Is Islam an Evil Religion

[miguel]

By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God. (1 John 4:2)

 

[springbreeze]

Dear Meedo

Peace.

You are right. We learn to hate and to learn to hate there must be something of a cause people think they are fighting for, rightly or wrongly.

Your country only knows what it knows about say, the Uk, because you are told so about it by the powers that be in your country and my country only knows what it knows about, say Iraq, what it is told about Iraq by the powers that be in the Uk.

We do not live in each others countries, we do not really know the causes of many things nor essentially all the facts as they actually are.

I am tired of human killing human because they either, want land, want a nations resources, don’t agree on religion, desire to oppress or rebel against oppression.

This war is not about religion, it is about people. People are war-like, they will find any cause to fight. They fight in the Uk over football of all things, they will fight within families and within communities, even within their own religions, people fight because it is their broken human nature and the sooner we practice forgiveness and tolerance the sooner the Evil one will not have the leverage to tempt people into gross anger that leads to killing and murder which masquerades under the name of War. No war is just, no war will ever be just when innocent peoples are murdered and die.

You do not see the powers that be enter a room and have a good old battle between themselves and see who comes out alive. You see masses of countrymen and women go out into the field and die, they are commanded to do so, it is their duty, some even are brain-washed into it, but those that cannot reconcile their differences peaceably do not go out in the field and die. They sit witholding facts and their hands wrung in the blood of the innocent.

They are welcome to their power, power is not a thing a religious person desires to possess.

No Islam is not an evil religion and neither is Judaism and Catholicism/Christianity. I have never seen so much media attention or political attention on all of the great faiths of the world as I have at the present time. This is no co-incidence, this is the surging wave of Secularism, that desires to eradicate all faith in God from society. To make God a myth, to debate and debate until God is perceived as nothing more than a fairy tale and men will only put their trust in men and worship themselves for their just and peaceable society, which of course will fall down around them after a period.

Islam is not the enemy, Catholicism is not the enemy, Judaism is not the enemy, Secularism is the enemy!

Forgiveness and tolerance is the way to peace not condemnation and violence, this is attempting peace by force and peace is never made in such ways.

God Bless you always Meedo and much love and peace to you

Teresa

 

[meedo]

i agree with all you said . Its just a bit harder to come first from the one who injustice is bieng done to .

 

[Topher]

Look, any heresy is evil. If a religion is teaching objectively false doctrines about the almighty, then the religion is evil. Therfore, because Islam teachers that Jesus is not God and other falsehoods, it is an evil religion. That does not mean that any particulare muslim is an “evil man” in the common usage of the phrase, it just means that the religion is evil. Furthermore, it is evil because it cannot be a means to salvation and keeps people way from the true and universal sacrament of salvation, the Catholic Church.

I am certainly not advocating the mistreatment of Muslims becsause no Muslim or any other person is intrinsically evil. Rather, just like everyone else, they too were made in the image and likeness of God and posses human dignity. Rather, we should love Muslims, even if they are not our brothers in the faith, and respect the fact that they do hold to this one truth: that there is only one God who is good and almighty. Also, we can also join with them on defending the truth concerning many moral issues. For example, they oppose homosexual behaviour and abortion just as we Christians do.

 

[Fox]

MG,
Thanks If they can’t, don’t waste your breath on these ignorant people whom don’t want to learn about the Truth.

 

[MGEISING]

Fox:

MG,
Thanks If they can’t, don’t waste your breath on these ignorant people whom don’t want to learn about the Truth.

Fox:

It is so frustrating … I hear it all the time, if it isn’t ISLAM, its Catholics, etc.

Their churches take over their minds and feed them only what their pastors want them to know – even if it is untrue or slanted for untruth.

I can’t stand it …

 

[Athanasius18]

muslims are not evil people, but they happen to be in an evil religion. there is a key distinction. many popes, including pius XI have called islam diabolical in nature.

 

[meedo]

My religion is not evil

 

[Bobby_A.Greene]

Islam is not evil, it’s just not a religion. It’s a collection of beliefs as is any cult.

 

[meedo]

Well ofcourse you are entitled to your opinion . But i dont think that you can prove it . It is not a cult . It is a faith , a belief and a religion. But also this is my opinion . How do u define a cult and how do u define a religion?

Peace

 

[exoflare]

meedo:

Well ofcourse you are entitled to your opinion . But i dont think that you can prove it . It is not a cult . It is a faith , a belief and a religion. But also this is my opinion . How do u define a cult and how do u define a religion?

Peace

One thing is I don’t think cults allow their members to leave.

 

[Matt25]

Athanasius18:

muslims are not evil people, but they happen to be in an evil religion. there is a key distinction. many popes, including pius XI have called islam diabolical in nature.

Alternatively see uniya.org/education/interfaith_statements.html

“But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”
Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 16, November 21, 1964

                                             http://www.uniya.org/images/spacer1x1.gif "The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth (Cf. St. Gregory VII, Letter III, 21 to Anazir [Al-Nasir], King of Mauretania PL, 148. 451A.), who has spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God's plan, to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own. Although not acknowledging him as God, they venerate Jesus as a prophet, his Virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the day of judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead. For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting.

“Over the centuries many quarrels and dissensions have arisen between Christians and Muslims. The sacred Council now pleads with all to forget the past, and urges that a sincere effort be made to achieve mutual understanding; for the benefit of all men, let them together preserve and promote peace, social justice and moral values.”
Second Vatican Council, Nostra Aetate 3, October 28, 1965

                                             http://www.uniya.org/images/spacer1x1.gif                                            After quoting Nostra Aetate 3, as given above, the Pope says:

“My brothers, when I think of this spiritual heritage (Islam) and the value it has for man and for society, its capacity of offering, particularly in the young, guidance for life, filling the gap left by materialism, and giving a reliable foundation to social and juridical organization, I wonder if it is not urgent, precisely today when Christians and Muslims have entered a new period of history, to recognize and develop the spiritual bonds that unite us, in order to preserve and promote together for the benefit of all men, ‘peace, liberty, social justice and moral values’ as the Council calls upon us to do (Nostra Aetate 3).”
John Paul II, address to the Catholic community of Ankara, Turkey, November 29, 1979

"I close my greeting to you with the words of one of my predecessors, Pope Gregory VII who in 1076 wrote to Al-Nasir, the Muslim Ruler of Bijaya, present day Algeria: ‘Almighty God, who wishes that all should be saved and none lost, approves nothing in so much as that after loving Him one should love his fellow man, and that one should not do to others, what one does not want done to oneself. You and we owe this charity to ourselves especially because we believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way, and daily praise and venerate him, the creator of the world and ruler of this world.’

“These words, written almost a thousand years ago, express my feelings to you today as you celebrate ‘Id al-Fitr, the Feast of the Breaking of the Fast. May the Most High God fill us with all His merciful love and peace.”

           **John Paul II, Message to the faithful of Islam at the end                of the month of Ramadan, April 3, 1991**

 

[exoflare]

And so Matt, how exactly does the statement you posted refute the one made by Pope Pius XI?

 

[springbreeze]

Dear friend

One thing I know is that if people can’t discuss religions and different faiths without being offensive, then that clealry shows that people do not have the grace for inter-faith discussion and it will only lead to heated and offensive debate that does not lead to peace and unity of people’s but rather will lead to hatred and discord.

If at first people do not come to discussion from the stand point of desiring peace and possessing tolerance rather than the stand-point of condemnation and accusation then it will bear no fruit.

This thread will bear no fruit because people do not desire it. Some people simply wish to condemn and in that condemning by their own mearge efforts expect to convert people to their own faith. This will never happen. Only the Holy Spirit converts hearts. Further than this such extreme lack of tolerance does not endear people to a given faith, it merely drives the wedge of hatred in further and drives community against community.

It is possible to possess spiritual pride and in that pride people are blinded in their effort to love their neighbour. The Truth is never forced upon people’s it has to be embraced. In conflict between people’s, those people distance themselves from God, we are all children of God, He is in all of us and so we are joined as such.

The differences between ourselves are of no importance, what is of importance is that we love each other. If this is forgotten when discussing faiths, then we have forgotten God.

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa

 

[MGEISING]

springbreeze:

The differences between ourselves are of no importance, what is of importance is that we love each other. If this is forgotten when discussing faiths, then we have forgotten God.

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa

Hello Teresa:

I agree with you whole-heartedly. With my inlaws I get this all the time. They are fundamental Baptist. Their Sunday school teaches about other faiths, slanted by of course, their faith. You should hear what they have been taught about Catholism.

It was hard for me to be in a group and listen to this type of stuff. At one point they were talking about if you can’t speak English you shouldn’t be here in America. I asked - but that is what America is all about, diversity. So this is the mind set of the people I sometimes have to interject with … and I can’t just cut myself off from them.

So, in the meantime, I pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance and for me to tolerate such horrible ideals. My family and I spent 5 hours at the Hocost Museum in WA, DC … and if there is one thing I walked out of there with is that - we must love everyone … no matter their faith, color, religious beliefs.

God, please help us.

 

[MGEISING]

meedo:

My religion is not evil

Meedo:

I don’t believe that your religion is evil. But many people do - and many churches, most especially evengelical fundamental baptist are teaching it in their Sunday School classes for Adults. Believe me, they desecrate all religions other than their own.

It is sad. My thread wasn’t to upset you - but to really really understand why people will study horrible truths.

 

[Matt25]

exoflare:

And so Matt, how exactly does the statement you posted refute the one made by Pope Pius XI?

Can you provide a link to that particular statement?

I also draw your attention to the definitive Catholic statement on these matters vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

DECLARATION ON
THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
NOSTRA AETATE
PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON OCTOBER 28, 1965

1. In our time, when day by day mankind is being drawn closer together, and the ties between different peoples are becoming stronger, the Church examines more closely he relationship to non- Christian religions…

One is the community of all peoples, one their origin, for God made the whole human race to live over the face of the earth. One also is their final goal, God. His providence, His manifestations of goodness, His saving design extend to all men, until that time when the elect will be united in the Holy City, the city ablaze with the glory of God, where the nations will walk in His light.

Men expect from the various religions answers to the unsolved riddles of the human condition, which today, even as in former times, deeply stir the hearts of men: What is man? What is the meaning, the aim of our life? What is moral good, what sin? Whence suffering and what purpose does it serve? Which is the road to true happiness? What are death, judgment and retribution after death? What, finally, is that ultimate inexpressible mystery which encompasses our existence: whence do we come, and where are we going?

1. From ancient times down to the present, there is found among various peoples a certain perception of that hidden power which hovers over the course of things and over the events of human history; at times some indeed have come to the recognition of a Supreme Being, or even of a Father. This perception and recognition penetrates their lives with a profound religious sense.

Religions, however, that are bound up with an advanced culture have struggled to answer the same questions by means of more refined concepts and a more developed language. Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry…Again, Buddhism, in its various forms, realizes the radical insufficiency of this changeable world…Likewise, other religions found everywhere try to counter the restlessness of the human heart, each in its own manner, by proposing “ways,” comprising teachings, rules of life, and sacred rites. The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.

** The Church, therefore, exhorts her sons, that through dialogue and collaboration with the followers of other religions, carried out with prudence and love and in witness to the Christian faith and life, they recognize, preserve and promote the good things, spiritual and moral, as well as the socio-cultural values found among these men. **

1. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

** Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom. **

 

[exoflare]

Matt25:

Can you provide a link to that particular statement?

Sorry, I guess there was no real statement posted. Somebody had only paraphrased that Pius XI had allegedly called Islam a “diabolical” religion. I should have phrased that better.

What I’m asking is, how does the Catechism’s statement on Muslims contradict the assertion that Islam is a false (or even possibly “diabolical”) religion? I was getting the impression that you’re trying to refute what it said there in the Catechism, but sorry if I misunderstood.

 

[exoflare]

Matt25:

Can you provide a link to that particular statement?

I also draw your attention to the definitive Catholic statement on these matters vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

I’m glad you brought this out in the open too. There’s really not much time now, but I’ll try to expand more on that later when I can.