Is Islam a threat to Christianity around the globe?

[John21652]

John, there may be more than a million Muslims living in Australia. You cannot blame the whole lot of them enmasse due to the bad conduct of just a few misguided persons.

Oh and where did I blame all Muslims, enmasse? As you pointed out in an earlier post, the question revolves around Islam. My posts and the actions of these Muslim terrorists points to the danger of Islam.

They are criminals. I hope there may be many more criminals in Australia. They must be committing other kinds of crimes. They may be christian criminals too. How ould you justify their crimes??

Criminals who rob and steal are found guilty under our criminal law system as robbers and thieves. Those who committ crimes against people are found guilty of asault, greivous assault and things like that. The Criminal Law covers just about any crime committed against people and property. However, there is an additional aspect to the Criminal Law and that is its anti-terrorism parts. They were included because adherants of Islam blew up the Twin Towers in New York and because it became obvious that there were Islamic terror cells operating in Australia as well. Funny thing is, the Islamic terror cells had as members, Muslims! No Christians. No Buddhists. No presbyterians. Just Muslims. Strange thing that, eh?!

Now here we are with five men sentenced under the Criminal Law’s anti-terrorism provisions. Obviously there could be anyone, of any religious persuasion that could be arrested and tried under these anti-terrorism provisions of the Criminal Law, but, starngely, only adherants of Islam have been ound to be acting against these particular provisions of the Criminal Law. In fact, if you’d take the time to read the articles I linked to, you’d see that some pleaded guilty before a trial and the rest were found guilty by the jury after the trial. All admitted that they were carrying out Jihad. Now, strangely, Jihad is a uniquely Islamic concept. Jihad is not carried out by Christians, not even by Christian criminals! It isn’t carried out by Buddhists, or presbyterians, or Mormons, or even by non-religious people. Jihad is uniquely Islamic and is always done in the name of Allah.

You said “Australia is a christian nation”. Hardly true, if there is a lot of anti christian works such as free sex and drinking and gambling going on there.

Australia is a Christian nation. Why, there are Christian Churches all over the place, in every large and small town. Of course that doesn’t mean everyone goes to Church all the time and it doesn’t mean everyone is overly religious. But everyone lives according to our Christian traditions and with respect for our Christian institutions. Yes, there are those who sin and some sin greatly. However, unlike Islamic nations, we don’t hang homosexuals, whip girls who talk to boys and we don’t tolerate honour killings as Islamic nations do. We respect individual rights and practice democratic tolerance, just like Christ displayed, which is why Muslims are allowed to live amongst us, despite what some of the adherents of Islam do to terrorize us.

I hope that was not like Jesus christ. I had seen that due to such bad deeds in western countries, the catholics on this forum had disowned the European countries. They said that none was a christian country even though there some majority christians living in those countries.

I haven’t read where anyone ‘disowned’ Europe. Europe is giving ground to an intolerant Islamic religion which states in its Qoran that the duty of a Muslim is to spread Islam.

John, I said it was your irrelevant post. But you want to blame it on Islam as an attack on christianity. I do not agree with you. It is not any attack on christianity. It was an attack on humanity. Please think over.

Well, Christianity is a part of humanity. In Australia it is the paramount religion. So, an attack on the innocent in Australia and an attack on our Christian way of life is indeed an attack on Christianity. The self confessed Jihadists were certainly not targetting any Muslims, or Islamic institutions.

Islam is a threat to Christianity because it “leaks”. It has provisions in the Qoran which encourage violent Jihad. Because islam is a decentralised religion, with no coherent philosophy, the way is open for certain Immans to preach a very strict and extrme version of Islam and those who listen are compelled to undertake violent Jihad according to the Qoran. Their target is the non-Muslim west. That’s what the men in Australia plead guilty to.

 

[staffsgt7]

It is necessary to catch all such criminals who plot against the government, of what ever faith they may be. They may be Hindus or Chhristians or Budhists or Muslims. There is no excuse.

It so happens that in present times, it is the Muslims who are doing most of these bad things. They have no knowledge of Islam. They are ignorant and can easily be misled or utilised. They have no knowledge of the Quran or Sunnah.

The name of our religion is Islam. That means Peace. Every Muslim should be at peace with himself and at peace with God. Unfortunately, there are many non-Muslims who are trying hard to prove that islam is not for Peace. They dig out verses from the Quran without context to prove their point. In that way such bad elements of the Catholics and Atheists try to support those terorists. Those supporters are quite active and they are equally guilty.

The above post of john is irrelevant. Those criminals were not plotting against christianity or church. The thread is “Is Islam a threat to Christianity around the globe?”

THose criminals were not really Muslims and they were not planning against church. They were planning against the public which was also bad.But it is not the right subject under discussion here. It only spreads some side hatred against islam which is not fair.

islam IS a plot against all countries, all religions and all non-muslims.

In Islam violent Jihad is considered holy and good. In Islam the goal is to strive to instll Allah’s laws (Sharia law) the law of the land and Islam the only religion. Unlike Christianity where they believe the goal is to save people’s souls, in Islam it is to dominate and make others subjugated to them… oh, and by the way if you don’t believe in allah and Mohammed then you are the worst of sinners and will fry like a hot dog in hell.

In the Koran we read that the unbelievers are to be killed, and it is ok to torture them and to enslave them, just make sure to give Mohammed his share! If they have some goods that they are hiding then it is ok to torture them and if they make some poems, which was the news of the day, against Allah and Mohammed then it is ok to kill them too because that is what MOhammed did.

No where in the Koran or Sharia laws are the violent Jihadists punished for their murders and other cruelties and instead they are glamorized, and they are made martyrs if they die and get on that fast path to the orgy, and they are celebrated. Their families celebrate because they get to be named as one of the saved and are on the fast path to that heavenly orgy too.

The only time they are punished is if another country with sane laws give them a trial and mete out punishment.

This is why such things are shown to be an example of what Islam brings. And when we read that over 50,000+ Islamic Jihad attacks since the 1970s have taken place with over 14,800 of them since 9/11 - this is a definite statement of what Islam brings. Too many crimes against civilians by Muslims are not even counted. Especially the kidnappings and rapes, antisemitic attacks both verbal and physical, and the destruction of property, etc grow daily of Muslims against non-Muslims.

The Muslims don’t police their own. They don’t speak out, try to change their Sharia laws, or teachings of the Koran. They do nothing except to come to sites like this and try to deflect and defend, or excuse, or just say these things are isolated incidences. They are not. The perps are considered Jihadists (since all Muslims MUST wage Jihad whether by the tongue, their wealth, and/or by violence), and are considered holy and good.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/TROP.jpg

 

[staffsgt7]

I got a good article in my inbox today and it addressed this phenomenon of the Muslims silence by such a large number of people.

The voice of the elusive “moderates” among Islam’s over 1.5 billion followers is yet to be heard adequately addressing why the overwhelming majority of terrorist acts carried out against civilian targets in the 20th and 21st centuries were performed by followers of their faith. Neither is there a credible force among Koranic experts to explain what it is within the texts jihadists are perverting as they hijack the “true” tenets of the religion from their moderate brethren.

Instead we hear from people like planten who have no inclination, no need to do something within Islam to change what is so apparent, that it is the violent verses, the violent Mohammed, who drives these Jihadists to do what they do. They are helped along by Sharia laws that command Jihad and describe it (o9) and tell us in black and white that violence is always an option when Muslims are to wage Jihad and that they are holy for doing so.

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

islam is the antichrist because it teaches that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God who came to us to bring our salvation.

“For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.” 2 John 1:7

“and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.” 1 John 4:3

antichrist = teaching of satan

 

[staffsgt7]

islam is the antichrist because it teaches that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God who came to us to bring our salvation.

“For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.” 2 John 1:7

“and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.” 1 John 4:3

antichrist = teaching of satan

I went to a presentation that Walid Shoebat gave at a Jewish Community Center in a city close by to me. He brought up that in the Bible there is a clear indication that Islam’s Mahdi is the Christian anti-Christ and he uses the bible to prove his point. I found a series of videos put out by Walid and I will admit that I got a bit lost with some of his references, maybe you know the Bible better than me can follow it.

Walid is very sure of himself too. Walid Shoebat is a former Muslim, one who calls himself a Palestinian, and was trained to be a martyr since childhood. He is very interesting and if anyone gets a chance to go to one of his presentations, I would recommend it even if you are not a Catholic or a Christian. Most of his audience was made up of Jews with many Christians and me.

Walid Shoebat, video on the Mahdi, the anti-Christ

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

I went to a presentation that Walid Shoebat gave at a Jewish Community Center in a city close by to me. He brought up that in the Bible there is a clear indication that Islam’s Mahdi is the Christian anti-Christ and he uses the bible to prove his point. I found a series of videos put out by Walid and I will admit that I got a bit lost with some of his references, maybe you know the Bible better than me can follow it.

Walid is very sure of himself too. Walid Shoebat is a former Muslim, one who calls himself a Palestinian, and was trained to be a martyr since childhood. He is very interesting and if anyone gets a chance to go to one of his presentations, I would recommend it even if you are not a Catholic or a Christian. Most of his audience was made up of Jews with many Christians and me.

Walid Shoebat, video on the Mahdi, the anti-Christ

sounds like a very powerful presentation, being that he converted from islam.

Just to add, the anti-christ has as his purpose to undermine the plan of God: Salvation through His Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus said: “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

 

[staffsgt7]

sounds like a very powerful presentation, being that he converted from islam.

Just to add, the anti-christ has as his purpose to undermine the plan of God: Salvation through His Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus said: “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Yeah it was. I only get the truth from the former Muslims. It is believable because they admit to what is in the koran and Sharia laws while the Muslims do not, or try to twist it to mean something else. And the worst ones try to bring up other junk instead of dealing what their ideology is all about.

The former Muslims are very consistent in what they say whether they are Shia or Sunni, men or women. Thats another reason why they are more believable.

 

[schaick]

blogs.cbn.com/stakelbeckonterror/archive/2010/02/18/cbn-exclusive-five-muslim-soldiers-arrested-at-fort-jackson-in.aspx

CBN Exclusive: Five Muslim Soldiers Arrested at Fort Jackson in South Carolina

CBN News has learned exclusively that five Muslim soldiers at Fort Jackson in South Carolina were arrested just before Christmas. It is unclear whether the men are still in custody. The five were part of the Arabic Translation program at the base.

Patrick Jones, the Deputy Public Affairs Officer for Fort Jackson, confirmed for CBN News yesterday afternoon that an investigation was ongoing .

Prior to this posting, CBN News learned that these details were also confirmed by a government official with knowlegde of the investigation.

The men are suspected of trying to poison the food supply at Fort Jackson.

A source with intimate knowledge of the investigation, which is ongoing, told CBN News investigators suspect the “Fort Jackson Five” may have been in contact with the group of five Washington, DC area Muslims that traveled to Pakistan to wage jihad against U.S. troops in December. That group was arrested by Pakistani authorities, also just before Christmas.

Coming as it does on the heels of November’s Fort Hood jihadist massacre, this news could have major implications.

 

[schaick]

Islam was on rise like now in the middle ages…but we know what happened…It is a religion promised by God to ishmael…so they are also under God’s covenant…besides it is written that their hands will always be against other people…that is what we can see around the world…

What makes you say this?

Besides, I have read that many moslems are secretly converting to christianity…so it is we thru our faith and actions should show others the value of christianity…

YES, Pray for Muslims!

 

[planten]

islam IS a plot against all countries, all religions and all non-muslims.

In Islam violent Jihad is considered holy and good. In Islam the goal is to strive to instll Allah’s laws (Sharia law) the law of the land and Islam the only religion. Unlike Christianity where they believe the goal is to save people’s souls, in Islam it is to dominate and make others subjugated to them… oh, and by the way if you don’t believe in allah and Mohammed then you are the worst of sinners and will fry like a hot dog in hell.

In the Koran we read that the unbelievers are to be killed, and it is ok to torture them and to enslave them, just make sure to give Mohammed his share! If they have some goods that they are hiding then it is ok to torture them and if they make some poems, which was the news of the day, against Allah and Mohammed then it is ok to kill them too because that is what MOhammed did.

No where in the Koran or Sharia laws are the violent Jihadists punished for their murders and other cruelties and instead they are glamorized, and they are made martyrs if they die and get on that fast path to the orgy, and they are celebrated. Their families celebrate because they get to be named as one of the saved and are on the fast path to that heavenly orgy too.

The only time they are punished is if another country with sane laws give them a trial and mete out punishment.

This is why such things are shown to be an example of what Islam brings. And when we read that over 50,000+ Islamic Jihad attacks since the 1970s have taken place with over 14,800 of them since 9/11 - this is a definite statement of what Islam brings. Too many crimes against civilians by Muslims are not even counted. Especially the kidnappings and rapes, antisemitic attacks both verbal and physical, and the destruction of property, etc grow daily of Muslims against non-Muslims.

The Muslims don’t police their own. They don’t speak out, try to change their Sharia laws, or teachings of the Koran. They do nothing except to come to sites like this and try to deflect and defend, or excuse, or just say these things are isolated incidences. They are not. The perps are considered Jihadists (since all Muslims MUST wage Jihad whether by the tongue, their wealth, and/or by violence), and are considered holy and good.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/TROP.jpg

I do not believe any Atheist. There is no reliability. The one who is blind and cannot see the right path, cannot guide any one. So we by-pass all such posts.

 

[staffsgt7]

I do not believe any Atheist. There is no reliability. The one who is blind and cannot see the right path, cannot guide any one. So we by-pass all such posts.

You of all people talk of blindness. Ironic. So, I should accept the falsehood of Islam and all of a sudden I become credible? Believe me, if I were to accept a religion it would be Christianity way over Islam if I were to go by texts and by example. No matter how many bad Christians there are, if you go to the teachings they are not bad. Islam is bad. Its teachings, its prophet, and its history is bad. And evil is a real thing and doesn’t have to have religious connotations and islam is what I call evil.

Definition of evil in the Websters Dictionary:
1 a : morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
2 a archaic : inferior b : causing discomfort or repulsion : offensive c : disagreeable
3 a : causing harm : pernicious b : marked by misfortune

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

You of all people talk of blindness. Ironic. So, I should accept the falsehood of Islam and all of a sudden I become credible? Believe me, if I were to accept a religion it would be Christianity way over Islam if I were to go by texts and by example. No matter how many bad Christians there are, if you go to the teachings they are not bad. Islam is bad. Its teachings, its prophet, and its history is bad. And evil is a real thing and doesn’t have to have religious connotations and islam is what I call evil.

Definition of evil in the Websters Dictionary:
1 a : morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
2 a archaic : inferior b : causing discomfort or repulsion : offensive c : disagreeable
3 a : causing harm : pernicious b : marked by misfortune

There is nothing wrong with learning truth from what is true, whomever speaks it. Since Jesus is the truth, all truth comes from him. but lies come from the devil. And islam lies in such a way as to try to thwart our salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ. Now if that isn’t a wicked plan, I don’t know what else is.

 

[planten]

You of all people talk of blindness. Ironic. So, I should accept the falsehood of Islam and all of a sudden I become credible? Believe me, if I were to accept a religion it would be Christianity way over Islam if I were to go by texts and by example. No matter how many bad Christians there are, if you go to the teachings they are not bad. Islam is bad. Its teachings, its prophet, and its history is bad. And evil is a real thing and doesn’t have to have religious connotations and islam is what I call evil.

Definition of evil in the Websters Dictionary:
1 a : morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
2 a archaic : inferior b : causing discomfort or repulsion : offensive c : disagreeable
3 a : causing harm : pernicious b : marked by misfortune

Nobody is asking you to accept Islam. We do not need faithless hostile people like you.

The best service you could perform on this board is to teach every one about your disbelief (Atheism).

 

[dzheremi]

Planten, I find it very odd that you constantly try to control conversations here by specifying who can reply to what, and now apparently what they are to be restricted to posting about. I suggest to you that if you are of the opinion that Staffsgt7 ought not to post about anything but atheism since he is an atheist then you ought to at least be consistent and not post about anything but Ahmadiyya (heterodox) Islam. This would greatly reduce the amount of nonsense coming from you, to the benefit of everyone who is serious about discussing religions here on CAF.

 

[planten]

Planten, I find it very odd that you constantly try to control conversations here by specifying who can reply to what, and now apparently what they are to be restricted to posting about. I suggest to you that if you are of the opinion that Staffsgt7 ought not to post about anything but atheism since he is an atheist then you ought to at least be consistent and not post about anything but Ahmadiyya (heterodox) Islam. This would greatly reduce the amount of nonsense coming from you, to the benefit of everyone who is serious about discussing religions here on CAF.

dzhereme, thank you for coming out with something useful. But you were quiet until I advised the Atheist. I only suggested that instead of blaming Islam for all ills of the world, it was better for the Atheist to come forward with his bag of tricks, with remedies from Atheism. We will happily listen to some useful ideas about Atheism from the Atheist.

There is no need to start a new thread. The atheist could bring out the charms of Atheism vis a vis islam and show some competitive better things of Atheism. The Ahmadiyah is not far off from Islam. If need be we will be informed about that.

dz, this is not the place to provide relief (Oxygen) to the Atheist. Let us have some good things from the disbeliever in divine persons.

Otherwise, we should always be ready to hit the Satan (venomous serpent) on the head. Don’t you believe that in the bible?? Always go after him.

 

[John21652]

dzhereme, thank you for coming out with something useful. But you were quiet until I advised the Atheist. I only suggested that instead of blaming Islam for all ills of the world, it was better for the Atheist to come forward with his bag of tricks, with remedies from Atheism. We will happily listen to some useful ideas about Atheism from the Atheist.

There is no need to start a new thread. The atheist could bring out the charms of Atheism vis a vis islam and show some competitive better things of Atheism. The Ahmadiyah is not far off from Islam. If need be we will be informed about that.

dz, this is not the place to provide relief (Oxygen) to the Atheist. Let us have some good things from the disbeliever in divine persons.

Otherwise, we should always be ready to hit the Satan (venomous serpent) on the head. Don’t you believe that in the bible?? Always go after him.

The thread is whether or not Islam is a threat to Christianity around the Globe. I’m sure that even Jews, Buddhists and Taoists would all have an opinion on this subject. Wouldn’t you agree? So why shouldn’t an Atheist? After all, it only requires fairly moderate powers of observation to know what is transpiring in the world. So far in this debate you seem to have accepted that no Buddhists, Jews or Taoists are blowing up people and things. Is this correct? I also think it’s fairly safe to suggest that no Atheists are blowing up people and things. Agreed? After all, one common thing that terrorists are heard to cry out just before they immolate themselves and others is ‘Allahu Akbar’, which is ‘God is Great’ in Arabic. It is an Islamic cry. So, again, it’s fairly safe to assume that those who make this cry are not atheists, or Jewish, or followers of Taoism.

So, the question remains, why is it that Islam gives rise to adherents who seem to think that destruction of people and property is the way of Allah? You have written here that Islam is a religion of peace. You have also written that we should all always be ready to hit the Satan (venomous serpent) on the head. Don’t you believe that in the bible?? Always go after him. Now, where we see adherents of Islam contradicting your statements regarding Islam as a religion of peace and so behaving in a manner which you say is against Allah, then isn’t it fair to assume that Satan has infiltrated his way into Islam and has corrupted its meaning and purpose? Is it not the case, then, that violent Jihad is the work of the evil one? Is it not the case also, that the intolerance displayed by adherents of Islam is also the work of the “venomous serpent”?

 

[sedonaman]

It is necessary to catch all such criminals who plot against the government, of what ever faith they may be. They may be Hindus or Chhristians or Budhists or Muslims. There is no excuse.

…

I thought that Muslims believe there is no legitimate government outside of Islamic law.

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

This thread is now closed.

God bless