Is it a sin?

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My wife and I are expecting a baby and occassionaly we have engaged in manual stimulation to orgasm (to be crude, I help her to orgasm and vice versa). I figured that since there is no way of her becoming pregnant again at this moment - we weren’t doing anything wrong and that we weren’t just doing it for the sexual gratification, it’s done out of love for each other - are we doing something wrong?

I know that self masturbation is wrong, but I wasn’t sure about the other way around.

If anyone can show me if we are doing something wrong, I would appreciate it.
 
Not really, it’s a little more difficult with her being so late in term, but other than that - no.
 
**Catholic Catechism

[2352](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/2352.htm’);)** By *masturbation *is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139
 
The CCC is not very explicit on this
[2351](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/2351.htm’)😉 *Lust *is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.

2394 Christ is the model of chastity. Every baptized person is called to lead a chaste life, each according to his particular state of life.

2395 Chastity means the integration of sexuality within the person. It includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery.

2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

2397 The covenant which spouses have freely entered into entails faithful love. It imposes on them the obligation to keep their marriage indissoluble. 2398 Fecundity is a good, a gift and an end of marriage. By giving life, spouses participate in God’s fatherhood.

–Practically speaking, why don’t you get creative with the logistics of normal union (so that the act is more unitive) , and offer up any sacrifice you make as a prayer for the future chastity of your unborn child?

Can’t be much longer now anyway…

Good luck! God Bless!
 
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Catholic Catechism

2352 By *masturbation *is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139
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But this would not be outside marriage, and would not be self-masturbation.

Do you think it still applies?
 
That’s what I don’t know. It states that anything done outside of marriage - well we are married…

I could make the argument for the fact that we cannot get pregnant at this moment so that even the act of sexual intercourse could be a form of masturbation because the outcome cannot be life.
 
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billweh:
My wife and I are expecting a baby and occassionaly we have engaged in manual stimulation to orgasm (to be crude, I help her to orgasm and vice versa). I figured that since there is no way of her becoming pregnant again at this moment - we weren’t doing anything wrong and that we weren’t just doing it for the sexual gratification, it’s done out of love for each other - are we doing something wrong?

I know that self masturbation is wrong, but I wasn’t sure about the other way around.

If anyone can show me if we are doing something wrong, I would appreciate it.
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From what I understand (I’ve seen quotes from either Humane Vitae or somewhere, I’ll try to find it) all emissions of semen MUST be inside the vagina.

SV
 
Since its so near her time, why don’t you just give her a break and try a back-rub instead? I bet she’d appreciate it more.
 
One of the great things about semen is that the prostaglandins in the semen can ripen the cervix and make labor easier! Much more fun way to induce labor than pitocin!
 
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iguana27:
One of the great things about semen is that the prostaglandins in the semen can ripen the cervix and make labor easier! Much more fun way to induce labor than pitocin!
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Further proof that the whole process – soup to nuts, so to speak – is divinely planned!
 
Any moral theology book will affirm that a man’s semen must only be released into his wife’s vagina, and intentionally releasing semen elsewhere is wrong.

Along the same lines, directly stimulating actions must be followed by a completed act of intercourse.

On the other hand, if a husband has already climaxed, the wife may be stimulated (either by herself or by her husband) so that she also climaxes, provided this is done very soon after the husband climaxed.

I’d recommend Christopher West’s “Good News about Sex & Marriage”. I think Catholic Answers sells it; otherwise, you should be able to get it at any Catholic bookstore or at Amazon.com. Chapter 5 covers some of these issues.

Jone’s “Moral Theology” is also good. I think it is published by TAN, but you can get it from Amazon.com too.

Jason
 
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