Is Islam a threat to Christianity around the globe?

[Mosacked]

These christians had been the greatest terrorists. Hitler being at the head. But they disown Hitler. He had a cross and so did his generals. Another one was Missolini sitting near Vatican, at Rome, who was collaborating with Hitler to exterminate the Jews.

Hitler was not a Muslim.he was not a Hindu. He was not a Jew. Same fr Mussolini. What were they?? Please think over…

Together the two plunged the world in a world war ( II ). It is good that catholics have learnt a good lesson from the bad deeds of Hitler and Mussolini. But still I feel that they are not as good as JW’s (i.e. the Watch tower people) who seem to me more clean, peaceful, keeping away from all bloodshed.

I had been in Europe for a long time. All I saw there was some comfortable life full of sinful people. Those sinful people were not Muslims or Jews or Hindus or Budhists. The Catholics should know who were those sinful people.

Finding faults with Islam and Islam bashing is not easy. The Catholics will not get away with that job easily. Islam had not always been as it is today. It has a very good bright peaceful, lawful history. The catholics have no law. They only depend on man made secular laws. So what use is their religion which does not teach them good ways of living.

Jesus was a Jew and a good teacher. He abided by the Mosaic law, which his seemingly name sake followers have abondoned on flimsy grounds. We do not like that. We love Jesus and we wish that his name sake followers should live and work like Jesus did. We will be with them, to support them. Until then we do not see anything religiusly good in the present day christians.

They are teaching us some good things. But we already know those good things by reading the bibleOT and NT and Quran. Like Muslims, the christians are also divided badly in many sects with serious differing beliefs. They cannot settle their mutual differences. They are only united in Islam bashing. What use is that to us !!! WE do not see much LOVE in them. I request the Christians to show some Love please and not inward hatred.

Planten, the Bible’s OT says that God’s only name is Yahweh. That Isaac was the chosen, that God loved him and his descendants forever. It also says that re-marriages are a defilement. And it also says that those who bow down to the moon and its sign are idol-worshippers. And it also says that He brought up Samson to fight against the Philistines (the ancestors of palestinian arab muslims).

ARE YOU SURE YOU FOLLOW THE BIBLE?

1 John 2:22 - Who is the Liar? It is he who denies that Jesus is the Messiah. He is Anti-Christ who denies God (Father) and the Son (Jesus).

 

[Mosacked]

He also didn’t tell you to pick up the sword and fight his enemies, rather he said take up the cross and follow him.

How do you know I am not following Him?

What would you do during Armageddon while God’s angels are fighting the devil’s minions? Shaking hands with the enemy??

“oh…Jesus told me to love my enemies”…and there you have it…Nine_Two shaking hands with the anti-christ while God’s angels are feverishly fighting them. You sure you’re wearing the right uniform?

 

[Jehoshua]

I feel obliged to respond. (civilly of course)​

Hitler was baptised as a catholic yes but never practiced his faith, he was effectively an apostate. He followed his own religion based on the “superiority” of the german nation. Stalin was a Communist. Mussolini was blinded by his own fascist ideology. The tragedies of the last century came at the advent of a great apostasy away from the Christian faith. The lesson that was learnt by many was that away from God only destruction will ensue, Catholic teaching always taught that.

Europe struggles with the issue of modernism and of people rejecting God. Many people have embraced the new paganism of relativism and atheism. These people if they are baptised christians have abandoned their faith and fallen into the deepest of all heresies. Just look at the abominations that these people are trying to replace christianity with.

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As for the JW’s and Mormons they are not christian and if you understood their teaching you would probably think less of them. Considering the polytheistic nature of Mormonism in particular.

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As to the law of the catholic church you should read our catechism which should enlighten you about the written law and about the natural law which is in place in the souls of all men. The mosaic law was transcended by the coming of christ, if you read the new testament then you will clearly see that.

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Nothing religiously good, look at the charitable networks of the Church and the pacific christian teaching particularly in regard to questionable to non-muslim eyes, teachings of Islam in regard to subduing non muslims. The passages have been discussed so look elsewhere for that argument. I’ve had a muslim colleague say that its acceptable for people to attack others to commit terrorism on innocent people in defense of the faith regarding actions of combatants elsewhere. He’s personally not an extremist, but he see’s it as possible in regards to islamic teaching, is this religiously good regarding Islam?

 

[planten]

Planten, the Bible’s OT says that God’s only name is Yahweh. That Isaac was the chosen, that God loved him and his descendants forever. It also says that re-marriages are a defilement. And it also says that those who bow down to the moon and its sign are idol-worshippers. And it also says that He brought up Samson to fight against the Philistines (the ancestors of palestinian arab muslims).

ARE YOU SURE YOU FOLLOW THE BIBLE?

1 John 2:22 - Who is the Liar? It is he who denies that Jesus is the Messiah. He is Anti-Christ who denies God (Father) and the Son (Jesus).

Mosacked, I won’t go after the Philistines with you because you have parted your ways with the Jews fully. You do not follow any of their faith principles, so you should not have any right to discuss the good things of the Jews. You please keep to the points that I had raised in my post. You should go after Hitler etc.

As far as your last sentence:

1 John 2:22 - Who is the Liar? It is he who denies that Jesus is the Messiah. He is Anti-Christ who denies God (Father) and the Son (Jesus).

Please tellme who is speaking that?? Who said that?? Was it Jesus?? I hope not. I am sure it is some one else and that person had no right to preach such things.

I do not deny that Jesus is the Messiah.
I do not deny your Father, the great God, One God.
I do not deny the son (Jesus) in some good way. Many were called the son of God, as Jesus himself said so.

So there is no blame on me for anything of the above words. I see that you are only using the good name of the father and the son. Otherwise, you have not much to do with them. The very first lesson of the Jewish faith and that of Islam is to get rid of all supposed dieties besides the One True God. You have got other Lords beside the One True God.

In your beliefs, Even the apostles are having some divine value (authority) beside the One True God. So you people are guilty of grave mistakes. Will you please get rid of those divinely person from your head. When those apostles become your leaders, dictating, directing your faith beside Jesus and beside one True God, then you can understand the grave sin that you are committing. There is more of those Lords in the bibleNT than there is of Jesus.

Please remain to One True God and whatever Jesus told you about Him. Thanks. I am with you.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

How do you know I am not following Him?

What would you do during Armageddon while God’s angels are fighting the devil’s minions? Shaking hands with the enemy??

“oh…Jesus told me to love my enemies”…and there you have it…Nine_Two shaking hands with the anti-christ while God’s angels are feverishly fighting them. You sure you’re wearing the right uniform?

I must admit, I find it very ironic that Nine_Two responded to you with orthodox Christian thought which can be verified by scripture, and you are responding with an emotional and sarcastic statement that can only be taken as an insult.

No, Nine_Two would not be shaking hands with the anti-Christ, he would be praying for his repentance and showing mercy upon those who hate him and His God. Just as Christ commanded us:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.” [Matt 5:38-41]

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” [Matt 5:43-48]

“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” [John 15:18-19]

Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor. [1 Peter 2:13-17]

For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly. [1 Peter 2:21-23]

Our love for enemies is extended even to the enemies of God. We are not to deny Him, but we are to show faith and love and be an example to those who do not know what those words truly mean. Nine_Two would be praying for the anti-christ because he, as a repentant Christian, sees only his own sins before him, and sees the anti-christ as an erring brother whom he entrusts to God’s judgment and God’s judgment alone - just as he knows that he himself will be judged.

Let me put it this way: God is perfectly capable of dealing with His enemies in the afterlife. He does not need our help. Our only role is to love others in their sins just as Christ loved us in our sins (Romans 5:8).

 

[Lief_Erikson]

These christians had been the greatest terrorists. Hitler being at the head. But they disown Hitler.

I don’t know enough about Mussolini to talk about him, but I know Hitler was no Catholic. He hated Christianity and tried to destroy it. He used some of the rhetoric because his whole country saw itself as Christian, so he occasionally would say things like, “this is the Lord’s work,” but there’s a lot of evidence from behind the scenes documents that he was really trying to destroy Christianity. Also from more exterior documents, like his ruthless persecutions of churches and Christians who disagreed with him. The Vatican certainly understood he was no Catholic. Pope Pius XII hid Jews in the Vatican and ordered all the monasteries of Germany to conceal Jews for their own protection. He secretly attempted to exorcise a demon from Hitler and functioned as the go-between between the British government and certain Nazi leaders when the Nazi leaders were trying to assassinate Hitler.

Here’s a couple good articles refuting this common modern lie about Hitler’s supposed “Christianity.” It’s not just that we reject him as a Christian. He hated Christianity and tried to destroy it. He did not consider himself a Christian, though publicly he used a little of the rhetoric from time to time. People wouldn’t have been so quick to follow him if he explained his actual religious views.
adherents.com/people/ph/Adolf_Hitler.html
catholiceducation.org/articles/facts/fm0110.htm

Finding faults with Islam and Islam bashing is not easy. The Catholics will not get away with that job easily. Islam had not always been as it is today. It has a very good bright peaceful, lawful history. The catholics have no law. They only depend on man made secular laws. So what use is their religion which does not teach them good ways of living.

That is crazy. While the Vatican doesn’t lay down the exact laws that countries everywhere should follow, it does reveal true morality’s nature, and it does require, by the supreme moral authority dwelling in it, that all nations adhere to those moral principles in forming their laws.

Jesus was a Jew and a good teacher. He abided by the Mosaic law, which his seemingly name sake followers have abondoned on flimsy grounds.

His first generation of followers all died for their beliefs. They were His close friends in life and they never denied Him even under torture. They knew He claimed to be Divine, and they explained to the world what the nature of Truth is. Their successors held tight to the beliefs of the apostles and many of them died for it too. The Church sprang from the blood of martyrs, heroes who loved God more than they loved their lives and brought the truth Jesus taught them forth for all generations.

We love Jesus and we wish that his name sake followers should live and work like Jesus did. We will be with them, to support them. Until then we do not see anything religiusly good in the present day christians.

Well, I see good in many Muslims, as well as in many Christians. May God bless all Muslims and draw them closer to Himself.

They are teaching us some good things. But we already know those good things by reading the bibleOT and NT and Quran.

Well, I know this statement is based on your religious assumptions. If Muhammad is the Final Prophet, and his revelation is the last revelation, then you have all the truth you need when you combine those parts of the OT and NT that agree with Islam with the Qur’an. I take the reverse perspective, that Islam teaches a number of good things that we also have in Christianity, but Islam lacks the full message. And I don’t need Islam because those good and true things Islam teaches are already in Christianity, but in Catholicism is the fullness of truth.

So I understand fully your point of view. I’m just on the opposite end of it, feeling the same way .

Like Muslims, the christians are also divided badly in many sects with serious differing beliefs. They cannot settle their mutual differences. They are only united in Islam bashing.

I don’t think you’ve met enough Christians, if you think that. There is a great variety of different reactions to Islam among Christians, ranging from strongly positive to strongly negative. There also are a great many Christians who feel negatively about Islam as a religion (or at least several of its teachings), but are very loving toward Muslims and do not see most of them as evil or dangerous.

As for me personally, I do disagree with Islam and believe the religious texts have some very dark teachings, and the religion’s founders some very dark history. However, I do respect and admire many Muslims, and I certainly don’t think Al’Qaeda is representative of a normal modern Muslim view.

What use is that to us !!! WE do not see much LOVE in them. I request the Christians to show some Love please and not inward hatred.

We can’t love what we believe to be false religious beliefs, I’m sure you’ll understand. However, we are indeed called to love all people, regardless of their religious perspectives or sins, and I know we have many weaknesses and failures. I pray to Christ my God that we will become more holy in His sight.

 

[staffsgt7]

Just wondering… what’s with all the Islam bashing?

On our forum… we debate Christian’s and stuff, but we don’t do this…

You guys are basically making us all out to be terrorists. It’s not true. What’s with this?

Seriously.

Then stop it. Change Sharia laws. Stop telling us how peaceful you all are when Muslims are required to give zakat and part of that goes to supporting the violent Jihadists, or even those who wage Jihad ‘by the tongue’ (taqiyya and kitman) by deceiving us.

It is very simple.

If you want to stick to scriptures and Koran then there is very little comparison. What the violent Jihadists have are the Koran and sunnah to back them up. What forum are you talking about? Please give a link and we can go and check for ourselves.

 

[staffsgt7]

Hitler’s buddy was Al Husseini and Al Bana. Al Husseini was very instrumental in HItler’s decision of embarking on the holocaust. Al Husseini partook in the genocide of the Armenians earlier. Al Husseini was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Al Bana was the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. They were going to carry the Final Solution into the Middle East when Hitler was done but Hitler was defeated and that plan was ended.

Al Husseini gave Hitler the use of enough Bosnian Muslims to form two divisions for the war.

This is very common for Muslims to claim that Hitler was a Christian. He did not practice it and if you would read the Bible you would know this. Muslims are supposed to read the Bible but I don’t know how they do it if it is banned in some of their countries. (Sura 10:94)
The Bible isn’t even close to what the Koran spews so I don’t know why Mohammed would say to read the Bible. He couldn’t read it so telling others to read it was ironic.

 

[Mosacked]

I must admit, I find it very ironic that Nine_Two responded to you with orthodox Christian thought which can be verified by scripture, and you are responding with an emotional and sarcastic statement that can only be taken as an insult.

No, Nine_Two would not be shaking hands with the anti-Christ, he would be praying for his repentance and showing mercy upon those who hate him and His God. Just as Christ commanded us:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.” [Matt 5:38-41]

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” [Matt 5:43-48]

“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” [John 15:18-19]

Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor. [1 Peter 2:13-17]

For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly. [1 Peter 2:21-23]

Our love for enemies is extended even to the enemies of God. We are not to deny Him, but we are to show faith and love and be an example to those who do not know what those words truly mean. Nine_Two would be praying for the anti-christ because he, as a repentant Christian, sees only his own sins before him, and sees the anti-christ as an erring brother whom he entrusts to God’s judgment and God’s judgment alone - just as he knows that he himself will be judged.

Let me put it this way: God is perfectly capable of dealing with His enemies in the afterlife. He does not need our help. Our only role is to love others in their sins just as Christ loved us in our sins (Romans 5:8).

As I already said, you can befriend the Anti-Christ or be civil, its your choice. I’m not your God. If Elijah was like you or Nine_Two, then there would be no challenge at Mt Carmel, if John the Baptist was like you, then the Pharisees would not be chastised for their sins at the Jordan. If Samson was like you or NIne_Two, the Philistines would not be fighting the Jews.

You see. If these people of God were like you, God wouldn’t even be able to set a foot forward for the path of righteousness through righteous men.

You know what happens to ‘christians’ who are lukewarm? They get SPAT OUT. And no, the Anti-Christ is not my erring brother. He might be yours, but certainly not mine.

Show me a verse in the bible that says to befriend or be civil to the Anti-Christ, and I’ll gladly join you.

 

[Mosacked]

Hitler’s buddy was Al Husseini and Al Bana. Al Husseini was very instrumental in HItler’s decision of embarking on the holocaust. Al Husseini partook in the genocide of the Armenians earlier. Al Husseini was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Al Bana was the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. They were going to carry the Final Solution into the Middle East when Hitler was done but Hitler was defeated and that plan was ended.

Al Husseini gave Hitler the use of enough Bosnian Muslims to form two divisions for the war.

This is very common for Muslims to claim that Hitler was a Christian. He did not practice it and if you would read the Bible you would know this. Muslims are supposed to read the Bible but I don’t know how they do it if it is banned in some of their countries. (Sura 10:94)
The Bible isn’t even close to what the Koran spews so I don’t know why Mohammed would say to read the Bible. He couldn’t read it so telling others to read it was ironic.

Now, THAT is very interesting. Thanks for the information.

 

[staffsgt7]

Silent holocaust of Christian Martyrs—A warning of things to come?

I am trying to bring out that the freedoms of peoples everywhere are on the line due to the Muslim majority sects and communists. Both totalitarian regimes. Communism is a bit more truthful though. A anti-god movement that is more truthful than a regime that says they are a religion.

I am not saying that communists don’t lie, they just don’t get some sort of a reward for doing it like there is a reward for doing it in Islam.

 

[staffsgt7]

Now, THAT is very interesting. Thanks for the information.

There is a book out called ‘Icon of Evil’ and quite a few websites. I went to a presentation of one of the authors of the book, Rothman. He was interesting. Here are a few websites and you can google this yourself and probably find many more links.

Some links are:
Islam and Nazi ties

Al Qaradawi praising Hitler’s antisemitism

Yassar Arafat’s uncle recruited Bosnian muslims for the Nazi SS

Hitlers opinion of Islam.

“Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs. When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the eighth century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the Battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire. Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking, You see, its been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didnt we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

 

[Mosacked]

There is a book out called ‘Icon of Evil’ and quite a few websites. I went to a presentation of one of the authors of the book, Rothman. He was interesting. Here are a few websites and you can google this yourself and probably find many more links.

Some links are:
Islam and Nazi ties

Al Qaradawi praising Hitler’s antisemitism

Yassar Arafat’s uncle recruited Bosnian muslims for the Nazi SS

Hitlers opinion of Islam.

“Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs. When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the eighth century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the Battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire. Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking, You see, its been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didnt we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

Thanks again. Islam knows no truth. As Jesus said “There is no truth in him” A muslim would resort to ANYTHING to achieve the objective of spreading islam, to lie through his/her teeth and even to kill (which we all know by now). You might not have failed to notice that many of those who classify themselves here in CAF as catholics/orthodox are actually muslims in disguise.

This Al-Husseini guy is another typical muslim trouble-maker (dies in his exile), and like the rest of them they all die in their shames after causing chaos and mess.

I found this:

palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

PS. And muslims shamefully use Hitler to excuse themselves of terrorism.
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[Mosacked]

Mosacked, I won’t go after the Philistines with you because you have parted your ways with the Jews fully. You do not follow any of their faith principles, so you should not have any right to discuss the good things of the Jews. You please keep to the points that I had raised in my post. You should go after Hitler etc.

As far as your last sentence:

Please tellme who is speaking that?? Who said that?? Was it Jesus?? I hope not. I am sure it is some one else and that person had no right to preach such things.

I do not deny that Jesus is the Messiah.
I do not deny your Father, the great God, One God.
I do not deny the son (Jesus) in some good way. Many were called the son of God, as Jesus himself said so.

So there is no blame on me for anything of the above words. I see that you are only using the good name of the father and the son. Otherwise, you have not much to do with them. The very first lesson of the Jewish faith and that of Islam is to get rid of all supposed dieties besides the One True God. You have got other Lords beside the One True God.

In your beliefs, Even the apostles are having some divine value (authority) beside the One True God. So you people are guilty of grave mistakes. Will you please get rid of those divinely person from your head. When those apostles become your leaders, dictating, directing your faith beside Jesus and beside one True God, then you can understand the grave sin that you are committing. There is more of those Lords in the bibleNT than there is of Jesus.

Please remain to One True God and whatever Jesus told you about Him. Thanks. I am with you.

Sure…Jesus told us this.

John 10: 24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and asked, “How long are You going to keep us in suspense? If You are the Messiah (Anointed Savior), tell us plainly.” 25 “I did tell you and you don’t believe,” Jesus answered them. “The works that I do in My Father’s name testify about Me. 26 But you don’t believe because you are not My sheep. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 The Father and I are one.”

That He (Jesus) is God.

 

[staffsgt7]

Thanks again. Islam knows no truth. As Jesus said “There is no truth in him” A muslim would resort to ANYTHING to achieve the objective of spreading islam, to lie through his/her teeth and even to kill (which we all know by now). You might not have failed to notice that many of those who classify themselves here in CAF as catholics/orthodox are actually muslims in disguise.

This Al-Husseini guy is another typical muslim trouble-maker (dies in his exile), and like the rest of them they all die in their shames after causing chaos and mess.

I found this:

palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

PS. And muslims shamefully use Hitler to excuse themselves of terrorism.
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Thanks for the link.

If there is an excuse out there in the vastness of space, the Muslims will find it and use it to try to fool us about the reasons for terrorism.

You could be right about the undercover Muslims in this forum. I expect it. I await a link to a forum from servantofallah who mentioned that they don’t talk about Christians badly. Funny one. I am interested if they start discussing in Arabic. that is a sign there is something to hide.

I was thinking of getting one of those Rosetta Stone lessons on Arabic. I could really be a snoop if I learned Arabic!!

 

[planten]

I must admit, I find it very ironic that Nine_Two responded to you with orthodox Christian thought which can be verified by scripture, and you are responding with an emotional and sarcastic statement that can only be taken as an insult.

No, Nine_Two would not be shaking hands with the anti-Christ, he would be praying for his repentance and showing mercy upon those who hate him and His God. Just as Christ commanded us:

Even though the post is not addressed to me, I will respond.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.” [Matt 5:38-41]

It was good advice in the difficult situation that Jesus was in. There was Roman (Non-Jewish) rulers and his own men were against Jesus. There was hardly any better advice than what he gave to his poor endangered followers.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” [Matt 5:43-48]

Again, it was an excellent advice that a man of God could give to his followers.

“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” [John 15:18-19]

These are beautiful good words and we can feel Jesus speaking. He had a mission which he wanted to fulfil and achieve.

Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor. [1 Peter 2:13-17]

Very good words. There is an advice for service.Most important, I see are the words “Fear God.” The christians are blaming the Muslims about that thing. They accuse the Muslim about fearing God and some slave/master relationship. I see the service relation here and the advice to fear God. That is exactly what the Muslims believe (Taqwa). It appears that the Catholics here do not know much about their religion.

All they are interested in is to attack the teachings of Islam, even wrongly.

For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly. [1 Peter 2:21-23]

Excellent Peter, Excellent. We Muslims also believe that Jesus did not commit any sin, nor did his mother. The words “but continued entrusting himself to him ( **to Him **) who judges justly” is very meaningful. Tat means Jesus trusted his works to the Great God. That was good of him.

I am thankful to B W for giving some lecture from the life of Jesus (and Peter). Thanks.

 

[planten]

I feel obliged to respond. (civilly of course)​

Hitler was baptised as a catholic yes but never practiced his faith, he was effectively an apostate. He followed his own religion based on the “superiority” of the german nation. Stalin was a Communist. Mussolini was blinded by his own fascist ideology. The tragedies of the last century came at the advent of a great apostasy away from the Christian faith. The lesson that was learnt by many was that away from God only destruction will ensue, Catholic teaching always taught that.

Your post is good but too long. I may have to break it down bit… Whatever you say, I would not allow you to disown your man Hitler. I am thankful to you for informing me that Hitler was a catholic and Baptised too.
But we can see how people do abondon their faith and go on wrong track.

Europe struggles with the issue of modernism and of people rejecting God. Many people have embraced the new paganism of relativism and atheism. These people if they are baptised christians have abandoned their faith and fallen into the deepest of all heresies. Just look at the abominations that these people are trying to replace christianity with.

It is not only with christians but Muslims too. Even if they do not part with religion (Islam), there is no joy. They do not understand their religion.​

As for the JW’s and Mormons they are not christian and if you understood their teaching you would probably think less of them. Considering the polytheistic nature of Mormonism in particular.

I do not claim to know anything about JW and Mormons, except what I had written.​

As to the law of the catholic church you should read our catechism which should enlighten you about the written law and about the natural law which is in place in the souls of all men. The mosaic law was transcended by the coming of christ, if you read the new testament then you will clearly see that.

Sorry, I do not have to read any Catechism. The four gospels are enough for me, the biography of Jesus, the guiding Light. The Catechism may try to teach me something against the teachings of the gospels.​

Nothing religiously good, look at the charitable networks of the Church and the pacific christian teaching particularly in regard to questionable to non-muslim eyes, teachings of Islam in regard to subduing non muslims. The passages have been discussed so look elsewhere for that argument. I’ve had a muslim colleague say that its acceptable for people to attack others to commit terrorism on innocent people in defense of the faith regarding actions of combatants elsewhere. He’s personally not an extremist, but he see’s it as possible in regards to islamic teaching, is this religiously good regarding Islam?

That is good. I am aware of the extra ordinary effort exerted by the church (Men+women) in spreading christianity with good social works too. They got the reward and many gentiles converted to christianity in the last few centuries. That was the good organised work of the church. Well done.

 

[Jehoshua]

A subdivided posting

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In regards to Hitler, yes he was baptised, after that he never went to mass, entered a church or took any part of the catholic faith. To boot he begun his own “Germanic” ideology. The muslim equivalent would be some muslim who as a child followed Islams teachings and then went off to found an Arab superiority group which effectively ran as a religion. Hitler persecuted the Catholic church, he was excommunicated Latae sententia, he was no christian, he renounced that faith.

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The Catechism is a compilation of Catholic beliefs, you should read it to understand the catholic view before making comments such as catholics relying on no divine law. I’ve bothered to read the Quran perhaps you should bother to look into Catholic teachings before making potentially infalmmatory posts.

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You just admitted in the last post that teh church did something spiritually good, because the Church is the men and women. We are the Church, the body of Christ it is not some accesory organisation the Church resides within us. Therefore by stating that catholic charity is spiritually good you prooved my point

 

[spn82756]

A subdivided posting

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In regards to Hitler, yes he was baptised, after that he never went to mass, entered a church or took any part of the catholic faith. To boot he begun his own “Germanic” ideology. The muslim equivalent would be some muslim who as a child followed Islams teachings and then went off to found an Arab superiority group which effectively ran as a religion. Hitler persecuted the Catholic church, he was excommunicated Latae sententia, he was no christian, he renounced that faith.

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The Catechism is a compilation of Catholic beliefs, you should read it to understand the catholic view before making comments such as catholics relying on no divine law. I’ve bothered to read the Quran perhaps you should bother to look into Catholic teachings before making potentially infalmmatory posts.

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You just admitted in the last post that teh church did something spiritually good, because the Church is the men and women. We are the Church, the body of Christ it is not some accesory organisation the Church resides within us. Therefore by stating that catholic charity is spiritually good you prooved my point

Thanks Jehoshua for pointing out planten’s error on Hitler. In addition…Mussilini was an atheist…not a Christian.

As far as the cross in Nazism…it is adapted from the Asian Indian Swastika which is a sacred symbol in Hinduism. It has nothing to do with Christianity. To associate the cross of Nazi Germany with Christianity is no different than associating the cresent moon with its many other uses including early Arabian paganism.

 

[Contarini]

You’re right. Christ never acted maliciously towards the pagans. But then He never acted maliciously to ANYONE!

And we should imitate Him.

Christ said to love YOUR enemies. He didn’t tell you to love HIS enemies.

You are blatantly twisting Scripture here. Are you telling me that you are such a poor follower of Jesus that His enemies are not also your enemies?

Edwin