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Str84ward
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Is it a sin to say the S word?
Can you pls provide any biblical examples?
Thanks!
Can you pls provide any biblical examples?
Thanks!
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Monica4316
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Any foul language is a sin. Its impossible to imagine a Saint saying such words. In Heaven this type of language would not exist… But in hell it would. Why make yourself sound like a devil?
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Str84ward
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What if I only say it to myself? Or say it in the context of a noun and not towards or to degrade another person?
Also I listen to alot of motivational mp3s that contain that word.
I’m not saying that I should use it as part of my regular lingo, but I feel that saying it evokes a certain kind of drive and urgency, a sort of anger that can be channelled as creative energy.
Does anybody here agree with me?
As a business person, I need to push myself frequently; often repeating the slogan “I need to get sht done!", "sht happens, move forward.” or in the gym to get maximum results.
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Leifler
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vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a2.htm
All of which is not a matter of percieved “bad” words, but of specific things.
Though obviously it may be easier to sin against a person’s dignity and reputation via the kind of words that are confused as sinful, the words are not necessarily inherently so.
However, as with near occasions and such, it may be of interest to avoid them if you do not have super saint powerd to not slip into sinning agaisnt dignity etc.
All of which is not a matter of percieved “bad” words, but of specific things.
Though obviously it may be easier to sin against a person’s dignity and reputation via the kind of words that are confused as sinful, the words are not necessarily inherently so.
However, as with near occasions and such, it may be of interest to avoid them if you do not have super saint powerd to not slip into sinning agaisnt dignity etc.
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Rosebud77
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My policy re expletives which will slip out when things are hard and sudden, is to say BANANAS … I have trained myself to say only this… ah and if it is really dreadful I add CHEESE or CREAM… Just my way… it works
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Tim_D
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Wrong. It may not be the most meritorious habit in the world but being vulgar in itself is not a sin.
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Gorgias
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Str84ward
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Eminem’s song “Til I collapse” also happens to be one of my favourite motivational songs.
“Cause sometimes you just feel tired,
Feel weak, and when you feel weak, you feel like you wanna just give up.
But you gotta search within you, you gotta find that inner strength
And just pull that sh*t out of you and get that motivation to not give up
And not be a quitter, no matter how bad you wanna just fall flat on your face and collapse.”
Mind you, it is not the F word.
“Cause sometimes you just feel tired,
Feel weak, and when you feel weak, you feel like you wanna just give up.
But you gotta search within you, you gotta find that inner strength
And just pull that sh*t out of you and get that motivation to not give up
And not be a quitter, no matter how bad you wanna just fall flat on your face and collapse.”
Mind you, it is not the F word.
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LiamQ
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Do you have a source for this?
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paperwight66
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I’d be more interested to learn your source for saying that vulgarity IS a sin, to be honest.
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JackVk
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You want to avoid it whenever possible. One priest explained to me that it’s a venial sin.
On the flipside, St. Paul actually uses this: “everything I once held dear, I count it all as loss”. In the original Greek texts, “loss” literally translates to “sh*t”. Also, I once heard that when Jesus called Herod a “fox”, that was the equivalent of calling someone an S.O.B.
On the flipside, St. Paul actually uses this: “everything I once held dear, I count it all as loss”. In the original Greek texts, “loss” literally translates to “sh*t”. Also, I once heard that when Jesus called Herod a “fox”, that was the equivalent of calling someone an S.O.B.
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Tomdstone
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Yes. I agree because the Bible says to avoid foul language:
Ephesians 5:4
Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.
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Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
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Colossians 3:8
But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth.
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Tim_D
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Same here.
I’ve never understood how the ejaculation of “shoot!” is somehow more meritorious than saying “s*it!” over the same occasion.
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Monica4316
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I don’t think that makes it alright because what is in our thoughts already matters. Its not only how it affects others but also how it affects the soul. I really can’t imagine any Saint using such words and we are all called to be holy…
Is it possible to use another word to convey urgency? I mean the English language must be richer than that.
Also I wonder if anger is really a great way to get stuff done or be creative. I mean, what about doing the best you can as your duty to serve God?
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Monica4316
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Why not? Do you have any Church writing showing otherwise? (Genuine question)
At the very least its an imperfection but its more likely to be a venial sin in some cases and mortal in others. I mean - even excessive talking is an imperfection according to the Saints. Or even venial sin perhaps I don’t know. Vulgarity is much worse.
Vulgarity is a misuse of God’s gift of speech. He gave it to us for a reason, and its not this.
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Monica4316
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If this is true, the words used would probably have been not swear words. For example there are other words instead of those words that are descriptive rather than vulgar and they are euphemisms.
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Tim_D
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Do you have any Church writing that shows that it is?
And that is the problem with trying to live our lives like the saints lived theirs. Excessive talking is an imperfection? Really? Does that apply to people who post on CAF?
Is there a list somewhere that gives us the “reason” for speech? I’m curious as to all of the other things that people do that are not a reason for the use of speech.
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JimR-OCDS
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Correct, you can’t prove a negative, i.e. vulgarity in of itself is not a sin.
Bad habit, but not a sin.
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JimR-OCDS
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But here St Paul is talking about words of malice, not vulgarity which in reality, has become part of everyday language in the Western World.
Its best to try and avoid such language, but for many, it’s like telling them to stop speaking with their particular accent.
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pensmama87
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Mark Shea had an interesting blog post about this: Swearing and Vulgarity. He linked it recently on his Patheos blog with a follow-up here.
In the follow-up he has an excerpt from a really interesting letter from St. Thomas More to Martin Luther, in which St. Thomas More uses “the “s” word” more than once to make a point.
I don’t think it’s smart to use this kind of language, and I think it’s crude, but unless you’re intending to maliciously shock or horrify somebody (which admittedly is often the intent especially when young people begin employing it) I’m doubtful as to whether it’s sinful. I highly doubt it’s grave matter.
In the follow-up he has an excerpt from a really interesting letter from St. Thomas More to Martin Luther, in which St. Thomas More uses “the “s” word” more than once to make a point.
I don’t think it’s smart to use this kind of language, and I think it’s crude, but unless you’re intending to maliciously shock or horrify somebody (which admittedly is often the intent especially when young people begin employing it) I’m doubtful as to whether it’s sinful. I highly doubt it’s grave matter.
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