Is Islam a threat to Christianity around the globe?

[staffsgt7]

You forgot to mention the problem with Islam and its totalitarianism, its slavery, its numerous wars around the world, its intolerance and its destruction and its lies. Why don’t you worry about Islam and try to change it instead of trying to tell us how we should carry on?

This is the problem in Islam - all this hogwash about their Jihadists misunderstanding Islam and no one telling them they are misunderstanding it. Considering that their Koran and Sharia laws say that what they do is great and will get them a heavenly reward, and their Muslim Charity supports it all!

 

[staffsgt7]

While in Islam the right to denigrate others to a point that they dehumanize them, they brainwash their children, and justify persecuting, subjugating and enslaving, and killing others is carried on in mosques and madrassaa around the world, the UNHRC passed a resolution that we are not to discuss Islam if it means telling the truth about it. How can you discuss Islam without telling others how demented their prophet was (I don’t want to discuss all his immoral actions right now)? Or that bloody Jihad has been waged for 1400 years and the death toll racks up daily because Islam is involved? Israel has suffered an 8 year endless bombing by the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians and Hezbollah from the North?

A quote from this article: Now, the dominent Islamic bloc in the U.N. is working on a resolution that would “criminalize” ( please remember that wording and let it be seared into your mind) any criticism of Islam anywhere in the world and establish harsh penalties for any such criticism. This resolution does not, of course, extend that prohibition to Islam’s “right” to criticise and blaspheme other religions. This is strictly a one-way street.

The resolution passed by the 9th session of the U.N. Human Rights Council and this impending attempt to extend Islam’s domination across the face of the earth parallel exactly the first steps taken by the German National Socialists Workers Party in their meteoric rise to power between the years 1933 and 1936.

The UN is trying to subjugate us under Islamic Sharia laws.

I say that ‘yes’ Islam is a threat to all freedoms to everyone.

We have a President who is allowing Interpol to carry on with immunity unheard of in our history. To be given a pass to do anything to us and not have to prove themselves. We have a President who sided with Egypt on suppressing the freedom of speech last year. When I start to add one and one together I am not too comfortable with the way things are going.

Another quote from the first article:
On February 20, 1998 in London the Azzam Organization, issued the text of a dua (a prayer-sermon instructing the believer how to answer the call of Islam) to be read in mosques worldwide during the key Friday prayer. The Azzam Organization reminded the listeners and readers that Prophet Muhammad decreed that “indeed Dua is the weapon of the Believer.”

Are you ready for this?

O ALLAH! Inspire Muslims in important, strategic and influential positions around the world to use their skills, whether it be computer knowledge or financial ability, to RETALIATE against the enemy in every part of the World!

O ALLAH! KUFR IS ONE NATION, so even though the MUJAHIDEEN may not be able to retaliate in Iraq, allow your MUJAHIDEEN fighters in the other parts of the World to retaliate against the KAFIR NATION!

O ALLAH! Cause this retaliation to come in the form of attacks by HAMAS on Israel!

O ALLAH! Cause this retaliation to come in the form of attacks by Ibnal-Khattab and the Foreign Mujahideen in CHECHNYA against the Russians!

O ALLAH! Cause this retaliation to come in the form of attacks by Osama bin Laden and other brave fighters from the Arabian Gulf on the FOREIGN FORCES in the GULF COUNTRIES!

O ALLAH! Cause this retaliation to come in the form of intensified attacks on the Hindu forces in KASHMIR!

O ALLAH! Cause this retaliation to come in the form of intensified attacks on ISRAEL from Mujahideen across the borders of Jordan and Lebanon!

O ALLAH! Cause the RIGHTEOUS SCHOLARS IN THE ARABIAN GULF to rebel against the foreign policies of their Governments and speak out for the TRUTH!

O ALLAH! Cause the authorities of Muslim countries to turn a BLIND EYE on retaliatory attacks by Mujahideen on Foreign Forces on their soils!

O ALLAH! CAUSE SO MUCH DAMAGE AND DESTRUCTION AND CONFUSION TO THE INVADING FORCES THAT THEY LEARN A LESSON WHICH WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AND CAUSE THEM LOSSES WHICH WILL MAKE THEIR GULF WAR LOSSES LOOK LIKE NOTHING!

 

[staffsgt7]

Here is a video that goes into a country that took pity on the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians after Jordan kicked them out and after they killed many of them (Jordan killed more Muslims in Black September than Israel has in all the years of its existence) and took them in and she tells how the Lebonese got repaid for their kindness, for their Christian big hearts.

 

[planten]

Yes, I forgot. I forgot to mention the T Type car made by Henry Ford. That was an important step, an important invention in the United States of America…

 

[Jehoshua]

Was that post really needed Planten?

 

[dzheremi]

Here is a video that goes into a country that took pity on the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians after Jordan kicked them out and after they killed many of them (Jordan killed more Muslims in Black September than Israel has in all the years of its existence) and took them in and she tells how the Lebonese got repaid for their kindness, for their Christian big hearts.

The Lebanese civil war was a huge, complex conflict. If you want to get the story from the leader of the largest of the Christian militias during the war, the Lebanese Forces, I recommend the book “Words from Bashir: Understanding the Mind of Lebanese Forces Founder Bashir Gemayel from His Speeches” by Rani Geha, which collects and translates the most important speeches given by Gemayel between 1979 and his death in 1982. You can find it here on Amazon: Words from Bashir

Highly recommended, and you’d be hard-pressed to find anything else like it in English.

 

[sedonaman]

America is on top of the world now due to its policies. …

And what might those policies be?

 

[sedonaman]

O ALLAH! KUFR IS ONE NATION, so even though the MUJAHIDEEN may not be able to retaliate in Iraq, allow your MUJAHIDEEN fighters in the other parts of the World to retaliate against the KAFIR NATION!.

This passage shows dualism and political submission is the divide between Islam and the rest of the world. The Koran has its own unique logic, ethics, and principles. It is confusing and futile to try to understand the Koran based upon our ethical and logical standards. Islam denies the universality of the Golden Rule because Islam starts with this division of the entire world, all humanity, into two different groups – Islamic and non-Islamic.* Every aspect of Islamic ethics is based upon this separation. Having two distinct groups leads to two different ethical codes. Said another way, Islam has dualistic ethics. We in the West have a unitary ethic, the Golden Rule: Treat others as you would want to be treated. There is no compromise with dualistic ethics. There is no halfway place between unitary ethics and dualistic ethics. In short, Islamic politics, ethics, and logic cannot be part of our civilization. Islam does not assimilate; it dominates. There is never any “getting along” with Islam. Its demands never cease, and the demands must be met on Islam’s terms: submission. And that is why Islam is a threat to Christianity … and other non-Islamic cultures as well.

*[BTW, this is why planten insists that all non-Muslims who are not Jews are “Christians”]

 

[schaick]

sedonaman, you have raised quite an interesting (off topic) question, about who told Muhammad that he was the messenger of Allah. Of course it was Allah who told him that through the agency of an angel. That question is answered.

Now we must seriously try to understand: Who told Jesus that he was the son of God?? Did his **mother **tell him?? Please think over that line too and make us wise about your beliefs. Thanks. A good or the best correct answer is needed from you, supported by your bibleNT.

You have raised this subject. I do not mind if all christians here try to help sedonaman in this matter of " Who told Jesus that he was the son of God?? Did he make it (took it) up himself?? Please tell.

The story I have read is that Mohammad had no idea what had happenend to him, he was frightened and thought he would die because the “angel” had squeezed him. I’m not sure when Gabriel introduced himself to Mohammad, but it was not before the first revelation and there was no reassurance from the “angel”.

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 605:
Narrated 'Aisha:

The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospels in Arabic Waraqa asked (the Prophet), “What do you see?” When he told him, Waraqa said, “That is the same angel whom Allah sent to the Prophet) Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will support you strongly.”

These are the first 2 verses:

96.1 Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
96.2 Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:

The arabic word alaqah has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot.

Why would GOD say this when we all know that man was first created from the dust of the ground? Mohammad does get it right later and say that man was created from clay.

Sorry for going off topic!

Every one should read about the:**Pact of Umar, 7th Century **
fordham.edu/halsall/source/pact-umar.html
The Status of Non-Muslims Under Muslim Rule
After the rapid expansion of the Muslim dominion in the 7th century, Muslims leaders were required to work out a way of dealing with Non-Muslims, who remained in the majority in many areas for centuries. The solution was to develop the notion of the “dhimma”, or “protected person”. The Dhimmi were required to pay an extra tax, but usually they were unmolested. This compares well with the treatment meted out to non-Christians in Christian Europe. The Pact of Umar is supposed to have been the peace accord offered by the Caliph Umar to the Christians of Syria, a “pact” which formed the patter of later interaction.

 

[sedonaman]

…
The Status of Non-Muslims Under Muslim Rule
After the rapid expansion of the Muslim dominion in the 7th century, Muslims leaders were required to work out a way of dealing with Non-Muslims, who remained in the majority in many areas for centuries. The solution was to develop the notion of the “dhimma”, or “protected person”. The Dhimmi were required to pay an extra tax, but usually they were unmolested. This compares well with the treatment meted out to non-Christians in Christian Europe. The Pact of Umar is supposed to have been the peace accord offered by the Caliph Umar to the Christians of Syria, a “pact” which formed the patter of later interaction.

“Violent jihad warfare on infidels is the norm, not the exception, in Islamic history. Once successful, jihad leads to the imposition of humiliating, degrading, violent, and expensive oppression under dhimmitude, the institutionalized imposition of lowly status upon those who refuse to abandon their faith and adopt Islam. Among the worst victims of jihad and dhimmitude have been the Jews and Christians who lived in historic Palestine.”

The Legacy of Jihad in Historial Palestine (Part I), November 19, 2005

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Although episodes of violent anarchy diminished during the period of Ottoman suzerainty (beginning in 1516-1517 AD), the degrading conditions of the indigenous Jews and Christians living under the Sharia’s jurisdiction remained unchanged for centuries. For example, Samuel b. Ishaq Uceda, a major Kabbalist from Safed at the end of the 16th century, refers in his commentary on The Lamentations of Jeremiah, to the situation of the Jews in the Land of Israel (Palestine):
…there is no town in the [Ottoman] empire in which the Jews are subjected to such heavy taxes and dues as in the Land of Israel, and particularly in Jerusalem. Were it not for the funds sent by the communities in Exile, no Jew could survive here on account of the numerous taxes… The [Muslims] humiliate us to such an extent that we are not allowed to walk in the streets. The Jew is obliged to step aside in order to let the Gentile [Muslim] pass first. And if the Jew does not turn aside of his own will, he is forced to do so. This law is particularly enforced in Jerusalem, more so than in other localities.

A century later Canon Antoine Morison, from Bar-le-Duc in France, while traveling in the Levant in 1698, observed that the Jews in Jerusalem are “there in misery and under the most cruel and shameful slavery”, and although a large community, they suffered from extortion.

The Legacy of Jihad in Historial Palestine (Part II), November 20, 2005

 

[staffsgt7]

I brought up that Islam is trying to shut us up through the UN and here is another example through intimidation and bullying: trying to silence Joe Kaufman of Frontpagemag.com

They have done this to Michael Savage, they are doing it to Geert Wilders in Holland, etc. These are just some notables that I can think of off the top of my head.

So far Kaufman has won the battle but the Muslims are unrelenting and are taking this to a higher court. They are not intimidated by the first amendment. They want their rights to keep on teaching hatred in their mosques though. I wonder why we don’t hear from the masses of Muslims in our country that they are disgusted over what is in so many of the mosques and madrassas in this country, or other countries? They do nothing to stop or change this but they keep telling us they are against terrorism and peaceful.

 

[staffsgt7]

Some articles from Jihadwatch related to problems Christians are having with Muslims:

Nigeria: Rioting resumes in city of Jos after Christians protest construction of a mosque but the original article fails to mention the Christian persecution by Muslims in that area.

Pakistan: Christians shot at close range for refusing to convert to Islam

In a previous article I noted that a frontpagemag writer was being sued by Muslims to shut him up, and now I just read that Ali Sina of faithfreedom.org is being bullied to abide by Sharia laws..

Zameer Ahmed Jumlana wrote in his complaint that, quote:

‘I personally check the website which contains the Alleged Pictures of Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be upon Him) which are forbidden according to teachings of Islam. The Life History of Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be upon Him) is also described at the said website in a much distorted manner. What is more objectionable is that Anti-Islamic propaganda is done by imposing them as ardent Muslim.’

Ali Sina responded by stating that, quote:

'Showing the pictures of Muhammad is forbidden by the teachings of Islam. However, we are not Muslims and we do not abide by the teachings of Islam. Isn’t it absurd that you expect everyone to live by your dictums?

Muslims are in violation of the laws that are the hallmark of the civilized people, such as the Golden Rule, the Human Rights, the equality of genders, the freedom of speech, the freedom of belief, etc. These are the laws that matter to us. They don’t matter to you, because they are not part of your laws.

Just as you file a complaint against us for violating your laws, we are taking you to court for violating our laws.

Which court? The court of the public opinion! It is in this court that we are exposing the deception, the violence, and the hate that is so intrinsic in the religion that you espouse. We are fighting the lies of Islam with truth and winning the minds and hearts of thousands of people, both Muslims and non-Muslims.

Can you defend Islam? Can you prove that what we allege against your faith and its monstrous prophet are untrue? No you cannot. When it comes to logic you are helpless. You cannot defend your evil belief with logic. There is nothing you can do, but to bring legal charges to stop us from revealing the truth about your cherished faith.

You can’t. There is no law that can stop us from telling the truth about any faith, at least not where I live. Here we practice freedom of speech and criticizing religions, including Islam is our birth right.

This is the freedom that you Muslims have always enjoyed, but have denied to others. You think it is okay to destroy churches, synagogues, temples and the houses of worships of other faiths, trash their religions and criticize them. You think it is okay for your prophet to call the Jews, maghdhoob (hated by God), the Christians, gone astray and the Hindus, polytheists and najes (filthy), but you cry like a baby when someone criticizes your faith.

Seven innocent Baha’is in Iran are being prosecuted, as I write these notes. They may face execution, because they are accused of “waging war against God and spreading corruption on Earth.” The punishment for these offences in Islam is death. You are not offended by this gross violation of human rights, but you are offended if we show the pictures of Muhammad?

Have you ever thought why Muhammad disallowed his followers to depict him? In his later years, Muhammad suffered from the degenerative disease of achromegaly. Thanks to this disease his bones and cartilages grew disproportionately. His facial features were deformed. He looked like a monster. But Muhammad was also a narcissist and he was very concerned about his image. Consequently, he forbade his followers to depict him. He did not want the posterity to see how ugly he looked. If you want to really know how Muhammad looked, please read my book, Understanding Muhammad: A Psychobiography of Allah’s Prophet. I have unearthed his description, narrated by his nearest and dearest.

You went on to accuse us of “imposing” anti-Islamic propaganda on ardent Muslims.

Really? Have we ever called for jihad against ardent Muslims? Have we said anywhere that Muslims should recant their faith, pay jizyah, or they should be killed? Where is this imposition you are talking about? You fail to see that Muhammad imposed his diabolic faith on others thorugh his numerour ghazwas (raids), that your ancestors and mine were massacred, raped and forced into conversion,

read more from the link’

!! We need to stand up and tell the Muslims that WE ARE NOT MUSLIMS AND DO NOT HAVE TO OR WANT TO ABIDE BY THEIR BARBARIC LAWS.

 

[KathleenGee]

(Planten, of all the countries ever in the world, the United States is the only one to go quickly to help those in need in other countries…)

People should read about st. Francis meeting the Sultan in 1219 in Egypt during the 5th Crusade that was failing because the Christian troops were wicked.

His encounter revealed Islam’s place in Divine Providence…and the possible means to end the ongoing conflicts with the West…

(For Muslims with the desire for takeover, I wish they would turn their attention eastward…but those societies are known to retaliate up to several generations. So if Muslims want to attack Russia and China, they will get paid back big time…in fact Lebanese Shi’ites were commenting on that…so they don’t go there too much.)

Yes, America has done good things. Inspite of the KGB/Globalist propaganda we are the most evil country in the world, people still obsess about America and want to come here. Many Muslims hate America but still want to come here to live and know we treat them well.

 

[spn82756]

!! We need to stand up and tell the Muslims that WE ARE NOT MUSLIMS AND DO NOT HAVE TO OR WANT TO ABIDE BY THEIR BARBARIC LAWS.

Have* you ever thought why Muhammad disallowed his followers to depict him? In his later years, Muhammad suffered from the degenerative disease of achromegaly. Thanks to this disease his bones and cartilages grew disproportionately. His facial features were deformed. He looked like a monster. But Muhammad was also a narcissist and he was very concerned about his image. Consequently, he forbade his followers to depict him. He did not want the posterity to see how ugly he looked. If you want to really know how Muhammad looked, please read my book, Understanding Muhammad: A Psychobiography of Allah’s Prophet. I have unearthed his description, narrated by his nearest and dearest.*

I didn’t realize that mohammad was deformed like that. For me personally I believe that its because of who he made a pact with! And it was NOT Gabriel or God.

 

[jewells17]

I brought up that Islam is trying to shut us up through the UN and here is another example through intimidation and bullying: trying to silence Joe Kaufman of Frontpagemag.com

They have done this to Michael Savage, they are doing it to Geert Wilders in Holland, etc. These are just some notables that I can think of off the top of my head.

So far Kaufman has won the battle but the Muslims are unrelenting and are taking this to a higher court. They are not intimidated by the first amendment. They want their rights to keep on teaching hatred in their mosques though. I wonder why we don’t hear from the masses of Muslims in our country that they are disgusted over what is in so many of the mosques and madrassas in this country, or other countries? They do nothing to stop or change this but they keep telling us they are against terrorism and peaceful.

My Greek Orthodox friend just called to tell me Michael Savage is on right now defending Pope Pius xii against those who say he did nothing to help the Jews in WWII. Just tuned in and he is getting lots of call ins about it. I need to learn more about it. Thought I would tell you since you mentioned Savage.

 

[KathleenGee]

Yes, Pope Pius XII had accolades written for him and you can find these on Michaelsavage.com.

The organization that literally stumbled into the truth about Pius XII is called, www.pavetheway.org.

I wish to become an associate of this organization ran by predominantly Jewish people. They cannot believe how much information is available from the Catholic Church for its documents, open to the public.

Also, it was the KGB who set up a campaign of disinformation against the Catholic Church by having this playwright create this caricature about Pius called, ‘The Deputy’. I believe the play was reduced to 6 hours, but it was very damaging not only to the Church here and elsewhere in the world, but to the Jewish people causing alot of anguish and controversy. I heard 3,000 German Catholic priests were executed for defying Naziism, now I am reading 1800…whatever…there was consecrated Catholic blood shed for the Jewish people and I love them as well.
So I am with P Benedict that we must focus our energies on being a true Christian of the gospel, and why I am tentative about my remaining time here. St. Francis of Assisi is the first Christian to dialogue with a Muslim, and you can do a search on him and his visitation with the Sultan from Egypt around 1219.

Michael Savage is the one who could not understand how Christians were so divided, that we are the greatest block in this country…but it is the unintentional misuse of the Bible that has caused so much division, in part due to our very individualistic mindset.

 

[staffsgt7]

My Greek Orthodox friend just called to tell me Michael Savage is on right now defending Pope Pius xii against those who say he did nothing to help the Jews in WWII. Just tuned in and he is getting lots of call ins about it. I need to learn more about it. Thought I would tell you since you mentioned Savage.

Yeah, there is something about the history that is not clear to me about that Pope. I did not pursue it though.

Savage is an intelligent guy. He is an obvious conservative and that always gets the liberal left wing in a tither and they have this problem with labeling people who disagree with them. I don’t listen to Savage all the time but sometimes I do.

 

[rdscheirer]

Getting back to the original thread - Is Islam etc.

I think there is a primary dissconnect in the two Religions take on the nature of God because of their origins.

Abraham father of Issac takes him from his funeral pyre when God spares him doing away forever child /infant sacrifice as was practiced at the time. (see abortion)
Isaac sees God as Father , helpful. benevolent, caring.

Abraham father of Ishmeal sends him away to placat Sarah. Ishmael was and is a slave of Abraham. The Mohammadens then see themselves as slaves rather than children of God.

Gen21:13 As for the son of the slave woman, I will make a great nation of him also, since he too is your offspring

 

[staffsgt7]

I didn’t realize that mohammad was deformed like that. For me personally I believe that its because of who he made a pact with! And it was NOT Gabriel or God.

Here is a picture of his footprint. They have a collection of artifacts that they claim came from their prophet. They have some hair and a tooth and other stuff like his sword.

I can’t find where I saw an article where Ali Sina compared Mohammed’s footprint to a regular man’s footprint on faithfreedom but I did find a pic of Mohammed’s footprint. Mohammed’s footprint was much larger.

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1340164081646&id=a9c3ecaf9bbf3d0c0c87e09993bf2471&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faithfreedom.org%2Fmuhammad_footprint.jpg

If you want to say it was an angel, that is fine. Mohammed had some other mental problems that are just obvious if you study guys like Hitler and Stalin that are very similar. Could it be your angel took advantage of Mohammed’s problems? I see Mohammed not being a problem until AFTER he started Islam which is a sign something happened to turn him. Circumstances along with mental problems, and a bunch of men willing to go out and steal and kill. If I recall the men didn’t always want to fight but Mohammed had to keep fluffing up their heaven, and fluffing up their coffers with loot and slaves. When Mohammed died many left Islam.

Maybe for the first time in Mohammed’s pathetic life he felt important when he went to Medina. He was given power and was unable to handle it in a positive way and used it to get what he wanted - revenge, wealth, sex and to use women (mother hatred), and just pure hatred of anyone who disagreed with him. He was always fearful of going to hell, and he was always fearful of jinn. Blow your nose in the morning because there are devils up there! (haha) What better way to get to heaven in his mind that to be the one to create it.

 

[staffsgt7]

I found the article that compares a normal footprint to Mohammed’s footprint here. I have no control over the size of the pictures. Look at the footprint itself and see the toes, and how the heel are very fleshy. Muhammad had fleshy and swelled hands and feet. His footprint shows he had acromegaly.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/footprint.jpghttp://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1340164081646&id=a9c3ecaf9bbf3d0c0c87e09993bf2471&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faithfreedom.org%2Fmuhammad_footprint.jpg

a quote:

In the later years of his life Muhammad was affected by acromegaly, a disease caused by excessive production of a growth hormone, resulting in large bones, cold and fleshy hands and feet and coarse facial features such as enlarged lips, nose and tongue. Acromegaly occurs after the age of 40 and usually kills the patient in his early 60s. It causes impotence, while it increases libido. This explains Muhammad’s sexual vagaries in his old age and why in the later years of his life he had such an insatiable craving for sex. He would visit all his 9 wives in one night to touch and fondle them, without being satisfied. His impotence explains his insecurity, paranoia, and intense jealousy of his young wives. He ordered them to cover themselves, lest other men would cast a lusting eye on them. Today, half a billion Muslim women veil themselves, because Muhammad was impotent. Muhammad’s illnesses explain a lot of mysteries of Islam.

The combination of all these psychological disorders and his unusual physiognomy made Muhammad a phenomenon that set him apart from ordinary people. His uneducated followers interpreted his differences as signs of his prophethood. Like devotees of all cults, they rose to champion his cause with dedication.