Is it a sin to order a dessert on Sunday?

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Eating out at restaurants is fine if there’s no cooking at home, but would it be a sin to order dessert; causing workers to work extra?
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Please employ logic to your scruples.
You know the answer.
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I know you’re trying to be helpful, but honestly that came off as pretty rude. If you haven’t struggled with scrupulosity or OCD, don’t presume to understand what it’s like.
 
OneSmallFlower said:
I know you’re trying to be helpful, but honestly that came off as pretty rude. If you haven’t struggled with scrupulosity or OCD, don’t presume to understand what it’s like.
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This is not a forum or media for therapy. It can’t be done here. Many posters suffer from this type of illness.
Theology has in it, logic. And that is the best way to beat back these impulses or thoughts. If eating desert on Sunday is sinful then what the OP is really doing is condemning others. And I’ve found that scrupulocity problems do follow OCD paths. But sometimes they can serve as an almost braggadocious way to point out ones holiness.

Forum rules would prohibit an OCD person from having to post the same thing five times. So too should there be guidelines to this.
The best advice is for the OP to find medical help and spiritual direction.

Logic is the aspirin to the question.
Let’s try not to accuse billions of people, including priests bishops and the pope of sinning.

My parish has ice cream socials after Mass on summer sundays.
For the love of Pete an actual desert is a sundae!!! The etymology of which can be traced back to Sunday!

Furthermore, the next logical step when polling strangers on the internet about sins is what to do with the information. If there are 100 responses and 15 say it’s a sin, is it a sin? Does it have to break a barrier of votes? These are reasons why the forums are not equipped to handle this. So, the employment of logic should answer the question and the seeking of spiritual and professional help should be sought in the correct platform. The OP already posted after the first post about scruples so the OP should know it’s not a sin and has identified the source.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
This is not a forum or media for therapy. It can’t be done here. Many posters suffer from this type of illness.
Theology has in it, logic. And that is the best way to beat back these impulses or thoughts. If eating desert on Sunday is sinful then what the OP is really doing is condemning others. And I’ve found that scrupulocity problems do follow OCD paths. But sometimes they can serve as an almost braggadocious way to point out ones holiness.

Forum rules would prohibit an OCD person from having to post the same thing five times. So too should there be guidelines to this.
The best advice is for the OP to find medical help and spiritual direction.

Logic is the aspirin to the question.
Let’s try not to accuse billions of people, including priests bishops and the pope of sinning.

My parish has ice cream socials after Mass on summer sundays.
For the love of Pete an actual desert is a sundae!!! The etymology of which can be traced back to Sunday!

Furthermore, the next logical step when polling strangers on the internet about sins is what to do with the information. If there are 100 responses and 15 say it’s a sin, is it a sin? Does it have to break a barrier of votes? These are reasons why the forums are not equipped to handle this. So, the employment of logic should answer the question and the seeking of spiritual and professional help should be sought in the correct platform. The OP already posted after the first post about scruples so the OP should know it’s not a sin and has identified the source.
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“Sometimes they can serve as an almost braggadacious way of pointing out one’s holiness.” I can assure you, if the OP is asking this sort of question, he’s not trying to brag about his holiness. He’s also not accusing “the pope and the bishops” and whoever else of sinning; he’s not concerned about them. He’s concerned about his own immortal soul, and you making light of that is not helpful.

The OP has a serious spiritual condition, which I also have, which has come into contact with what he perceives, LOGICALLY, to be a real moral issue. It is not possible for the OP to distinguish at this time between what is scrupulosity and what is really a sin. That’s why he asks the help of what he presumes to be other educated, kind-hearted Christians. So instead of telling him to just “use logic” like it’s the simplest thing in the world, next time just answer the question and advise he get a spiritual director.

OP, yes, you can eat desert on Sundays. Try not to stress too much about this sort of stuff. 😉 If it’s really bothering you, ask your spiritual director about it. St. Ignatius of Loyola also had some really good stuff on scrupulosity, being that he himself was scrupulous.
 
OneSmallFlower said:
“Sometimes they can serve as an almost braggadacious way of pointing out one’s holiness.” I can assure you, if the OP is asking this sort of question, he’s not trying to brag about his holiness. He’s also not accusing “the pope and the bishops” and whoever else of sinning; he’s not concerned about them. He’s concerned about his own immortal soul, and you making light of that is not helpful.

The OP has a serious spiritual condition, which I also have, which has come into contact with what he perceives, LOGICALLY, to be a real moral issue. It is not possible for the OP to distinguish at this time between what is scrupulosity and what is really a sin. That’s why he asks the help of what he presumes to be other educated, kind-hearted Christians. So instead of telling him to just “use logic” like it’s the simplest thing in the world, next time just answer the question and advise he get a spiritual director.

OP, yes, you can eat desert on Sundays. Try not to stress too much about this sort of stuff. 😉 If it’s really bothering you, ask your spiritual director about it. St. Ignatius of Loyola also had some really good stuff on scrupulosity, being that he himself was scrupulous.
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Again, CAF is not equipped to handle treatment.
I don’t suffer from it but I’ve seen literally thousands of posts about it.
There are many regular posters on here who suffer from it and struggle. But they get a handle on the postings.
We don’t treat it here. So yes, the advice to get spiritual and mental help is good. But because others can read the forum and it’s a theological question the “logy” of theology needs to be addressed.

As you post more and more you will see why the response is as it was.
 
In defense of HD, his strategy is actually taught by some therapists as a treatment method to help one recognize thoughts that are not rational or logical. This can empower the struggling person to help himself or herself.

Use of fora like these for scruples is very dangerous - they can become a permanent crutch and prevent a poster from actually getting better.
 
Having just got back from Mass, I realize I’ve been rather uncharitable. Apologies, HD.

Agreed; online forums are no substitute for a good spiritual director. 🙂
 
Look at it this way, offer up your dessert as a small sacrifice/acknowledgement of your faith. Eating it though is not sinful.

How about we all pray for your peace of mind RS?

Our Father
Hail Mary x10
Glory Be
Fatima prayer
Amen
 
ThundersnowIV said:
You are kidding? Aren’t you?
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No, it isn’t a sin. Unless you are going to a fine or upscale restaurant, most desserts are prepare ahead of time and just need to be brought to the table. Just leave a nice tip-somewhere around 20% will show your appreciation.👍 Peace.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Please employ logic to your scruples.
You know the answer.
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Anyone who asks “Is x, y, or z a sin,” needs to take another look at their question & scrupulosity. I know I don’t understand it - it’s not my problem - but if every time you ask the answer is “no,” why not go with “it isn’t a sin” from the start?
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Please employ logic to your scruples.
You know the answer.
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OneSmallFlower said:
I know you’re trying to be helpful, but honestly that came off as pretty rude. If you haven’t struggled with scrupulosity or OCD, don’t presume to understand what it’s like.
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I’d like to chime in to what Hoosier Daddy said. Seeing that I struggle with scrupulosity, I actually think he gave pretty good advice. Did he say it in a manner that was a little blunt? Perhaps, but it was still good advice.
 
pensmama87 said:
In defense of HD, his strategy is actually taught by some therapists as a treatment method to help one recognize thoughts that are not rational or logical. This can empower the struggling person to help himself or herself.

Use of fora like these for scruples is very dangerous - they can become a permanent crutch and prevent a poster from actually getting better.
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Absolutely.
 
On the contrary, Sunday is a day of celebration, not of fasting! Rather than being sinful, I would argue that it would be perfectly appropriate to order dessert on a Sunday.
 
pensmama87 said:
In defense of HD, his strategy is actually taught by some therapists as a treatment method to help one recognize thoughts that are not rational or logical. This can empower the struggling person to help himself or herself.

Use of fora like these for scruples is very dangerous - they can become a permanent crutch and prevent a poster from actually getting better.
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Yes. I’ve often seen it said on these forums that the worst things for other posters to respond with is explaining venial and mortal sins, because it feeds into the scrupulosity.

OP, I don’t know if you’re getting help offline, but if not, I really, really recommend you do so. I see posts like this from you almost every Sunday, and although it’s good you’re recognising this as scrupulous, it’s really not good for you to do this. I know you know that as well. I just don’t think that CAF is a helpful place for you to ask these questions.

Lou
 
laylow said:
Supporting someone working on Sunday…
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You mean that person who needs the job to have food for themselves and their family and a roof over their heads? Most food service workers aren’t raking in the bucks, so they are working as a necessity to survive.
 
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