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Colin_Fry
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how so?
If used for medicinal purposes, narcotics are morally okay. That may be broad, but it still answers the question.
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redhen
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Question, why would God create cannabinoid receptors in our brains, if not to receive cannabinoids ?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_receptor
Alcohol, on the other hand has no specific receptors in the brain, it just uses a shotgun approach, depressing the central nervous system and destroying brain cells. Not to mention liver cells.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_receptor
Alcohol, on the other hand has no specific receptors in the brain, it just uses a shotgun approach, depressing the central nervous system and destroying brain cells. Not to mention liver cells.
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jkiernan56
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Thank you Ed for that article. I don’t want you to think that I don’t take your ideas or concerns seriously. I think you have some very valid points. I am also of the mind that between two extremes is the middle and that is where the truth lies. When I have the time, I will read the article from the Pontifical Council for the Family and let you know what I think. I am not advocating carte blanche for smoking marijuana. But neither am I for prohibition. Alcohol is not evil. It is the misuse of it. I think you know what I would say about marijuana use.
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warpspeedpetey
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i looked and saw more of the same bad reasoning and false implications that have made a mockery of marijuana prohibition, frankly that is not the experience of most potheads.
and what good was prohibition?, it stopped nothing, people still drank all the time, and had the same social problems. there were gang killings and it was repealed for those reasons in little more than a decade. prohibition simply doesnt work. check out this website.
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fbl9
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you have now.a little bowl before helps me last,and the “high” helps the woman relax and enjoy…
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LilyM
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I’d say that killing brain cells is only one side effect - one that you seem to be focusing on to the exclusion of all other factors.
In terms of PHYSICAL effects of excessive drinking, they mainly seem to be confined mostly to two - cirrhosis of the liver and in infrequent cases liver cancer. Now the liver is a very highly resilient organ and often capable of repairing at least some damage done by drinking once it is ceased.
Pollution in most cities isn’t even really an issue, levels have been dropping significantly over the last few decades with the introduction of unleaded petrol for cars, among other things.
Smoking of all kinds, on the other hand - there are at least four different types of cancer alone, mouth, tongue, throat and lung. These can be given to others by your smoking as well - through their ingestion of your (unfiltered) smoke, called passive smoking.
Then there’s emphysema, irreversible lung damage, which pretty much every smoker has to at least some degree (unlike drinkers with any disease), and God alone knows what other damage the cocktail of chemicals in the smoke from a cigarette - or a joint - does to you. I’m only concentrating on diseases that will pretty much directly come from smoking or drinking as opposed to things like heart disease that can be exacerbated by both.
As for ingestion - well, we know that those who chew tobacco as opposed to smoking it also get tongue, throat and mouth cancer, so it doesn’t help them much healthwise. In a similar way I’d imagine ingestion of cannabis still has plenty of health impacts of its own.
The MAIN difference between alcohol and cannabis is that we in the West have had alcohol with and among us for at least three or four thousand years. We’ve had plenty of opportunity to gauge its effects and its health benefits as well - even the bible notes that, whilst drunkeness is a sin, wine in moderation ‘gladdens the heart’. The ‘safe’ levels of drinking are now pretty well established and it is simiarly well established that in moderation it IMPROVES rather than detracting from your health.
Cannabis? We don’t even KNOW for certain that there is a safe level, nor what that safe level is. But there certainly isn’t a safe level for smoking, so there’s no reason to believe that there IS a safe level for cannabis.
There are no production standards as there are for alcoholic drinks. Your pot won’t come with a label clearly telling you what amount of THC or other dangerous chemicals it has in it, unlike your bottle of beer or wine which tells you the percentage of alcohol and, in Australia, how many ‘standard drinks’ per bottle.
Cannabis simply hasn’t been studied enough, nor has its use been widespread long enough for experiential evidence to build up, for it to be studied as intensively as alcohol. Admittedly the illegality of it makes it even more difficult to study, people will be reluctant to report usage levels and so on.
The simple principle - if in doubt, don’t. There is no doubt at all that moderate drinking is safe. There IS doubt, or at least a lack of evidence, that consumption of cannabis, even at low levels, is safe. It certainly can’t be claimed or proven to have the general and widespread health benefits that moderate drinking does, however useful it might be for people with glaucoma or AIDS patients.
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LilyM
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Weak.
God created Satan - should we worship him? God created thieves and prostitutes and child abusers - does that make those pastimes OK? God creates many capabilities that we can, if we exercise our free will, misuse. It’s part of being a sensible human being that we don’t.
It’s likely that those cannabinoid receptors respond to other chemicals in any event, and not just the cannabinoids. THOSE might well be the reason.
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Matariel
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God made wine to “cheer men’s hearts”, it says in the Bible.
Other types of alcohol, we conclude, are for the same reason.
Does this not also apply to marijuana?
If so, does the government really have authority to deprive someone of that choice, if they freely choose it, and are responsible with it? Why or why not?
I’m just stimulating responses. I’m not taking sides yet.
Other types of alcohol, we conclude, are for the same reason.
Does this not also apply to marijuana?
If so, does the government really have authority to deprive someone of that choice, if they freely choose it, and are responsible with it? Why or why not?
I’m just stimulating responses. I’m not taking sides yet.
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warpspeedpetey
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i just woke up from a dirt nap too, hope you mean your wife.
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LilyM
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Scripture nowhere suggests that it also applies to marijuana, neither to my knowledge has any Christian church ever taught such. We can’t assume that it does.
And unlike alcohol, Jesus didn’t teach by example by turning parsley into skunk or commanding us to puff on a joint in His memory.
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warpspeedpetey
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we do have thousands of years of experience with cannabis, and we know the lethal dose is 400 times the effective dose, making it impossible to overdose. as to other forms of ingestion, imeant to eat it in brownies.
we have millions of guinea pigs who have tested cannabis, many more than official studies would use, and we still have no overdoses, or any real health problems other than what you may have from smoking it. and there are millions of people who have ingested it for decades with no attributed ill effects. seems pretty safe from an anecdotal standpoint
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redhen
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satan, thieves, prostitutes, child abusers… these are all normative traits, i.e. value judgements, good - evil, right-wrong, etc.
I’m talking about biological traits, created in man by God.
Nope sorry, CB receptors only bind with cannabinoids. They are very specific. There must be a reason God created them in our brain.
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warpspeedpetey
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the movie that kicked off marijauna prohibition is on the independnt film channel (IFC) right now
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fbl9
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dirt nap
don’t want to know either…yes my wife…i would have put well duh
,but i thought you might, or others would,be offended.
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warpspeedpetey
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“hi i am a cradle catholic who after many years wallowing in the dirt have finally woke up.”dirt nap
i was reffering to the statement in your profile., sorry
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Ana
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Originally Posted by warpspeedpetey forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
*, and i have never heard anyone uses it as a sexual aid.
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One night I took a couple hits of marijuana and for the first time in many years was able to experience sexual pleasure with my husband. I cried with gratitude and thanked God for an answer to our prayers. Still, I had been so conditioned by society to think it was wrong, I continued to pray and question, even though I knew in my heart it was a tree that was bearing good fruit, because not only was my sex life resurrected, but my depression was significantly lessened and more managable. AND after years of struggling to stay a size 2, I have been hanging at a healthy size 6. It helps my appetite.
My heart was finally set to rest by an elderly parish priest whom I trust. He never hesitates to tell the truth. After hearing my story, much of it told through tears, he confirmed what I knew but was afraid to believe. You can tell a tree by it’s fruit. This tree was producing good fruit in my life and that of my family, and I thank God for it.
I don’t care what any reports say, I see how it has helped me and therefore my family, and I cannot deny THAT reality.
*, and i have never heard anyone uses it as a sexual aid.
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As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, my sex life with my husband was severely affected. For years attempts towards intimacy with my husband, resulted in flashbacks and suicidal thoughts. It was emotionally devastating for both of us. Years of prayer and therapy insued, and though I had many spiritual healings, my physical sexual problems remained.
One night I took a couple hits of marijuana and for the first time in many years was able to experience sexual pleasure with my husband. I cried with gratitude and thanked God for an answer to our prayers. Still, I had been so conditioned by society to think it was wrong, I continued to pray and question, even though I knew in my heart it was a tree that was bearing good fruit, because not only was my sex life resurrected, but my depression was significantly lessened and more managable. AND after years of struggling to stay a size 2, I have been hanging at a healthy size 6. It helps my appetite.
My heart was finally set to rest by an elderly parish priest whom I trust. He never hesitates to tell the truth. After hearing my story, much of it told through tears, he confirmed what I knew but was afraid to believe. You can tell a tree by it’s fruit. This tree was producing good fruit in my life and that of my family, and I thank God for it.
I don’t care what any reports say, I see how it has helped me and therefore my family, and I cannot deny THAT reality.
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liberalcatholic
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Jesus did not seek his own pleasure, so why should we. God will provide us with everything we need. Why should we use our knowledge of good and evil to feel good. Smoking marijuana to feel good is no different than having sex or masterbating to feel good. Again, if we trust in Jesus and follow him we will not need to seek out our own pleasure, the Love of God will be our reward now and in Heaven. If you smoke marijuana or do other drugs to feel good, start praying, ask God for mercy, repent; and you will be on the way of saving your soul, no matter how lost you might think you are. Peace be with you. God bless you. God love you, now and forever. 
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LilyM
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Nowhere NEAR the extent that we have with alcohol, sweetheart. Its use just hasn’t been as constant, as widespread and as open for that.
And the best you can do is ‘it doesn’t kill people through overdose, therefore it’s fine and dandy?’ Don’t make me laugh. Ingestion is still ingestion - there’s such things as stomach and colon cancer y’know.
Look, I’m thrilled that the guinea pigs were fine. You do know, don’t you, that strychnine is fine for sheep and fatal for humans? There’s a reason why drug companies test on humans before drugs are declared safe for use. And being illegal, proper testing of cannabis on humans a la alcohol and legal drugs, can never ethically happen.
You mean to say every chemical known to man has been matched against those receptors so that it can be conclusively shown that none of the others would bind to them? What about the ones we DON’T know about? You’re not suggesting that we know all about all of them.
As for why God created us with cannabinoid receptors - why do we have vestigial tailbones? Why appendixes and tonsils, which do little of any serious import apart from getting infected in a large percentage of us. And which we can do just as well without so they certainly aren’t necessary to us in any way?
Why did He create an animal - the babirussa - that is born with tusks, as if it needs to eat in the womb! Just because something exists doesn’t necessarily mean we have to use it!
God has all sorts of similar tricks of nature, that probably exist to make Him smile as we try to figure them out as much as anything.
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