is a hymn after Communion, the one hymn that 90% of parishes have the choir or a soloist sing alone.
I would be interested to read about the Vatican’s several attempts to prevent the Gloria being sung with a refrain.
In the US there are literally a couple dozen. And none of them have refrains.The CCCB commissioned 3 settings of the Gloria to be used with the new translation. All three have are responsorial, where we sing “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to people of good will” at various times.
Our choir has opted to pretend the setting they chose was written as a through setting.
Note the double bars. Most times the Gloria is sung in alternance. The Priest will intone “Gloria in excelsis Deo”, then the cantor or schola will sing “Et in terra pax hominibus…” up to the first double bar, then the assembly or choir up to the second, etc.
I’ve been to some abbeys where it doesn’t matter so much). I chant it from both POV; in our schola I sing the schola parts along with other members, and we lead the laity into singing the other parts. At the abbey, it’s the other way around, I respond with the laity.I am not a musician.Note the double bars. Most times the Gloria is sung in alternance. The Priest will intone “Gloria in excelsis Deo”, then the cantor or schola will sing “Et in terra pax hominibus…” up to the first double bar, then the assembly or choir up to the second, etc.
As one who sings in a schola, and along with the monks at the abbey, it would cause problems to sing the parts one isn’t supposed to because it throws the schola off their rhythm. It is they who set the rhythm and pace by the parts they normally sing. Monks hate it when they’re thrown off (well, at least the perfectionists of the Solesmes congregation
Whether it’s rude or not… well I’d be attentive to the surroundings. If the mood is very informal and everybody just sings along regardless of ability, then by all means. But if the mood is very formal as at our abbey, then discretion is the better part of valour…
At the abbey do they sing it this way?
The double bars just signal the verses. The Gloria can be sung straight through, but if in alternance, one alternates at the verses, hence at the double bars.
And to me, herein lies the problem. Why does the cantor have to make things a performance/solo instead of leading the congregation into singing the prayers in which we are meant to participate?
Maybe you could write him a note and tell him at least, that you appreciate his efforts, if not his attitude. That might help you to be more positive.And to me, herein lies the problem. Why does the cantor have to make things a performance/solo instead of leading the congregation into singing the prayers in which we are meant to participate?
At our parish the cantor/choir is more like soloist/backup singers/band. The cantor is miked so loudly that you hear his breathing and rustling of papers over every single other thing going on during liturgy. During hymns, all you hear is him…why even have a choir? And songs are chosen to feature hm singing rather than allowing for participation from the congregation. It feels as though he does not want attention removed from himself during ANY part of the liturgy. He even moved his cantor podium to be front and center…right behind the altar, instead of off to the side. The pastor seems fine with all of this. He doesn’t care to sing so I guess it doesnt matter to him. The congregation seems to be okay with it, too, due to the thunderous applause directed at the “choir” after each mass. The cantor will remind people during advent and lent to hold their applause “for the season”, making it seem as though it is perfectly fine any other time. Oh well.
Technically the first one, but alternating between the schola and the monks’ choir, not so much the assembly. Mainly because they take a Gloria from the Graduale Romanum appropriate for the day/feast, and not all of them are particularly well known by the laity, although I do sing along with them (and so far have not been asked to shut up!).