Is it a sin for a cop to lie to a criminal suspect?

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It is rather common for police officers to lie to criminal suspects that they are questioning. More often than not, the police officer will do this in order to obtain from the suspect information about a crime that he otherwise would not have obtained had he been completely honest with the suspect.

Is it a mortal sin for a police officer to lie in such a situation? Any thoughts?
 
Yes, it is a mortal sin. Isn’t it also entrapment?
Mortal? That’s kind of a stretch. I think you could get a roomful of moral theologians discussing any particular case, and like lawyers laid end to end, they might never reach a conclusion.

PS–It’s only entrapment if their actions cause him to commit a crime he would not otherwise have committed.
 
Mortal? That’s kind of a stretch. I think you could get a roomful of moral theologians discussing any particular case, and like lawyers laid end to end, they might never reach a conclusion.

PS–It’s only entrapment if their actions cause him to commit a crime he would not otherwise have committed.
Well the three requirements to make the lie mortal are there. So are you saying it’s just a venial sin, or no sin at all?

Three things are necessary for a sin to be mortal:
  1. Serious matter
  2. Knowledge or firm belief that the act is seriously wrong prior to committing the act;
  3. Full consent of the will.
 
Well the three requirements to make the lie mortal are there. So are you saying it’s just a venial sin, or no sin at all?

Three things are necessary for a sin to be mortal:
  1. Serious matter
  2. Knowledge or firm belief that the act is seriously wrong prior to committing the act;
  3. Full consent of the will.
I would say based on the info given, we don’t know if any of those conditions are met.
  1. Serious matter. How serious was the crime? How big was the lie? Did the cop say something like, ‘look, we talked to your accomplice and he told us everything.’ when they didn’t?
  2. Full knowledge. Does the cop know that what he is doing is wrong, or does he think it is just standard procedure? Or does he think it is a positive good because it will get a dangerous criminal off the street?
  3. Full consent of the will. Well, you’ve got me there, if he did the lie, he probably intended to do it. But in the absence of the first two conditions, it still wouldn’t be mortal.
If the criminal has been Mirandized, he already knows that anything he says is fair game to use against him.

On a similar note, if a Mom gives her teenage son “the look,” and says, “ok, you must know that I already know, so out with it!” in order to bluff a confession of wrongdoing out of him, is that also a sin?

And Mom’s hardly ever Mirandize their kids.
 
It is rather common for police officers to lie to criminal suspects that they are questioning. More often than not, the police officer will do this in order to obtain from the suspect information about a crime that he otherwise would not have obtained had he been completely honest with the suspect.

Is it a mortal sin for a police officer to lie in such a situation? Any thoughts?
Because of the Great Crash of 2006, I can’t reference you to a good thread on this issue.

First I would like to cite the Catechism:

2488 The right to the communication of the truth is not unconditional. Everyone must conform his life to the Gospel precept of fraternal love. This requires us in concrete situations to judge whether or not it is appropriate to reveal the truth to someone who asks for it.

Based on this, I am sure that all would agree that a suspect is not entitled to the truth. For one thing, if the truth was completely known, there would be little need to question the suspect.

Then the question comes is there ever a reason where deception is legitimate. For an easy answer, I’ll ask a rhetorical question.

It is well documented that during WWII, the Pope aided in the protection of Jews. Many times he told the Nazi’s that he wasn’t harboring or cooperating in the escape and protection of Jews. If he had told the “truth”, he, many Christians and many Jews would have been slaughtered.

The moral justification for the Pope’s “lie” is grounded in three realities:
  1. The Nazi’s had no legitimate right to the truth as they intended to use the truth for immoral purposes- the genocide of Jews.
  2. The effect of telling the truth would be a cooperation with knowledge and consent to the doing of evil.
  3. One can never be forced to do evil against their will and under duress one can take any action necessary and appropriate (proporationate) to remove the the duress.
Now let’s go to the question at hand. As I said earlier, the suspect isn’t entitled to the truth (or whatever facts are known). But is there justification in using deception similar to the Pope’s active use of deception of the Nazi’s in an effort to gain truthful information from a suspect?

For an answer to this I’d like to introduce the Principle of the Double Effect: This principle aims to provide specific guidelines for determining when it is morally permissible to perform an action in pursuit of a good end in full knowledge that the action will also bring about bad results. The principle has its historical roots in the medieval natural law tradition, especially in the thought of Thomas Aquinas (1225?-1274), and has been refined both in its general formulation and in its application by generations of Catholic moral theologians.

Formulation of the Principle. Classical formulations of the principle of double effect require that four conditions be met if the action in question is to be morally permissible: first, that the action contemplated be in itself either morally good or morally indifferent; second, that the bad result not be directly intended; third, that the good result not be a direct causal result of the bad result; and fourth, that the good result be “proportionate to” the bad result. Supporters of the principle argue that, in situations of “double effect” where all these conditions are met, the action under consideration is morally permissible despite the bad result.

Another justification for this can be found in the Just War Theory. Like the Pope was engaged in legitimate war with the Nazi’s, a legitimate government has the right to protect itself and its citizens. From this right, certain exceptions from absolute prohibitions become morally permissable. For instance, innocent civilians can be killed so long as the action served a proportionate military purpose and proportionate action had been taken to mitigate the civilian deaths. Similarly, the police in the performance of their legitimate duty to protect the citizens are morally permitted to use “military” tactics that otherwise would be considered immoral by individuals.

Another concept that is applicable in this case (and potentially most persuasive) is the concept of legitimate self defense. Criminals place society under duress. The legitimate pursuit of protecting society allows for extra-ordinary actions that will relieve society of the duress. As the legitimate representative of society, the police are authorized to take proportionate action that will result in the removal of the duress (the incarceration of criminals).
 
Yes, it is a mortal sin. Isn’t it also entrapment?
Agree, the end does not justify the means.

Canada has taken this liberty one step further, and now it’s OK for police to commit a crime if it serves their purpose. “Crime” was the wording in every sense of the word also.

It’s going to be interesting to see how effective they are at policing themselves and warding off temptations that this liberty brings. No doubt the tabloids will have field day with this one.

Andy
 
Agree, the end does not justify the means.

Canada has taken this liberty one step further, and now it’s OK for police to commit a crime if it serves their purpose. “Crime” was the wording in every sense of the word also.

It’s going to be interesting to see how effective they are at policing themselves and warding off temptations that this liberty brings. No doubt the tabloids will have field day with this one.

Andy
Interesting. Can you fill me in some more on this new change to Canadian law?
 
I know that lying is sinful, but wouldn’t you have to consider the nature of the lie before deciding whether it is a grave matter or not? Wouldn’t a serious and highly deceiving lie = grave matter and a non-serious = venial? Not that venial sins are acceptable, but it seems everything that is sinful instantly gets deemed mortal on this forum.
 
It is rather common for police officers to lie to criminal suspects that they are questioning. More often than not, the police officer will do this in order to obtain from the suspect information about a crime that he otherwise would not have obtained had he been completely honest with the suspect.

Is it a mortal sin for a police officer to lie in such a situation? Any thoughts?
It’s called good police work. It’s not a mortal sin in the least.
 
If anyone has been watching ABC’s 20/20 series on sexual predators, you will note that the good guys–the group that is trying to convict these guys–always lie to them first to get them to come to the house. i.e. the decoy says that she is a 13 year old girl, home alone, when she is not.
 
Me, I am much more comfortable with the idea that to lie–as long as it is a lie and not something else conditional–is never justifiable and that policing norms should change.

It is commonplace for police to do a lot of things that aren’t right and even go against the police code of ethics. That, however, does not justify them.
 
I have told my kids that the police are allowed to lie and that it is ok for them to lie, because they have a special job to find out the truth in order to protect the rest of us from people who so often lie to cover up their crimes. I think it is important for kids to know this, and I think that the age of reason is a good time to start learning it. I also let them know that unless time is of the essence for the police, they may wait to tell the truth until they have a lawyer who is on their side to give them advice and defend them from unfair questions.

I tell them, "Whatever you do, either tell the truth or be quiet until the lawyer who is on your side gets there to be with you. If they tell you that your friend is telling a different story, that does not mean that they do not believe you. Maybe your friend is telling a lie or maybe they are saying that just to see if you will change your story. That is not your worry to figure out. You do not have to accuse your friend of anything in order to defend yourself. Just say, “I don’t know why they would say that, because the truth is this.” If they say they have seen things that don’t fit your story, and you don’t know how that could be, say the same: “I can’t tell you about that. All I know is what I know about firsthand, and I am telling the truth.” If they think they might be mistaken, it is okay to admit it: “I could be wrong, that is always possible, but I am not lying.”

I think it is important for kids to know why it is ok for the police to lie and why they don’t need to worry if it seems as if the police do not believe them. From my point of view, the police are only doing their job, and the instances and ways in which they may lie are limited. They may not lie in court, after all, and they may not lie to the district attorney. They may not lie in order to lure someone into committing a crime. They may only lie in order to get someone to tell the truth, and even that in ways that are not coercive.
 
I have told my kids that the police are allowed to lie and that it is ok for them to lie, because they have a special job to find out the truth in order to protect the rest of us from people who so often lie to cover up their crimes. I think it is important for kids to know this, and I think that the age of reason is a good time to start learning it. I also let them know that unless time is of the essence for the police, they may wait to tell the truth until they have a lawyer who is on their side to give them advice and defend them from unfair questions.

I tell them, "Whatever you do, either tell the truth or be quiet until the lawyer who is on your side gets there to be with you. If they tell you that your friend is telling a different story, that does not mean that they do not believe you. Maybe your friend is telling a lie or maybe they are saying that just to see if you will change your story. That is not your worry to figure out. You do not have to accuse your friend of anything in order to defend yourself. Just say, “I don’t know why they would say that, because the truth is this.” If they say they have seen things that don’t fit your story, and you don’t know how that could be, say the same: “I can’t tell you about that. All I know is what I know about firsthand, and I am telling the truth.” If they think they might be mistaken, it is okay to admit it: “I could be wrong, that is always possible, but I am not lying.”

I think it is important for kids to know why it is ok for the police to lie and why they don’t need to worry if it seems as if the police do not believe them. From my point of view, the police are only doing their job, and the instances and ways in which they may lie are limited. They may not lie in court, after all, and they may not lie to the district attorney. They may not lie in order to lure someone into committing a crime. They may only lie in order to get someone to tell the truth, and even that in ways that are not coercive.
All the same, a lie is a lie, and that doesn’t wash in the bible.
 
Anyone else see the irony in the above?
(By the way, good advice to the kids!)
I should have been clear in saying that the kids also know that the police may not just lie whenever they feel like it, and that they can lose their jobs or go to jail for lying when it is not allowed, just like anyone else. They also know that police who don’t follow the rules to put people in jail may force the judge to let a guilty person go, so that the police will want to follow the rules for the sake of the rest of us.

In the case of interrogation, I do think it is a case of not having the duty to tell the truth to someone who may not have the right to it. If I didn’t, I would think it our duty to get the law changed so that the police may not use evidence or confessions which they obtained by lying. We may not morally benefit from the immoral behavior of those who serve us. If you believe the police should never lie, you probably should work to change the law so that they can’t legally do that.
 
I personally believe that to knowingly lie is a sin. However, and I know 99% will disagree with me here, is it not possible that in SOME rare cases it is an “acceptable sin.” Before I’m beat down, when I say the word “acceptable” I mean it in the sense of being acceptable over the alternative of not lying. I do not mean it in the sense that God accepts the sin itself as being good since that is an impossibility. For example, if a CIA operative must infiltrate a radical Islamic group in order to discover the details relating to a known impending terrorist attack on innocent people, would not the lie told by the operative (though a sin) be far more “acceptable” than deciding not to infiltrate the group and later finding out that 1000s of people died a horrid death? Besides this, one might argue that the one lying is not actually doing so freely. He/she may not wish to lie but in fact has little choice in the matter. If you know that the lives of innocent people depend on you, is there really free-will on the part of the one who is to lie? Going back to the OP’s scenario, if a law enforcement officer lies to a “perp” in order to get information which may prevent further crime or save a life, is that officer really doing so freely because he wants to lie, or is he doing so because it is the only way in which to stop a greater evil?
So, as a sheriff’s deputy, I would have to vote that lying in these situations, while a sin, does not rise to the level of being mortal. Still, it would be wise to confess these lies during Confession.
 
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