Is Islam a threat to Christianity around the globe?

[KathleenGee]

Sgt,

I am not disbelieving you but I don’t believe that footprint is for real…they should do a scientific test on it…

 

[planten]

Atheist is blindly attacking Islam from every angle and abusing Muhammad with all types of lies. The Catholics are collaborating with Atheism. Whatever is being said against Muhammad is all false.

The faithless people (Atheists) will surely attack the faithful. Muhammad was the perfect man in the history of mankind. So were the others before him, Abraham, Moses and Jesus. One should be careful when saying anything about such great persons.

I do not see any Catholic here who could protect the honor of other faith persons. No problem. They are harming themselves by taking sides with the false propaganda. It appears that it is the favorite pastime of the Catholics to enjoy abuse of other faiths.

The topic is whether Islam is a threat to christianity. That should be discussed, not to attack any person. I said that there are some bad elements amongst the Muslims. But I see that the Catholics are also not the angels. Any one can see that. They are also a bad bunch of pseudo-christians and a threat to the world of Truth, by harboring bad ideas and by supporting falsehood.

 

[staffsgt7]

Sgt,

I am not disbelieving you but I don’t believe that footprint is for real…they should do a scientific test on it…

Go tell it to the Muslims. I bet you will get as far as I have gotten when I ask them why don’t they convince their violent Jihadists that they are misunderstanding Islam and to change Sharia laws. I have asked why don’t they get on Muslim websites and start telling them that they need to change Sharia laws and stuff. Just think what wonders they could do if they spent their time and energy there? One person can change many.

It is an artifact that the Muslims have and claim to be real - not me.

 

[staffsgt7]

Atheist is blindly attacking Islam from every angle and abusing Muhammad with all types of lies. The Catholics are collaborating with Atheism. Whatever is being said against Muhammad is all false.

The faithless people (Atheists) will surely attack the faithful. Muhammad was the perfect man in the history of mankind. So were the others before him, Abraham, Moses and Jesus. One should be careful when saying anything about such great persons.

I do not see any Catholic here who could protect the honor of other faith persons. No problem. They are harming themselves by taking sides with the false propaganda. It appears that it is the favorite pastime of the Catholics to enjoy abuse of other faiths.

The topic is whether Islam is a threat to christianity. That should be discussed, not to attack any person. I said that there are some bad elements amongst the Muslims.But the Catholics are also not the angels. Any one can see that. They are also a threat to the world of Truth, by harboring bad ideas and supporting falsehood.

I can feel the love and tolerance from a guy who claims to be tolerant. Who claims that Islam is tolerant and it is the violent Muslims who are not understanding Islam.

It is your texts, not mine. The artifacts belong to Muslims. Do yiou know that Mohammed isn’t described anywhere else other than in YOUR TEXTS? The difference is that I read them and you don’t. Just like you don’t read about Hitler, or just like you don’t read the Bible, etc.

I didn’t attack any person. I am telling the truth about people. I am not told to lie to advance anything like Mohammed told the Muslims to do.

 

[planten]

Sgt,

I am not disbelieving you but I don’t believe that footprint is for real…they should do a scientific test on it…

Well said KathleenGee. A proper test could be useful. But why to indulge in such matters and then to build a bad medical report on the basis of that footprint. What is the necessity?? What is the aim?? It is all part of bad intentions which will be questioned and punished in the next world.

The Atheist has no next world. No hopes of anything in the next world and no fears here too. But all the fears will come to bad persons in next world.

May God protect the believers of all faiths, Judaism, catholicism and Islam and Hinduism and Budhism… those who believe in God and pray to Him.

 

[Jehoshua]

You see planten

The reason there is so much criticism about Muhammad is that despite what you say about him, no otehr founder or saint or holy person in any other world religion acted in such a violent immoral way as Muhammad did. By this i mean the warlordism that charecterised his rise to power and his violent teachings against non-muslims. None of this is taught by Moses, Bhudda, in the Bhagavad Gita, Confucius and definitely not by Jesus. There is not a single exhortation to violence in the new testament. Can the same be said of the Quran?

So considering all this, and since we are not inclined to believe the typical muslim exhortations of peace and the goodness of Muhammad when history shows the opposite, are we not right to discuss Muhammad’s failings. After all his failings and teachings are what drive Muslims today. Most notably those terrorists who you say are acting agains Islam.

 

[planten]

You see planten

The reason there is so much criticism about Muhammad is that despite what you say about him, no otehr founder or saint or holy person in any other world religion acted in such a violent immoral way as Muhammad did. By this i mean the warlordism that charecterised his rise to power and his violent teachings against non-muslims. None of this is taught by Moses, Bhudda, in the Bhagavad Gita, Confucius and definitely not by Jesus. There is not a single exhortation to violence in the new testament. Can the same be said of the Quran?

So considering all this, and since we are not inclined to believe the typical muslim exhortations of peace and the goodness of Muhammad when history shows the opposite, are we not right to discuss Muhammad’s failings. After all his failings and teachings are what drive Muslims today. Most notably those terrorists who you say are acting agains Islam.

Sorry, Jehoshua, perhaps you have not read the bibleOT and the commands given to the Jews after they came out of Egypt. You should read the commands of Moses and Usha bin Noon about how they were told not to spare the lives of the children and ladies and animals.

I just need a confirmation of the above from you and I would not debate with you further on that topic. I won’t disturb you. Please let me know about the orders given to the Jews to Kill All.

Are you really uninformed about the material in the bibleOT?? About the orders given to the senior wolrd leader prophet Moses who is the head of all prophets of Bani Israel???

 

[staffsgt7]

Well said KathleenGee. A proper test could be useful. But why to indulge in such matters and then to build a bad medical report on the basis of that footprint. What is the necessity?? What is the aim?? It is all part of bad intentions which will be questioned and punished in the next world.

The Atheist has no next world. No hopes of anything in the next world and no fears here too. But all the fears will come to bad persons in next world.

May God protect the believers of all faiths, Judaism, catholicism and Islam and Hinduism and Budhism… those who believe in God and pray to Him.

Don’t even presume to know what hopes and stuff that I have.

I didn’t make the medical report. I am just posting what I read. Instead of refuting with something substantial it is very common to bash people. It only reflects on you when you bash someone.

I have a tendency to believe what I read because I did something you don’t like to do and that is to read more about it. I have read other sources for some of the sicknesses that Mohammed probably had.

 

[staffsgt7]

Sorry, Jehoshua, perhaps you have not read the bibleOT and the commands given to the Jews after they came out of Egypt. You should read the commands of Moses and Usha bin Noon about how they were told not to spare the lives of the children and ladies and animals.

I just need a confirmation of the above from you and I would not debate with you further on that topic. I won’t disturb you. Please let me know about the orders given to the Jews to Kill All.

Are you really uninformed about the material in the bibleOT?? About the orders given to the senior wolrd leader prophet Moses who is the head of all prophets of Bani Israel???

Here is a good example of you not reading what you are telling otherrs to read.

If you read the Bible then you would at least question why there are so many descrepencies between it and the Bible. You would question why does every story in the Koran change the Bible stories take them out of order and somehow always manage to try to back up what Mohammed does or says in some weird manner.

Can you even quote a passage out of the Bible for what you are refering to?

 

[Nine_Two]

You’re right Planten, God did give that order to Joshua. Is that what Muslims are planning on doing with us non-muslims?

 

[Jehoshua]

I am well aware of the Old testament Planten.

Perhaps you should take the orders into context of slaying the people in a SPECIFIC incidence to heart. God didn;t order a general massacre of all the non-believers.

The incidences in the old testament were specific to the events described. Compared to Muhammads general exhortations to slay the unbeliever if they should not convert i believe that makes a great difference.

 

[KathleenGee]

Planten,

Some things we as Christians do not accept is polygamy. Muhammed had many wives.

The other point that the Sgt is saying is that you come here to share with us your understanding of Islam, and that you are not a part of these other sects that are doing the damage. I appreciate that.

But what we see is that Muslims like yourself are not communicating to these other Muslims what you uphold. We Americans heard about the imams in North America denouncing militant Islam, but in America, there was only one imam in the entire country. We are a big country and have been very generous to the Muslims to practice their faith, even if we could not practice ours in their lands.

I myself am wanting to spend more time in prayer and penance, as well as work to restore my country. But there is only so much any of us can do. The Muslims like yourself need to speak out more to them.

I also can see it is not good for my soul to argue with some people on CAF who come here only to vent bad thinking or feelings. No correct answer to satisfy them. It is better to pray.

St. Francis saw that the Muslims pray very much, more than many Christians do. He could see we all need to respect each others differences and not fight.

But please see that our country is primed for a big terrorist attack. We have many sleeper cells and the communists have worked very long and very hard both within our system and outside to destroy it and turn the world against us. We are at our crossroads. We want to liberate our country from all of this. And it will take a very long time. Our entire moral fiber has been destroyed by so many elements.

I would rather put my time there than argue or receive insults here about my faith.

 

[bridgeforsale]

I’m more concerned with the threat Islam poses to individual liberty (as long as liberty, which is exactly what these cave dwelling savages would like to deprive us of, is defended, then no religion should feel threatened).

 

[Contarini]

I am well aware of the Old testament Planten.

Perhaps you should take the orders into context of slaying the people in a SPECIFIC incidence to heart. God didn;t order a general massacre of all the non-believers.

The incidences in the old testament were specific to the events described. Compared to Muhammads general exhortations to slay the unbeliever if they should not convert

That’s a caricature of what the Qur’an actually says.

And given that the commands in the OT are much harsher (no conversion opportunity allowed to those Canaanites, let alone the possibility of dhimmitude which has been the way Muslims dealt with monotheists historically, and often polytheists as well), your argument is unconvincing. It’s true that Christians have usually recognized that these commands do not directly apply to us. But we have understood them historically to be true commands of the God who does not change. And obviously that has had a huge effect on the sort of thing Christians think might please God.

The fact that Christians have often believed that the execution of heretics pleased God, for instance, is easy to understand in the light of these OT passages (not just the injunctions to genocide but also the injunctions to kill any Israelite who committed idolatry).

You have to deal with what these texts (if taken literally as true commands of God) say about the character of the God Christians and Jews believe in. Your attempt to avoid this issue is simply special pleading.

Edwin

 

[sedonaman]

Your attempt to avoid this issue is simply special pleading.

Edwin

It’s kinda like OT. But as long as you brought it up, how many Christian heretics have been burned since 9/11?

 

[spn82756]

Here is a picture of his footprint. They have a collection of artifacts that they claim came from their prophet. They have some hair and a tooth and other stuff like his sword.

I can’t find where I saw an article where Ali Sina compared Mohammed’s footprint to a regular man’s footprint on faithfreedom but I did find a pic of Mohammed’s footprint. Mohammed’s footprint was much larger.

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1340164081646&id=a9c3ecaf9bbf3d0c0c87e09993bf2471&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faithfreedom.org%2Fmuhammad_footprint.jpg

If you want to say it was an angel, that is fine. Mohammed had some other mental problems that are just obvious if you study guys like Hitler and Stalin that are very similar. Could it be your angel took advantage of Mohammed’s problems? I see Mohammed not being a problem until AFTER he started Islam which is a sign something happened to turn him. Circumstances along with mental problems, and a bunch of men willing to go out and steal and kill. If I recall the men didn’t always want to fight but Mohammed had to keep fluffing up their heaven, and fluffing up their coffers with loot and slaves. When Mohammed died many left Islam.

Maybe for the first time in Mohammed’s pathetic life he felt important when he went to Medina. He was given power and was unable to handle it in a positive way and used it to get what he wanted - revenge, wealth, sex and to use women (mother hatred), and just pure hatred of anyone who disagreed with him. He was always fearful of going to hell, and he was always fearful of jinn. Blow your nose in the morning because there are devils up there! (haha) What better way to get to heaven in his mind that to be the one to create it.

LOL! Oh I don’t think it was an angel that spoke to M. At least not one that I would want to meet!

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

Is the rise of Islam in America and around the world going to be dangerous to the spread and livelihood of Catholicism. I’ve read that the ultimate goal of Islam is to rule the world and to convert every non-believer(infidel) to Islam and if they cannot be converted then murder is justified.

Some encouraging news for you:

youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo

6 Million Muslims convert to Christianity - Al-Jazeerah !

 

[spn82756]

Another act of peace by the religion of peace.

Religious violence erupts again in central Nigeria…

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/ap_on_re_af/af_nigeria_violence

 

[staffsgt7]

Planten,

Some things we as Christians do not accept is polygamy. Muhammed had many wives.

The other point that the Sgt is saying is that you come here to share with us your understanding of Islam, and that you are not a part of these other sects that are doing the damage. I appreciate that.

But what we see is that Muslims like yourself are not communicating to these other Muslims what you uphold. We Americans heard about the imams in North America denouncing militant Islam, but in America, there was only one imam in the entire country. We are a big country and have been very generous to the Muslims to practice their faith, even if we could not practice ours in their lands.

I myself am wanting to spend more time in prayer and penance, as well as work to restore my country. But there is only so much any of us can do. The Muslims like yourself need to speak out more to them.

I also can see it is not good for my soul to argue with some people on CAF who come here only to vent bad thinking or feelings. No correct answer to satisfy them. It is better to pray.

St. Francis saw that the Muslims pray very much, more than many Christians do. He could see we all need to respect each others differences and not fight.

But please see that our country is primed for a big terrorist attack. We have many sleeper cells and the communists have worked very long and very hard both within our system and outside to destroy it and turn the world against us. We are at our crossroads. We want to liberate our country from all of this. And it will take a very long time. Our entire moral fiber has been destroyed by so many elements.

I would rather put my time there than argue or receive insults here about my faith.

But what people like None Darwish says somewhere in this series is that these prayers are often just filled with hatred for non-Muslims and wishing for their deaths. I have heard this on other videos by former Muslims.

It isn’t just isolated times either it is done often. Even if it were done a few times, what sort of a religion calls for peoples ill will? With all the tolerance coming out of planten’s posts I just don’t see Ahmadis that tolerant either. They probably just have to figure out how to live in a sunni majority land, as he already admitted can be detrimental to Ahmadis too.

 

[staffsgt7]

I’m more concerned with the threat Islam poses to individual liberty (as long as liberty, which is exactly what these cave dwelling savages would like to deprive us of, is defended, then no religion should feel threatened).

Fox news finally let people who know that this is true have their say. They talk about the stealth Jihad in our lands. A guy from Canada even piped up about how they are there and how Canada has dealt with them. The panel talks about the compounds in the USA, the Muslim Brotherhood and how all the Muslim organizations in the USA are their fronts or affiliated with them, sharia finance (it is explained in the last video). They talk about what I have been saying and that is the unclassified docs that outlines the MB’s plan for us.

There has been a group of us who have been studying this for a couple of years now and one of the guys is putting together an extensive study on it and is particularly bothered by the MSA/MSU in the schools. I even wrote Fox news several times about putting together a special about this and viola! they did just that and I missed it!! I found this series of videos on youtube. I wrote my emails after the special was put together so they were ahead of me. Fox needs to reshow these and to do it more often. I would suggest to them to have an hour, or 1/2 hour segment of the Jihad in our lands.

Stop all this political correctness madness and let the Muslims get over their outrage that we know what Islam is all about. Maybe they might become embarressed enough to change it something they don’t even try to do while telling us we are misunderstanding it. Let them start retraining their Jihadists and change their sharia laws because we are not stupid and if they want to convince us then they need to do some changing, not us. The violence is coming out of Islam, not the West, not from the Hindus or Israel, or anyone else. How many more peace treaties and concessions do they want Israel to make so the Muslims can break them?

Get this article about those ‘poor’ Arabs who call themselves Palestinians. You know all the hogwash we get about how poor they are treated by the Israelis although I don’t know why they leech off of Israel so much, with all the money they get how come they can’t take care of themselves? (Do they need dhimmi to do their dirty work?)