Is it a sin to attend/celebrate the Passover Seder?

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My husband is telling me that Pre-Vatican II that it was a sin to attend any non-Catholic (“pagan”) ceremonies, etc. Is there Catholic teaching that supports this prior to Vatican II? Also, what about current teaching…did it really change?

I can certainly see his point that we are taking part in a ceremony that denies Christ. Yet, I am torn on this.
 
My husband is telling me that Pre-Vatican II that it was a sin to attend any non-Catholic (“pagan”) ceremonies, etc. Is there Catholic teaching that supports this prior to Vatican II? Also, what about current teaching…did it really change?

I can certainly see his point that we are taking part in a ceremony that denies Christ. Yet, I am torn on this.
By the Grace of God, you and your husband may attend the true Passover Seder offered by and at any local Catholic Church ; otherwise, the default position is, at the existence of doubt, do not take risks with your Faith. Unquestionably the Popes taught that Catholics were not to take part in Jewish festivals, rituals, etc., prior to Vatican II, and I know of no document or Papal statement that rebuked or in any way amended this rule. Your conscience already commands you not to participate in anything that objectively or even implicitly denies Christ. Listen to it.

Pax Christi,
Tim
 
My husband is telling me that Pre-Vatican II that it was a sin to attend any non-Catholic (“pagan”) ceremonies, etc. Is there Catholic teaching that supports this prior to Vatican II? Also, what about current teaching…did it really change?

I can certainly see his point that we are taking part in a ceremony that denies Christ. Yet, I am torn on this.
Before Vatican II the Church disallowed participation in any non Catholic services or gatherings. Laity was considered children. Vatican II declared the laity adults, so anyone can decide for himself what is unacceptable risk to his or her faith.
 
Before Vatican II the Church disallowed participation in any non Catholic services or gatherings. Laity was considered children. Vatican II declared the laity adults, so anyone can decide for himself what is unacceptable risk to his or her faith.
Not sure I’m following the bolded part.
 
By the Grace of God, you and your husband may attend the true Passover Seder offered by and at any local Catholic Church ; otherwise, the default position is, at the existence of doubt, do not take risks with your Faith. Unquestionably the Popes taught that Catholics were not to take part in Jewish festivals, rituals, etc., prior to Vatican II, and I know of no document or Papal statement that rebuked or in any way amended this rule. Your conscience already commands you not to participate in anything that objectively or even implicitly denies Christ. Listen to it.

Pax Christi,
Tim
So why does it seem like it’s no longer prohibited?
 
Before Vatican II the Church disallowed participation in any non Catholic services or gatherings. Laity was considered children. Vatican II declared the laity adults, so anyone can decide for himself what is unacceptable risk to his or her faith.
Laszlo, the Catholic Church never leaves her children shipwreck or orphaned. She is our Holy Mother, and she is a most jealous and strict one at that. She does not suffer her children to be shared, as if they were but common, but guards them and watches over them with the jealousy of perfect and righteous love, and prepares all things to be suitable for them. Consider Genesis, where the mothers of the patriarchs never once suffered or desired their sons to be mixed up with those outside the family of the Faith and the followers of the promise. They did all in their power to arrange everything to go well for their sons ; how much more, than, would the Church, the mother of all believers, guard her children ?

Pax Christi,
Tim
 
My husband is telling me that Pre-Vatican II that it was a sin to attend any non-Catholic (“pagan”) ceremonies, etc. Is there Catholic teaching that supports this prior to Vatican II? Also, what about current teaching…did it really change?

I can certainly see his point that we are taking part in a ceremony that denies Christ. Yet, I am torn on this.
I doubt if there every was any such teaching as Vatican pronouncements are usually more precise and not filled with inherent contradictions i.e. “non-catholic” = “pagan”.
 
Your husband is simply wrong.

It was no sin to attend a non-Catholic wedding, funeral, etc. It would have been considered to be a sin to have directly participated in such a religious ceremony.

There is absolutely NO sin in attending a Seder. In Fact, many Catholic Churches celebrate Seders of their own.
 
Your husband is simply wrong.

It was no sin to attend a non-Catholic wedding, funeral, etc. It would have been considered to be a sin to have directly participated in such a religious ceremony.

There is absolutely NO sin in attending a Seder. In Fact, many Catholic Churches celebrate Seders of their own.
I make this contention : Catholics receive the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ at the fulfillment of the type still practiced by the Jews, which but only prefigured and foreshadowed our ritual. In the Jewish Passover meal, you receive things natural from things natural : you take and eat of bread and wine ; in the Church, of things Supernatural, which things are, consequently, more preeminent, dignified, and better. I find it dubious, to say the least, to exchange the Supernatural for things natural, to exchange our supernatural birthright in Christ ; namely, Himself, for something purely natural, and therefore inferior.

I am concerned at the Apostle’s command and warning, that when “we eat the bread and drink the cup,” as the Apostle says, “we shew the Lord’s death, until he come.” Now if we eat and drink and show not His death, in and of what do we participate ?

I would not risk Esau’s mistake. Hold fast to those things we have been given by God’s Grace, which - being in the order of Grace - are and must be things Supernatural, and Eternal, and therefore superior to anything merely on or of the earth.

Pax Christi,
Tim
 
Anti Christian paganism has a festival determined by the lunar month. Beltane is an early Spring festival of lights. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltane

Read about St. Patrick and how he interrupted the pagan festival of lights.
It was on 26 March, Easter Sunday, in 433, that the eventful assembly was to meet at Tara, and the decree went forth that from the preceding day the fires throughout the kingdom should be extinguished until the signal blaze was kindled at the royal mansion.
The chiefs and Brehons came in full numbers and the druids too would muster all their strength to bid defiance to the herald of good tidings and to secure the hold of their superstition on the Celtic race, for their demoniac oracles had announced that the messenger of Christ had come to Erin.
St Patrick arrived at the hill of Slane, at the opposite extremity of the valley from Tara, on Easter Eve, in that year the feast of the Annunciation, and on the summit of the hill kindled the Paschal fire.
Jews also used and continue to use the lunar calendar to set the date of Passover.
jewfaq.org/calendar.htm
Passover in 2011 will start on Tuesday, the 19th of April and will continue for 7 days until Monday, the 25th of April.
Easter for Christians in 2011 is on Sunday, the 24th of April.
when-is.com/easter-2011.asp

If you attend a Seder meal, hosted by a Catholic Church, you will come away with a JudeoChristian understanding of the ceremony that Jews have celebrated since the Israelites left Egypt.

catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2009/02/19/what-is-a-catholic-seder/
A Catholic seder should offer an experience that informs, educates, and inspires Christians to understand the Passover relative to the Triduum. It is a way to help Catholics understand that Jesus was a Jew, and lived in a particular time and place – which included celebrating the Passover. Come to the Table helps us understand this historical context.
This book makes a wonderful resource for any Catholic wanting to learn more about how Jewish traditions have been adapted and used in the Christian liturgy.
 
Why would you want to ?
Because the Holy Family celebrated Passover (as the Israelites did and Jews continue to do) and the Jewish Passover meal - the unleaven bread and the wine - tie into our Eucharistic celebrations and Jesus’ New Covenant.

This Catholic website describes how to host your own Christian Seder meal:

wf-f.org/Seder.html
 
Why would you want to ?
Because it is a meal that I celebrated with my family for over 30 years as a Jew…and I have since shared it with them as a Catholic. In other words, for me, this isn’t just any seder.
 
A number of our Catholic parishes hold a Passover Seder and in the Ethiopian tradition, families always have a Seder meal on Holy Thursday.

The Hebrew Catholic Association has information about how to do a Seder in one’s home, Hebrew Catholics themselves will hold Seders and they do really bring home the Judaic context in which our Lord and the Apostles lived.

I’ve come across Jewish converts to Russian Orthodoxy who continue to follow a number of their Jewish traditions and there is no reason why they should not. There was one martyr under the Bolsheviks, a Jewish convert, Saint Alexander, a medical doctor who worked with people sent to the Soloki islands. Priests saw him make the Sign of the Cross and lay icons beside the beds of sick people, but they saw he had a Jewish surname. When they asked him what he was, Alexander replied, “I’m an Orthodox . . . Jew.”

Alex
 
Anti Christian paganism has a festival determined by the lunar month. Beltane is an early Spring festival of lights. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltane

Read about St. Patrick and how he interrupted the pagan festival of lights.

Jews also used and continue to use the lunar calendar to set the date of Passover.
jewfaq.org/calendar.htm

when-is.com/easter-2011.asp

If you attend a Seder meal, hosted by a Catholic Church, you will come away with a JudeoChristian understanding of the ceremony that Jews have celebrated since the Israelites left Egypt.

catholicinformation.aquinasandmore.com/2009/02/19/what-is-a-catholic-seder/
Excellent post! In the Ukrainian tradition, we have many traditions that were formerly pagan but which are now Christianized e.g. our Christmas Eve supper traditions.

We bless kielbassa on Easter (“Easter” being the name of a pagan deity). Kielbassa was formerly a sacrificial food offered to the boar-god. Orthodox Patriarchs actually wrote letters to the Kozaks encouraging them NOT to have anything to do with kielbassa and especially not to bring to church in Easter baskets for blessing . . . But the Kozaks were a stubborn lot (thankfully . . .) 😃

We should know much more about our Judaic roots than we do, about the Judaic foundation of the majority of our Catholic traditions and deepen our spirituality as Christians accordingly.

Shalom Aleichem!

Alex
 
The celebration of the Jewish version of the Passover Seder meal, as far as I understand it, would be a sin if one was conscious of the fact that such a celebration was meant to be interpreted as a longing for the Messiah or Promised One, Who has come and can be found in any Catholic Church. If it pretends as if Christ has not come, then it is tantamount to a denial of Christ, Who is God. A Christianization of this tradition is, of course, harmless.

Christ, being God, is due all our love with all of our heart, mind, soul, and strength. But from what you are telling me, it would be a participation in a ritual celebration of another religion that, in its practice, denies Christ is come. There is a difference between family customs and traditions on one hand, and the ritualistic celebrations and enactments of religion on the other. Again, Christ Jesus is God, and if we imagine to do or offer anything to anyone save Him, we do appear to deny Him in fact and deed : Christ is “the Wisdom of God,” the very “Word of God.” He is the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, inseperable from God for and from all eternity, reigning at the Father’s right-hand in Heaven, being the very “Arm of God.” The bread speaks of His Body, and the wine of His Blood.

Now Catholic writers have been very careful and tender as regards familial bonds and relationships, and have always distinguished betwen obligations due to family and secular community (e.g., work and civil relationships), giving much more lee-way for familial bonds than anything outside the family context ; however, it appears you are not bound to this anymore, being now married. It would follow that your first duty is to Christ your God, and nowhere have I ever heard of any precedent being established that permitted us to deny Christ, implicitly or explicitly, for the sake of traditions or family.

You are a daughter of Grace, another Mary, a lily of Israel, and your citizenship is in Heaven, and your discourse there also ; your Passover Seder is of the New and Eternal Covenant, containing Christ Himself. This one promises you Life Eternal and the joy of Heaven, and it establishes you as an heir in the House and Family of God, with direct recourse always to your God ; one of the children of the free-woman ; the former, however, cannot, as it is but a type and prefigurement, fulfilled, realized and properly understood only in Christ Jesus, because He Himself is ultimately the originator even of the type. He holds the keys to its proper meaning and understanding, being the author of it, and its fulfillment.

My deepest concern is of the human inclination to return to things familiar and known and restore past habits for the sake of mere tradition. There is danger that we become tempted to revert, whether explicitly or - equally as important - implicitly, that is in heart, desire or spirit. Many customs and traditions of my own family are snares to me, for example, as they are the fruit of what is a practical atheism. Doing them without believing or accepting them is always difficult, and still more difficult to justify outside the context of utter necessity or even outright force.

I therefore am unchanged in my opinion, and feel I must warn you not to permit yourself to be even tempted to make Esau’s most grievous mistake, wherein he exchanged his birthright for a simple meal.

Pax Christi,
Tim
 
Dear Tim,

At no time is anyone suggesting anything contrary to Christianity here. Passover Seders by Christians and with a Christian understanding can be done in parish halls (as they do up here) or in family homes.

Making Christians more aware of Judaism and Jewish tradition brings home the environs in which Christ and the early Church lived.

That brings us closer to Him!

Alex
 
Dear Tim,

At no time is anyone suggesting anything contrary to Christianity here. Passover Seders by Christians and with a Christian understanding can be done in parish halls (as they do up here) or in family homes.

Making Christians more aware of Judaism and Jewish tradition brings home the environs in which Christ and the early Church lived.

That brings us closer to Him!

Alex
As I said, a Christianization of the meal, celebrated as a family tradition under the auspices of Christ, as any Christian meal is, is harmless ; however, if she means her Jewish family’s ritualistic practice of the meal, than that would be a participation in the religious celebration of another religion, which Catholics are always forbidden to do, owing in no small part to the law of Lex orandi ; lex credendi, I imagine. This cannot be justified, furthermore, on the fact that many Jewish rituals, festivals, and celebrations were, at the time of Christ’s coming, participated in by Christ Himself and His Apostles, or at least had their origins in them, for He Himself is the interpreter and, as I said, even originator of these things. He has revealed to us their proper and true meaning, and fulfilled them, as promised, and hence the Apostles would perpetuate these practices in a Christian context ; that is, with the meaning Christ gave to them, which was their purpose. Thus I make recourse to the important distinction between things merely natural, and those things that are Supernatural, which are of infinite more value, owing to their being Eternal / Ever-lasting.

Pax Christi,
Tim
 
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