Is it a sin to look at fashion magazines?

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iv always wondered about this.i like looking at teenvogue and instyle. most of the other magazines are so gross! but what if u look at them in the store or the library?a lot of the time i just want to look at a certain article but have to flip through nasty pics and whatnot. is this ok?
 
I have two questions:
  1. Is the article you want to read licit?
  2. Will flipping past the “nasty pics and whatnot” cause you any difficulty? Is it an occasion or tempation to sin for you? Only you can answer that.
 
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longshanks1011:
iv always wondered about this.i like looking at teenvogue and instyle. most of the other magazines are so gross! but what if u look at them in the store or the library?a lot of the time i just want to look at a certain article but have to flip through nasty pics and whatnot. is this ok?
I think you probably know the answer to this question yourself.
 
Mot Juste:
I have two questions:
  1. Is the article you want to read licit?
  2. Will flipping past the “nasty pics and whatnot” cause you any difficulty? Is it an occasion or tempation to sin for you? Only you can answer that.
im not sure what mean by question one and as to question 2, no its not hard to flip past those and i dont ahve am attraction to them but i still see them.
 
Let’s clarify the question.

There seems to be two questions. 1) is it a sin to read an article that requires a person to flip past dirty material? and 2) is it a sin to read an article in a magazine that is intended to be purchased?

and perhaps 3) what effect does it have on the situation if one takes into account that the magazine may promote sinful things and to purchase it would be to prolong the life of the magazine by contributing to it’s popularity?
 
I would say this is wrong even if this is not a particular struggle you have. Why? Because the devil can and will use what we have seen and experienced to influence our thoughts and bodies to evil.
 
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st_ignatius110:
I would say this is wrong even if this is not a particular struggle you have. Why? Because the devil can and will use what we have seen and experienced to influence our thoughts and bodies to evil.
If you’re speaking of sexuality, I disagree… There are tons of things that have suggestive pictures of stories in them that we either should or need to look at, like the newspaper or the news on tv or the Bible. Also, if something is overwhelingly good but has one evil thingin it or something, should one avoid it altogether? Sometimes, depending on what that evil thing is and in what context. But always? No, I’d say not.

For example. The Devil can use alcohol for his purposes. Ought one who has no struggle with it to avoid it altogether? No, and the Church does not suggest this. BUt if someone has struggles with it should he? Of course!
 
If you’re speaking of sexuality, I disagree… There are tons of things that have suggestive pictures of stories in them that we either should or need to look at, like the newspaper or the news on tv or the Bible.
I first would say one does not need to look at tv or the news. Of course, one needs to read the Bible but I am not sure what pictures in the Bible promote sexual lust . What I thought we were talking about here are the magazines seen in almost every store in America. Many, if not all, promote sexual depravity. Should we, as Christians, purposfully allow our minds to take in these pictures? I say not. The devil can and will use them.
Also, if something is overwhelmingly good but has one evil thing in it or something, should one avoid it altogether? Sometimes, depending on what that evil thing is and in what context. But always? No, I’d say not.
I totally agree with this. For example, alcohol. It is good but people pervert it and make it bad. Sex, it is good but people pervert it. But I am not talking about only sex here. I am talking about opening your mind up to the way the world presents sex, which is in a very depraved way, and then purposfully reading magazines etc that promote lust. Is it neccessary to read these magazines? No. Are these magazines good? No. We would be hard pressed to find a man who would not in some way struggle with some type of lust when seeing these pictures, and again, I think even if you do not struggle with it you should not open yourself to immorality.We must daily guard ourselves against the devil and his wiles. This is one of his tricks, it is ok to think that immoral pictures are ok to look at! When, in reality, these pictures not only promote lust and sexual depravity but they de-humanize the men and women who pose for these pictures. We should always see people the way Christ sees them, and these pictures do not help us to do that.

I guess another thought I have on this is why is it neccessary to read these magazines? They are filled with gossip, strife, immorality, articles on how to please your man/woman sexually( and these are written for teenagers now as well) birth control, abortion etc etc etc. The list could go on forever!!
For example. The Devil can use alcohol for his purposes. Ought one who has no struggle with it to avoid it altogether? No, and the Church does not suggest this. BUt if someone has struggles with it should he? Of course!
As I said above I totally agree with this. But I am not sure one can compare immoral pictures…which are ALWAYS immoral, to alcohol,which is NOT immoral.
 
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If you’re speaking of sexuality, I disagree… There are tons of things that have suggestive pictures of stories in them that we either should or need to look at, like the newspaper or the news on tv or the Bible. Also, if something is overwhelingly good but has one evil thingin it or something, should one avoid it altogether? Sometimes, depending on what that evil thing is and in what context. But always? No, I’d say not.
:eek: I didn’t know that I needed to watch to watch television!!! Why didn’t anyone tell me??? I haven’t turned on the TV in years, the thing drives me nuts. I usually get my news from the radio. The newspaper ( at least in my small town) is real safe… really don’t have to worry about pictures there. Now the Bible, that’s a different story. I do need to read the Bible, and I realize that there is a lot of intrigue and hanky panky there, especially in the Old Testament. And if you have an illustrated Bible, especially if you have pictures by Michaelangelo (like Paris Blue has in her art history book), well… all I can say is don’t ever go to Europe, 'cause there’s neked statues everywhere :eek: 😉
 
:eek: I didn’t know that I needed to watch to watch television!!! Why didn’t anyone tell me??? I haven’t turned on the TV in years, the thing drives me nuts. I usually get my news from the radio. The newspaper ( at least in my small town) is real safe… really don’t have to worry about pictures there.
I agree. I hate television and I very rarely watch tv or even movies.
Now the Bible, that’s a different story. I do need to read the Bible, and I realize that there is a lot of intrigue and hanky panky there, especially in the Old Testament. And if you have an illustrated Bible, especially if you have pictures by Michaelangelo (like Paris Blue has in her art history book), well… all I can say is don’t ever go to Europe, 'cause there’s neked statues everywhere :eek: 😉
IF someone has an illustrated Bible, I have never had one like this, are the pictures the same as in a fashion magazine? Are they meant to produce lust and desire within another, even a desire to look like that other person? I think not. They are meant to be examples of God’s beautiful creation. Of course these pictures in a Bible could be used in the wrong way, as anything good can be…but one cannot compare them to the pictures in a fashion magazine.
 
😃 I was being faceitious. I am always amused by the Victorian attitued towards the body that is the norm in the United States. Can you imagine Michaelangelo’s David in YOUR town square. :eek:
Yeah, I’m ROFL at the thought of all the commotion that would cause. 😃

I am completely aware of the difference between porn and art. The former intends to produce lust, the latter intends to elevate our thoughts. The human body is beautiful, but that darned concupiscense is always getting in the way.
 
There are some stories in the Bible, like the story of Ruth for instance, that would really be problematic for some people who have sexual weaknesses and would get them going pretty good. Some people would even have trouble reading phrases from Genesis like, “and he knew her.” That’s obviously not the norm, but the point is that we can’t ignore or even get away from every thing in society that might introduce temptation or something of the sort. In fact, reading back over the previous posts, the point is that Satan can use anything on this earth to tempt us, especially the Bible. Look what he did to Jesus! That doesn’t mean we should get rid of anything Satan could use against us. In a certain way, that would be like letting him win (in the same way that the phrase went that if you give up airlines or ballgames or whatever the terrorists win).
 
There are some stories in the Bible, like the story of Ruth for instance, that would really be problematic for some people who have sexual weaknesses and would get them going pretty good. Some people would even have trouble reading phrases from Genesis like, “and he knew her.”
If anyone reads, “and he knew her” and starts having sexual fantasies or lustful thoughts…you need to go see a priest immediatly and start counseling. I am not kidding about this.
That’s obviously not the norm, but the point is that we can’t ignore or even get away from every thing in society that might introduce temptation or something of the sort.
Of course I totally agree with this. Even Saint Paul says to be “in the world yet not of it.” The question is this. Should you purposfully put pictures and thoughts into your mind that the devil can use? I am not talking about driving down the street or walking through a store and seeing a sexually immoral picture, of course that could not be helped. What I am talking about is picking up a magazine which is unncessary to read and opening your mind up to the devils world.
In fact, reading back over the previous posts, the point is that Satan can use anything on this earth to tempt us, especially the Bible. Look what he did to Jesus! That doesn’t mean we should get rid of anything Satan could use against us. In a certain way, that would be like letting him win (in the same way that the phrase went that if you give up airlines or ballgames or whatever the terrorists win).
If you think giving up immoral pictures is letting Satan win then you are 100% wrong. Beleive me I know we cannot get rid of everything around us that Satan can use. He can use our family, business etc…whatever God lets him use he can use. But what we can do is try and live Godly lives and decrease the occassion of sin around us. Don’t pick up the magazine and flip through it and see immoral pictures. Don’t watch that movie with bad language and immorality. Why do these things? They are a waste of time anyway and do not further the Kingdom of God.
 
😃 I was being faceitious. I am always amused by the Victorian attitued towards the body that is the norm in the United States. Can you imagine Michaelangelo’s David in YOUR town square. :eek:
Yeah, I’m ROFL at the thought of all the commotion that would cause. 😃
Haha. No, I can not imagine that. ROFL is right! I know you were being faceitious.
I am completely aware of the difference between porn and art. The former intends to produce lust, the latter intends to elevate our thoughts. The human body is beautiful, but that darned concupiscense is always getting in the way.
Agreed, I had a feeling you were aware of this!! 🙂 I pretty much said that for the benefit of others reading.
 
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st_ignatius110:
If anyone reads, “and he knew her” and starts having sexual fantasies or lustful thoughts…you need to go see a priest immediatly and start counseling. I am not kidding about this.
That’s true, in the same way that an alcoholic needs counseling. My point is that there are some folks who have this problem.
Of course I totally agree with this. Even Saint Paul says to be “in the world yet not of it.” The question is this. Should you purposfully put pictures and thoughts into your mind that the devil can use? I am not talking about driving down the street or walking through a store and seeing a sexually immoral picture, of course that could not be helped. What I am talking about is picking up a magazine which is unncessary to read and opening your mind up to the devils world.
If you think giving up immoral pictures is letting Satan win then you are 100% wrong. Beleive me I know we cannot get rid of everything around us that Satan can use. He can use our family, business etc…whatever God lets him use he can use. But what we can do is try and live Godly lives and decrease the occassion of sin around us. Don’t pick up the magazine and flip through it and see immoral pictures. Don’t watch that movie with bad language and immorality. Why do these things? They are a waste of time anyway and do not further the Kingdom of God.
I think we may be in agreement here. What I am talking about is that if a person, say, is a fashion designer, or gets some sort of enjoyment out of reading about fashion, he shouldn’t have to give that up simply because some folks who are into the same things are also into skimpy clothes or dirty pictures. I don’t mean we shouldnt give up immoral pictures. Obviously we should. Movies with immoral themes or whatnot are the same thing.

I am talking about giving up perfectly moral things just to avoid the possible instance of a temptation. For instance, at a book store I like to go to which happens to have a rather good selection of Bibles, the section with all the “sex for dummies” books is very near the section with the Bibles. I have to walk right past it to get there, just like the OP has to flip past bad pictures to get to the perfectly fine articles. I shouldn’t give up going and looking at the Bibles because I have to walk past those other books. That would be giving Satan the victory of taking something I should be able to morally have away from me.

My point is that if the OP has a real problem with sex, and is really drawn into those pictures, then he should find another way to reda those articles. Maybe have a friend cut them out or something. However, if he isn’t really drawn to them, and he can easily resist any temptation, he shouldn’t go giving up his articles for that.
 
I think we may be in agreement here. What I am talking about is that if a person, say, is a fashion designer, or gets some sort of enjoyment out of reading about fashion, he shouldn’t have to give that up simply because some folks who are into the same things are also into skimpy clothes or dirty pictures. I don’t mean we shouldnt give up immoral pictures. Obviously we should. Movies with immoral themes or whatnot are the same thing.
But the magazines we are talking about are really not “fashion” magazines. They are magazines with articles on sex, fashion, immorality, birth control, abortion etc. The problem is not that some people are into skimpy clothes or dirty pictures…the problem is you allowing your mind to see these things purposfully.
I am talking about giving up perfectly moral things just to avoid the possible instance of a temptation. For instance, at a book store I like to go to which happens to have a rather good selection of Bibles, the section with all the “sex for dummies” books is very near the section with the Bibles. I have to walk right past it to get there, just like the OP has to flip past bad pictures to get to the perfectly fine articles. I shouldn’t give up going and looking at the Bibles because I have to walk past those other books. That would be giving Satan the victory of taking something I should be able to morally have away from me.
Ah, but you could go to another book store where those books are not at. You possibly could walk another way around…but regardless, those books you are speaking of you would have to stop and pick up to read. If you are NOT going to do this…then walk on by. But your example is inconsistent. Why? Because sex is good, so we should be able to read “Sex for Dummies” and just weed through the immorality. I mean, after all, sex is good so I should not have to give up a book like “Sex for Dummies.”
My point is that if the OP has a real problem with sex, and is really drawn into those pictures, then he should find another way to reda those articles. Maybe have a friend cut them out or something. However, if he isn’t really drawn to them, and he can easily resist any temptation, he shouldn’t go giving up his articles for that.
IF he has a real problem, he should not be reading the articles at all. Many of the articles as well are not moral nor are they Christ like. Why shouldn’t the articles be given up? Of what benefit are they? And how does he know he will “easily resist tempation” when the devil decides to " bring it on!"

Listen, I am not saying I am 100% right or that you are. I totally realize this is an issue each person must decided for him/herself simply because this is not an issue of moral sin. But it can lead to moral sin and could very easily be venial sin. Such as a young woman opens one of these magazines, does not lust, but instead wishes she looks like one of the girls in their and commits the sin of envy or jealousy.
 
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st_ignatius110:
But the magazines we are talking about are really not “fashion” magazines. They are magazines with articles on sex, fashion, immorality, birth control, abortion etc. The problem is not that some people are into skimpy clothes or dirty pictures…the problem is you allowing your mind to see these things purposfully.
That’s true of some sorts of magazines. If you’re talking about Cosmopolitan, then you are correct. However, I work at a store that sells many magazines, and I can tell you that there are plenty of fashion magazines that aren’t all about immoral articles. They are for the very most part or often exclusively articles about fashion. There’s a major difference. I don’t think we ever specified which type we’re talking about, so we can’t really say we aren’t talking about fashion magazines. I know the sort you’re thinking about… Those aren’t fashion magazines, those are women’s magazines, or teen magazines.

I also think there is a problem with the term “allowing your mind to see these things purposefully.” If one were to be looking at these specific things purposefully, that’s one thing. However, when I watch the news, there are a lot of stories about gay marriage being good, or abortion being right, or whatnot. I am purposefully allowing myself to see those things, but my intention is not to see those specific things. My intention is to see the weather and to see what is going on in Iraq and if there is a traffic jam or something. Am I allowing myself to see the other things? Yes, but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with them or pay much attention to them. Similarly, the OP doesn’t have to agree with some article about gay marriage in a magazine, or pay any attention to the pictures. He can just ignore them, like I ignore the poor stories.
Ah, but you could go to another book store where those books are not at. You possibly could walk another way around…but regardless, those books you are speaking of you would have to stop and pick up to read. If you are NOT going to do this…then walk on by. But your example is inconsistent. Why? Because sex is good, so we should be able to read “Sex for Dummies” and just weed through the immorality. I mean, after all, sex is good so I should not have to give up a book like “Sex for Dummies.”
Maybe not, but a lot of those books have dirty pictures on the front. Furthermore, I’m not married and won’t be so anytime soon so I’ve got no reason to go anywhere near those books. Also, that is one example. There are of course a lot more books there that I’m sure we would find very problematic. Again, I am not talking about giving up anything. I am talking about the idea of not taking myself out of the world, as Paul was and as you brought up.

You mentioned that you didn’t mean we shouldn’t walk down the street for fear we’d see some dirty advertiesment. Well, why shouldn’t the OP be able to read an article about shoes just for fear he might see some dirty advertisement?
IF he has a real problem, he should not be reading the articles at all. Many of the articles as well are not moral nor are they Christ like. Why shouldn’t the articles be given up? Of what benefit are they? And how does he know he will “easily resist tempation” when the devil decides to " bring it on!"
If the articles aren’t moral or Christ like, of course he sould give them up. But if the article he wants to read is about the latest type of pants to come out, there’s no problem in that. In fact, even if the article on the page after that is about some terrible thing, he still shouldn’t give up the good article unless he has a real problem with that temptation. I read the newspaper all the time, and the fact is that there are always great articles right next to terrible ones that I could be tempted to read. It doesn’t mean I ought to not read the good ones, or even the newspaper.

Take the editorial section. Countless times I see an article against gay marriage right on the same page as one for gay marriage. Should I not buy the newspaper just because it has a few bad articles? Should I not read the good article just because I’m tempted to read the one below it?
 
I think the problem is this. You are bringing up examples that are not the same as opening your mind purposfully and seeing immoral pictures. An article on being gay is one thing, an immoral picture of a person is another. I was talking about womens and teen magazines because those were the magazines specifically mentioned in this topic. I will also say that reading a magazine like this you WILL see immoral pictures. It is not just that you fear seeing them, but that you will see them.

I guess my concern comes down to this. The devil will attack you. He will attack you using things in your life around you. If we would not want to read or see something while Christ is standing there with us then perhaps we ought not to do it.

Hey, thank you for a really good conversation. I am enjoying it!
 
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st_ignatius110:
If we would not want to read or see something while Christ is standing there with us then perhaps we ought not to do it.
I understand where you are coming from with everything you said.

I just wanted to look at this though. I used to make the arguement like that all the time, but then Jimmy Akin made the point on one of the radio broadcasts that it’s a terrible arguement to make. I forget exactly what he said, but he did show that it just… can lead to real problems if you look at things that way lol. I wish I could remember what he said exactly. But in any case, I know what you mean!
 
that would depend on the type of mag

I surely hope not as when I am at a doctor’s office or salon or… waiting I like flipping through some of these mags
 
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