Is Islam a threat to Christianity around the globe?

[akaraiwecharles]

The salvation battle of the Almighty[Holy Trinity] was a holy gamble, with kingdom and authority at stake, in the mighty wrestling contest between the forces of good and evil, for the freedom of mankind from the stranglehold of sin and death and satan which hold these power. The ancestral dimension to this warfare informs God’s choice of Abraham, as the dividing line between the spiritual races of good and evil. The almighty staked his fatherhood title to purchase Isaac for Abraham. Satan must therefore settle with Ishmael as his campaign instrument, to wrest Abraham, [the life trophy in this contest] from the Lord God. The triune nature of this battle offers satan indefinite chances of victory over righteousness.
The first phase of this warfare was launched in the land of Egypt. God’s choice of Moses, as his instument, to deliver the Israelites from the land of slavery, challenges Satan and his forces of darkness.
The king Pharoah, as the chief instrument of Satan, could not stop Moses and the will of God from prevailing. The entire Israelite nation were delivered from the land of Egypt, through the mighty crossing of the Red sea, thereby making the name of the Lord known and his power felt in all the earth.
The second phase of this battle, involves the coming of Jesus Christ the Son of God.
Being the word of God, Christ is the source of Creation and the source of Life. Coming in the likeness of mortal man, [without sin] puts Him under the firing line of Satan. The lord Jesus must fulfil the laws of sin and death, [which holds mankind to the slavery of satan] to the minutest details, withstand the temptations of evil, so that through his Righetous death, he would overcome the power of sin and death, thereby defeating and vanquishing Satan and his forces of darkness, in the most spectacular manner of warfare.
This era of the Holy Spirit is the final phase of this battle. The victory over satan and his dark forces is determined by the faith of the church. The holy Catholic Church is the True and inseparable body of Christ on earth. The Church is empowered with the Holy Spirit, to defend the banner of Christ in this identity warfare, through the faith of the church.
This final battle of faith, had been divinely proclaimed to happen in the Holy Altar of God.
For that reason, Christ said, when you see the ‘Awful Horror’ standing in the holy altar, as predicted in the end of the world vision of the prophet Daniel, [readers note and understand] then those in Judaea must run away to the hills, anyone on the roof of his house must not take the time to come down to pick up his cloak, and so on.
The introduction of the Islamic Mosque, into the Holy Catholic Temple of St Augustine’s Chapel, H.M.P.Swaleside, Sheerness Kent, England in the year 2000, fulfills this vision and brings an end to all spiritual campaigns on earth, as we now enter the moment of truth.
As a witness to this unholy event, I have been inspired to compile this message and more in my book titled ‘True confession and Perfect Deception’ under the banner of the church. I am happy to share the message through this forum.

 

[GraceSofia]

The introduction of the Islamic Mosque, into the Holy Catholic Temple of St Augustine’s Chapel, H.M.P.Swaleside, Sheerness Kent, England in the year 2000, fulfills this vision and brings an end to all spiritual campaigns on earth, as we now enter the moment of truth.

Do you mean that a Catholic Church was turned into a mosque? I cannot find anything by searching online… do you perhaps have a link to an article about this disturbing event?

 

[GraceSofia]

Bin Laden is nobody to permit attacks and call them Jihad because America was anti-Muslim. Also, the Muslim clergy were hesitant in giving their decision about the suicide bombing. That was bad too.

“…because America was anti-Muslim.” That is a false premise. America was not anti-Muslim at the time of 9/11 and even now I don’t think it is a true statement. America gives nationality to Muslims, and allows them to build mosques all over. There is not a single church in Saudi Arabia, and Christians are denied nationality in (some, maybe all) Gulf Arab countries. One reason you don’t hear too much about the mistreatment of Christians in these countries is that because they are not citizens, they are easily silenced, jailed or deported. However, there are Muslim citizens in western countries and they form associations to air their grievances, however small, compared to the persecution of Christians in Muslim-majority countries.

America was anti-Muslim? Yet, she liberated Kuwait at the request of the Kuwaitis.
She saved Muslims and helped to create a Muslim Kosovo-- and bombed Belgrade thereby alienating Orthodox Christians – but the Muslims are not grateful.

 

[planten]

I need to mend the words of my post because they can be misunderstood. Please see:

Originally Posted by planten
Bin Laden is nobody to permit attacks and call them Jihad because America was anti-Muslim. Also, the Muslim clergy were hesitant in giving their decision about the suicide bombing. That was bad too.

Please read as follows:

Bin Laden was nobody to permit attacks and call them Jihad just because he felt that America was anti-Muslim. Also, the Muslim clergy (leaders in different countries) were hesitant in giving their decision against the suicide bombing. That was bad too.

 

[planten]

Originally Posted by planten

Suicide bombing is basically illegal under Islamic rules.

Please read as follows:

Suicide is illegal and Haraam under Islamic law. So suicidal bombing cannot be lawful. These are also forbidden in Islam. But the Muslim religious leaders should tell that clearly to the common people.

They are rather inciting the poor Muslims to violence and encouraging them to blow themself up to kill some other innocent people.

I hope I have made it quite clear that suicidal bombing is not the way of Islam.

 

[planten]

So then when is suicide bombing legal under Islamic law, if it is only “basically illegal” under Islamic rules? That means you believe there are some places you seem to indicate where they are legal, or am I misreading. I appreciate your honesty planten in your remarks. Here’s what I got on this subject:
The Islamic Roots of Suicide Bombings

What is the connection between religious sources of over a millennium ago to the suicide bombings of today? There is a direct link between the jihadists of yesterday and contemporary jihadists. Many jihadists cite the works of Taqi al-din Ahmad Ibn Taymiya (1263-1328), an Islamic scholar born in Harran, in modern-day Turkey, who wrote extensively on the need for jihad and exalted it even above the Islamic obligations of fasting and pilgrimage (hajj).[66] He attacked many practices prevalent among Muslims of his time and favored a literal interpretation of the Qur’an. Modern jihadists have used his fatwas commanding Muslims to fight the Mongols as precedents legitimizing suicide bombing. Mawdudi, Banna, and Qutb have also developed Ibn Taymiya’s philosophy,[67] writing extensively on jihad as the means to fight the re-emergence of the age of ignorance, with its tribal savagery and anarchy. They also suggested that the Islamic order can be maintained and protected, if not expanded, through violence…
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…of “martyrdom operations.” Because preserving the life of dhimmis (Jews and Christians) is conditional to their acceptance of Muslim rule, suicide attacks upon Israelis or Jews and Christians outside majority Muslim countries may be permissible. Indeed, other Al-Azhar scholars, for example, ‘Abd al-'Azim al-Mit’ani, say it is permissible to kill Israeli civilians in the cause of jihad.[70]…

. Religious clerics issue fatwas citing them. Perhaps the most prominent of these is Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi,[71] who has built upon such interpretations to justify suicide bombing, other acts of terrorism, and the murder of civilians, all in the cause of jihad. He has called suicide bombing a supreme form of jihad for the sake of God and, therefore, religiously legitimate.[72] Those who object to his ideas he labels as agents of ignorance.[73] While he argues that the Qur’an does not allow attacks against the innocent,[74] his definition of innocence is so narrow as to obviate such assurances.

September 11 hijacker Muhammad Atta’s last will and testament[75] shows how deep such interpretations of jihad have penetrated Muslim life as his verbiage and instructions for burial showed how he believed himself a good Muslim, even as he participated in an event which murdered almost 3,000 civilian

meforum.org/1003/the-religious-foundations-of-suicide-bombings

What in your opinion would be the best method to stop the weekly suicide bombings of Muslims killing fellow-Muslims as in Pakistan two days ago or today in Iraq with a two suicide bombs. nytimes.com/2009/12/31/world/middleeast/31iraq.html

How can one help Muslims from blowing up one another now on such a regular, incredibly bloody frequency? I mean even in Palestine, it is not the Arab Christians who … If it was all the fault of the Occupation, then why aren’t Palestinian Christains rushing for bomb belts like their Muslim neighbours? Certainly religion plays a role in this.

Your post is good and well describes few things that I do not know. But I am aware that Maudoodi (of India), Al banna and Qutub (of Egypt) gave the wrong lesson of Jihad with sword to the present day Muslims.

1. Maudoodi wrote a book in Urdu in year 1928 when he was 25 years old. The Book title was “Al Jihaad fi al Islam” i.e. Holy war in Islam. In that book he promoted Jihaad with weapons.
2. He also wrote five small books explaining the reality of 1.daily prayers, 2. Zakaat, 3. fasting, 4. Hajj etc. In his fifth book he explained the reality of Jihaad. In that book he wrote that the five daily prayers and zakaat and fasting and Hajj were to prepare the Muslims for Jihaad.

Such were the lessons given to present day Muslims and political parties were built on those teachings. Please remember that real object of Jihad (effort to avoid the desires of the lower self) were all explained to Maudoodi sahib. But he never listened and kept up his preaching about the holy war (Jihad).

We can forget about the teachings of Ibne Taymiyyah and others. It is better for the Muslims to learn the lessons of spiritual betterment and shun the political angle. They should not yearn for establishing a government, That is a bad desire. If the Muslims will be well and befitting people, they will get respect and authority.But not in the present inhuman state.

The Muslims all over the world should be thankful that they have got the facility to peacefully practice and preach their religion. That should be enough for them. They do not have any spiritual leader. All they have are pseudo-religous political leaders. Such leaders can never help the Muslims to safety. They will only lead them to hell.

The best for the muslism today is to distance far away from their bad leaders (Self made Imams).

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

America was anti-Muslim? Yet, she liberated Kuwait at the request of the Kuwaitis.
She saved Muslims and helped to create a Muslim Kosovo-- and bombed Belgrade thereby alienating Orthodox Christians – but the Muslims are not grateful.

My dad served in the Bosnia peace-keeping missions, where he kept Muslims safe from Serbian nationalists and guarded Muslim children on the way to school. How disgracefully anti-Muslim.

 

[spn82756]

My dad served in the Bosnia peace-keeping missions, where he kept Muslims safe from Serbian nationalists and guarded Muslim children on the way to school. How disgracefully anti-Muslim.

Ah…there is nothing that America can do that will satisfy Muslims that we are not against them.

When we overthrew Sadam…we were welcomed briefly by the Shia. Since then we have become the “great satan” to them also.

Many are an ungrateful people. Many are uneducated. Many are sheep to evil shepherds.

Steve

 

[jewells17]

Ah…there is nothing that America can do that will satisfy Muslims that we are not against them.

When we overthrew Sadam…we were welcomed briefly by the Shia. Since then we have become the “great satan” to them also.

Many are an ungrateful people. Many are uneducated. Many are sheep to evil shepherds.

Steve

You know I do think there is something we could do that would thrill them…join them in their hate for the Jews and turn against Israel. I think they are still enraged with America for stopping Hitler. Pray for them every day…especially the rosary.

 

[spn82756]

You know I do think there is something we could do that would thrill them…join them in their hate for the Jews and turn against Israel. I think they are still enraged with America for stopping Hitler. Pray for them every day…especially the rosary.

 

[sedonaman]

My dad served in the Bosnia peace-keeping missions, where he kept Muslims safe from Serbian nationalists and guarded Muslim children on the way to school. How disgracefully anti-Muslim.

“There must be no delay. People will endure their tyrants for years, but they tear their deliverers to pieces if a heaven on earth is not created immediately.” – Woodrow Wilson, on restoring peace to Europe in 1919.

 

[jewells17]

Pray a rosary a day for Moslems and ask the saints and angels to pray for them by praying the Litany of the Saints for them as often as possible. Who doesn’t have time to one of these prayers daily for all Moslems?

 

[jewells17]

Yoohoooo…anybody there? I guess everybody took off when I mentioned praying for the Moslems? Jesus told us to pray for those we are at odds with. It’s alot more effective than talking about it…or at least we should pray first then talk. Oh well…

 

[KyivAndrew]

Yoohoooo…anybody there? I guess everybody took off when I mentioned praying for the Moslems? Jesus told us to pray for those we are at odds with. It’s alot more effective than talking about it…or at least we should pray first then talk. Oh well…

No jewells, I don’t think that’s why nobody else posted. I would assume most Christians would agree with you on praying.

I think people stopped posting for fear of starting arguments on New Year’s Day, that’s all.

God Bless!
Andrew

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

“There must be no delay. People will endure their tyrants for years, but they tear their deliverers to pieces if a heaven on earth is not created immediately.” – Woodrow Wilson, on restoring peace to Europe in 1919.

Thankfully most of the Muslim Bosnians he met did enjoy the presence of foreign troops. It’s the non-Bosnian Muslims who forget quickly what some countries do in the service of Muslims.

 

[spn82756]

Yoohoooo…anybody there? I guess everybody took off when I mentioned praying for the Moslems? Jesus told us to pray for those we are at odds with. It’s alot more effective than talking about it…or at least we should pray first then talk. Oh well…

I think everybody may have been busy for the holiday.

 

[GraceSofia]

O.K. as a suggestion merely, what would be wrong with this initial proposal to deal quickly and firmly with jihadist warriors, in this case the Christmas bomber. Have the Government CLOSE the Mosques that far too frequently are the centers of the radicalization of Muslims. Maybe drastic, but maybe Western civilization needs to start somewhere assertively to establish that this is no joke anymore and Al-Qaeda propagandists will no longer be given Megaphones at mosques in the West. i.e. the East London Mosque. Have it suspended for a while. Draft the necessary legislation and enforce it!
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I say, as hard as some civil libertarians may find it, if we really are in a civilizational struggle with Radical Islam, the policies we have pursued up until now of proclaiming Islam a religion of peace insistently hasn’t worked. Neither has closing GITMO gained any good marks in Al-Qaeda’s eyes (who would have thought it). If this starts getting into a real internal threat, either close the radical mosques down completely or monitor everyone of them. Just think of all the kids and seniors that would be dead now and not here if the Jihadist bomber had completed his act of terror successfully. Had that Mosque not been there, maybe the suicide-bomber would not have become radicalized.

Food for thought. My 2 cents. Just throwing ideas out.

I don’t see anything wrong with the idea. I’m all for it!
I don’t understand why a lot of things that Muslims say and do in the west are tolerated; I’ve seen videos of their demonstrations in London and N.Y., and wondered, "Isn’t that against some law or other? Isn’t it treasonous? It seems that the powers that be in government, media, and academia do not have the will to deal with the problem.

 

[jewells17]

I don’t see anything wrong with the idea. I’m all for it!
I don’t understand why a lot of things that Muslims say and do in the west are tolerated; I’ve seen videos of their demonstrations in London and N.Y., and wondered, "Isn’t that against some law or other? Isn’t it treasonous? It seems that the powers that be in government, media, and academia do not have the will to deal with the problem.

Right…and we pay taxes for a government that does not represent us or protect us. If this problem is handed down to the next generation…it is our fault for being too cowardly to stand up to it. Start with fervent prayer and let the Holy Spirit lead the way. But whatever these mentally ill suicide cult people do to the next generation…will be our fault if we stand by now and bury our heads in the sand.

 

[sedonaman]

… It seems that the powers that be in government, media, and academia do not have the will to deal with the problem.

They not only lack the will, but they exacerbate, and in some cases are the cause of, the problem.

Traditional morality judges the morality of actions. But according to modern liberal thought, such judgment is being “judgmental”. So the modern liberal has replaced traditional morality with tolerance, inclusion, and multiculturalism. Once liberal tolerance rather than traditional morality became our guiding principle, we must ultimately tolerate the presence of evil, because to do otherwise is being “judgmental” and therefore immoral. Note that once a society embraces tolerance in lieu of judging actions, it loses the ability to govern at all.

 

[captainmike]

the problem lies not just with our government. our church has completely failed to confront islam. i seriously doubt whether catholics and muslims worship the same god, but our church has said that we do. how could people who worship the same god that we do behave as many muslims do? it’s incomprehensible.

even on this board, when you say what must be said, that islam probably needs to be outlawed in the west, you get a warning from a moderator.

nobody has the guts to say what must be said and do what must be done.