Is Islam a peaceful or violent religion?

[Reuben_J]

What is your standard for Christianity?

I love how Christians suddenly become Anabaptists when Islam is in question–suddenly the only thing that matters is Jesus and the Gospels and Christianity is totally pacifist, when the rest of the time most Christians are quite happy to sanction violence and to cite the Bible and Church teaching to support them.

Edwin

A load of bull, if that waz you addressing my post, because I did not make that assumption. You are just attacking your own idea or what you think I was saying.

I mentioned about Islamic teacings. I gave two examples - beating of wive9s and killing of unbelieving enemies in situations that permit them. Nobody address those yet and instead you came with the hullaballoo about Christianity being similarly violent or what. I would love it if you just addressed wbat I said, if you have to respond to my post at all.

Here it is, if you really have to say something . … is Christianity and Islam the same when it comes to violence? If you think so, what are Christian teachings that exhorts violent for the cause of God?

As far as thjs subject is concerned I as still looking for credible argument for my own information as I think it would not be the last that the topic as in this thread will come out.

Don’t give me the Anabaptist **** … I don’t care about it nor was it any of my concerns. You are barking at the wrong tree really. Say those to someone else if it makes you feel better.

 

[Tomdstone]

A load of bull, if that waz you addressing my post, because I did not make that assumption. You are just attacking your own idea or what you think I was saying.

I mentioned about Islamic teacings. I gave two examples - beating of wive9s and killing of unbelieving enemies in situations that permit them. Nobody address those yet and instead you came with the hullaballoo about Christianity being similarly violent or what. I would love it if you just addressed wbat I said, if you have to respond to my post at all.

Here it is, if you really have to say something . … is Christianity and Islam the same when it comes to violence? If you think so, what are Christian teachings that exhorts violent for the cause of God?

As far as thjs subject is concerned I as still looking for credible argument for my own information as I think it would not be the last that the topic as in this thread will come out.

Don’t give me the Anabaptist **** … I don’t care about it nor was it any of my concerns. You are barking at the wrong tree really. Say those to someone else if it makes you feel better.

There was some collaboration between some Churchmen and the Ustase in Croatia in WWII. The violence was horrendous. Many Serbian Orthodox were brutally killed.

 

[arthra]

In reference to wife beating made by Reuben above I would suggest this practise maybe limited to those who accept a variant interpretation of a verse in the Qur’an:

Conservative interpretations of Surah An-Nisa, 34 in the Qur’an regarding marital relationships find that hitting a woman is allowed. Other interpretations of the verse claim it does not support hitting a woman, but separating from her. Variations in interpretation are due to different schools of Islamic jurisprudence, histories and politics of religious institutions, conversions, reforms, and education.[1]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_domestic_violence

As to “killing of unbelieving enemies in situations that permit them” that statement doesn’t cover the issue… In combat situations yes there could be killing but taking prisoners from a battle is addressed in the Qur’an. There are restrictions on mistreating prisoners:

8 And feed with food the needy wretch, the orphan and the prisoner, for love of Him,

(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura  76 - The Man)


             **Quran 9:6**

             If an idolater seeks asylum with  you, give him protection so that he may hear the Word of God, and then  convey him to safety. For the idolaters are ignorant men.
           For more information see:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_of_war_in_Islam

 

[MartinJordan]

Islam calls itself as Peaceful. I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt. But Islam needs to understand Jesus is the Prince of Peace and learn better who Jesus is by those who trace the Tradition of those who experienced him.

MJ

 

[Reuben_J]

There was some collaboration between some Churchmen and the Ustase in Croatia in WWII. The violence was horrendous. Many Serbian Orthodox were brutally killed.

So what … why do you have to say this to me? I’ve never brought this point at all.

I was saying … There are good and bad people regardless of what religions they are. I didn’t say Islam is bad, in fact to the contrary . . So what is your point that you want to address to me. Just say what is your point.

If you must address my post, address what I said. There is much defensiveness here without really listening to what is said.

 

[Reuben_J]

In reference to wife beating made by Reuben above I would suggest this practise maybe limited to those who accept a variant interpretation of a verse in the Qur’an:

Conservative interpretations of Surah An-Nisa, 34 in the Qur’an regarding marital relationships find that hitting a woman is allowed. Other interpretations of the verse claim it does not support hitting a woman, but separating from her. Variations in interpretation are due to different schools of Islamic jurisprudence, histories and politics of religious institutions, conversions, reforms, and education.[1]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_domestic_violence

As to “killing of unbelieving enemies in situations that permit them” that statement doesn’t cover the issue… In combat situations yes there could be killing but taking prisoners from a battle is addressed in the Qur’an. There are restrictions on mistreating prisoners:

8 And feed with food the needy wretch, the orphan and the prisoner, for love of Him,

(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura  76 - The Man)


             **Quran 9:6**

             If an idolater seeks asylum with  you, give him protection so that he may hear the Word of God, and then  convey him to safety. For the idolaters are ignorant men.
           For more information see:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_of_war_in_Islam

With due respect, but this is the usual Bahai explaining Islam which has become a trend among some of Bahais posters in the past in CAF. Yes, you referenced to some good point … I appreciate that.

I can only say which was said in my initial post in this thread is whatever is your explanation to the Islamic teaching of husband to beat their wives when necessary, is the fact that the teaching is there officially, which Muslim scholars admitted and who can explain the verse pretty well. Well, I’ve heard many of them. Some justify the verse and some when talking to non-Muslims tend to downplay the beating a bit.

I did not say it is bad … it just a part of Islamic way of life … it can be explained as to why they do it. Like I said, violence is not necessarily bad because in some instances it is allowed by religions.

Now my point is this: insofar the title of this thread is concerned, I would say Islam does gravitate towards violence; it’s a matter of a situation where it allows it to happen because the teachings for violence are explicitly contained in its doctrine.

Is it bad orr not? Usually religions teach good thing and Islam is NO different. But if I am to answer the thread, it certainly has better teaching to justify violence because the teaching is there.

There are some snart alecs here who quickly insinuate that Christianity does the same thing and therefore we shouldn’t talk about the violent teaching in Islam. Perhaps they see this this as an accusation thread and thus unable to have an objective argument on the subject.

 

[Reuben_J]

This is addressed to Arthra. What do you think about stoning (to death) for adultery and the maiming of criminals, example thieves, in Islam?

 

[tower_of_babel]

of course it is, it’s a terrible religion, created by a paedophile who comitted genocide and sold slaves among other things.
It has caused great damage wherever it has spread, Africa, South Asia…
It comes into conflict with Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists and stirs up trouble
undoubtedly it has some good points and some interesting culture, but Catholics should not waste time defending this