Is it a sin for a cop to lie to a criminal suspect?

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All lies, every last one. I refuse to resort to such deception. Remember what Shakspere said? Ah, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to decive.
Don’t you remember when Henry V concealed his identity as he went among his troops, in order to get the opinions that no one would offer a king to his face? There is no indication that Shakespeare thought this was inappropriate behavior.

Not all deceptions are created equal. The Church teaches against deception, and yet doesn’t teach that deception is always wrong or that moral action never requires it. Shakespeare didn’t, either.
 
Being one of the good guys puts us at a disadvantage against the bad guys who will use any means to an end, good or bad. Deliberately telling an untruth to deceive is always wrong. Dipping into the bad guy’s playbook is a no-no, no matter what the TV shows like The Shield and 24 tell you.
Actually the Catholic Church disagrees with you on this as I showed when I posted paragraph of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. But in case you missed it, here it is again.
2484 The gravity of a lie is measured against the nature of the truth it deforms, the circumstances, the intentions of the one who lies, and the harm suffered by its victims. To lie is to speak or act against the truth in order to lead someone into error.

In this case, a lie by a law enforcement officer, is not done in order to lead someone into error, it is done to find the truth. The “victim” in such a case does not suffer any harm, they are brought to justice, unless someone thinks that justice is harm.
It needs to be looked at on a case by case basis but in the case put forward by the OP it would not be a mortal sin and in my mind not that wrong at all.
 
A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie. And it’s EVIL.
Suffice it to say that you won’t be pursuing a career in undercover police work. Fair enough. Your reasons could not be better.

I don’t think there’s much to gain from giving you any more arguments, at any rate. Your position has been made crystal clear and in no uncertain terms!

I wouldn’t go to you to hide me from the Nazis, but if I had money no one knew about that I wanted to stash in order to take care of my family when the war was over, I know who I’d go to!

Every last penny would still be there, I’d be certain of it. 👍
 
Suffice it to say that you won’t be pursuing a career in undercover police work. Fair enough. Your reasons could not be better.

I don’t think there’s much to gain from giving you any more arguments, at any rate. Your position has been made crystal clear and in no uncertain terms!

I wouldn’t go to you to hide me from the Nazis, but if I had money no one knew about that I wanted to stash in order to take care of my family when the war was over, I know who I’d go to!

Every last penny would still be there, I’d be certain of it. 👍
I don’t wanna be no pig anyway.
 
I resent the implication that a police officer pursuing child predators, the Pope, or an interrogating police officer are somehow denying their call to serve the Truth and in some way sinning to their eternal detriment. They deserve our respect and gratitude as what they do they do serves the Truth- Jesus Christ.
Perhaps you misunderstood what it was I was saying. Certainly you shouldn’t “resent” what I had to say on the subject, and if you did I apologize. However, I am not a priest, nor a theologian, nor a philosopher. I am a sheriff’s deputy. My entire life I have been taught that lying is a sin; however, I believe that while this is true, that there are circumstances concerning “the lie” that either raise the seriousness of it (mortal sin) or lower it (venial sin). It is my opinion, that law enforcement officers who deceive “perps” in an attempt to circumvent criminal activity are NOT committing a mortal sin. They are, in fact, helping to prevent further sins (mortal) from be committed. So, if you disagree with this and choose to resent what I have said then so be it. The point of my post was that lying in these circumstances is, in my opinion, at best a venial sin.
 
I don’t wanna be no pig anyway.
I don’t believe that neo canaan actually has a beef with the act of lying. He obviously just dislikes law enforcement. Perhaps at some point in his life he was lied to by an officer?
 
I don’t believe that neo canaan actually has a beef with the act of lying. He obviously just dislikes law enforcement. Perhaps at some point in his life he was lied to by an officer?
Is Neo for real? Read his posts, then decide. :nope:
 
Perhaps you misunderstood what it was I was saying. Certainly you shouldn’t “resent” what I had to say on the subject, and if you did I apologize. However, I am not a priest, nor a theologian, nor a philosopher. I am a sheriff’s deputy. My entire life I have been taught that lying is a sin; however, I believe that while this is true, that there are circumstances concerning “the lie” that either raise the seriousness of it (mortal sin) or lower it (venial sin). It is my opinion, that law enforcement officers who deceive “perps” in an attempt to circumvent criminal activity are NOT committing a mortal sin. They are, in fact, helping to prevent further sins (mortal) from be committed. So, if you disagree with this and choose to resent what I have said then so be it. The point of my post was that lying in these circumstances is, in my opinion, at best a venial sin.
I was trying to defend what you do in your job, even when you use deception in pursuit of the truth. I don’t believe it is even a venial sin in any regard so long as the intent is to gain the truth and gather evidence to convict the guilty.
 
And I say regardless of the circumstances, a lie is a big fat SIN.
 
Interesting. Can you fill me in some more on this new change to Canadian law?
I seem to have just found out about this. But apparently it’s been around since 2002.

rabble.ca/news_full_story.shtml?sh_itm=b87cc1b149bc999aa3fe90666a232ca2&r=1

BILL C-24
Organized Crime Legislation

Passed by the House of Commons on June 13, 2001. Most of the provisions came into force on January 7, 2002. The remaining two sections — allowing police officers to commit crimes during a police investigation and the forfeit of the proceeds of crime section — will come into existence on Febuary 1, 2002.

AndyF
 
In the immortal words of the late Michael Gray, “Don’t go tellin’ a lie.”
 
I don’t wanna be no pig anyway.
Pig? Let’s not call names, especially those in legitimate authority, dear Neo.

But perhaps you didn’t mean to say you don’t want to be a police officer. Perhaps you were referring to the old adage, and saying that you want to remain humble and teachable:

Don’t try to teach a pig to sing. You’ll just frustrate yourself, and annoy the pig.
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Even though they wouldn’t be much use in undercover work, I would bet that there would be room for a strictly honest man in police work.
 
Under no circumstance is lying to a suspect to get a confession a sin…it’s called living and interacting in the real world.

Think about it:

Cop- Hello suspect, I am here to get you to confess to the murder and robbery. I don’t have any evidence against you and unless you confess, I will have to let you go with no charges. If you do confess that you murdered all those people, then I will charge you. I have to be honest and tell only the truth, because I am a good Catholic, it would be best for you if you didn’t answer any questions. In fact, what you should do is plug your ears with your fingers and sing La La La La, while I am speaking. If you feel like confessing, stop and think about it before doing so…you will likely go to jail for the rest of your life. If you feel like confessing, I’ll let you have a 15 minute break to decide if that’s what you really want to do…you ready for the interogation?

Cop - Sorry Chief, I couldn’t get the perp to confess to the murder…

Everyone - please take a deep breath of common sense.
 
Under no circumstance is lying to a suspect to get a confession a sin…it’s called living and interacting in the real world.

Think about it:

Cop- Hello suspect, I am here to get you to confess to the murder and robbery. I don’t have any evidence against you and unless you confess, I will have to let you go with no charges. If you do confess that you murdered all those people, then I will charge you. I have to be honest and tell only the truth, because I am a good Catholic, it would be best for you if you didn’t answer any questions. In fact, what you should do is plug your ears with your fingers and sing La La La La, while I am speaking. If you feel like confessing, stop and think about it before doing so…you will likely go to jail for the rest of your life. If you feel like confessing, I’ll let you have a 15 minute break to decide if that’s what you really want to do…you ready for the interogation?

Cop - Sorry Chief, I couldn’t get the perp to confess to the murder…

Everyone - please take a deep breath of common sense.
But the real world is a sinful, secular, fat cat devil world. which is why Jesus is not of that world. And besides, the fuzz uses the devil’s talk known as cursing, using the 14 words we must NEVER say.
 
Friedrich Nietzsche
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
William Pitt, speech, Nov. 18, 1783
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
Ecclesiates 3:16:
Moreover I saw under the sun that in the place of justice, even there was wickedness, and in the place of righteousness, even there was wickedness.
 
I would never join the fuzz-- they not only lie, they use the devil’s talk.
 
I would never join the fuzz-- they not only lie, they use the devil’s talk.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say Neo might have a criminal history. 😃 Just kidding dude. But I would say that you probably have had negative contact with law enforcement (pigs, fuzz, 5.0, rollaz, bulls, etc).

In my experience, the only ones who complain about how good cops do their job is the bad guys and thier lawyers.

Is it a sin? No. No more that it is to kill in self defense or in a just war.

Neo, thanks for not trying to become a cop. In the off chance you could pass the psychological test, it’d be scary for you to have a firearm.
 
Umm, so it’s a mortal sin for cops to lie to a suspect to get a confession, but it’s okay for parents to lie to their children about Santa Clause living at the North Pole and riding a sleigh pulled by eight flying reindeer (or nine, if Rudolph is in the picture).

Something is wrong with this picture.

(Caveat: I have not actually done a thread comparison to see which posters are actually living with this moral disconnect. For all I know, there may be none.)

DaveBj
 
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