Is it always wrong to believe something upon insufficient evidence?

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William K. Clifford said:

It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.

infidels.org/library/historical/w_k_clifford/ethics_of_belief.html

True or false?

Please discuss.
There are many things that we all believe with little evidence, for instance:
  1. That the universe was not created 5 minutes ago in a spontaneous fluctuation and that we exist with built in memory traces and food in our stomachs from the breakfasts we never ate.
  2. That there are minds other than my own.
  • Our present observations support that the universe was created 5 minutes ago in a spontaneous fluctuation with the appearance of age just as well as they support the claim that it is 13 billion years old. Actually, if I follow Roger Penrose right, it may be more probable that the universe was formed by spontaneous fluctuation. Yet none of us believe this.
  • Our observations are supported just as well by the claim that there are no minds other than my own and that the external world is an illusion as they are by the claim that the external world exists.
By way of another example:
3. Consider that I am arrested for a crime. All the evidence is against me and I am certain to be convicted. Yet, I know that I did not commit the crime. Yet, obviously, I am not obligated to give up believe in my own innocence because the evidence says that I am guilty.

So, no it is not always wrong to believe things on limited or “insufficient” evidence.
 
Belief is often a justified practical decision amid uncertainty. The dispute is usually over what degree of uncertainty does or doesn’t permit faith/belief, since pure certainty is indeed rare.

This is relevant, though it’s a bit of a reductivist take. I think Charles Sanders Peirce had an intriguing Pragmatic take:

A few further comments are perhaps in order in connection with Peirce’s idea of the economy (or: the economics) of research. Concern for the economy of research is a crucial and ineliminable part of Peirce’s idea of the scientific method. He understood that science is essentially a human and social enterprise and that it always operates in some given historical, social, and economic context. In such a context some problems are crucial and paramount and must be attended-to immediately, while other problems are trivial or frivolous or at least can be put off until later. He understood that in the real context of science some experiments may be vitally important while others may be insignificant. Peirce also understood that the economic resources of the scientist (time, money, ability to exert effort, etc.) are always scarce, even though all the while the “great ocean of truth,” which lies undiscovered before us, is infinite. All resources for carrying out research, such as personnel, person-hours, and apparatus, are quite costly; accordingly, it is wasteful, indeed irrational, to squander them. Peirce proposed, therefore, that careful consideration be paid to the problem of how to obtain the biggest epistemological “bang for the buck.” In effect, the economics of research is a cost/benefit analysis in connection with states of knowledge. Although this idea has been insufficiently explored by Peirce scholars, Peirce himself regarded it as central to the scientific method and to the idea of rational behavior. It is connected with what he called “speculative rhetoric” or “methodeutic” (which will be discussed below).

Virtue Epistemology deals with a lot of these questions as well.
 
I’ll propose a tentative definition of belief also:

Belief is a rational agent’s intellectual state of proposition-acceptance which results from his will’s decision to push its intellect into assenting to some imperfectly-known proposition, the future fruits of which are expected to outweigh the risked error.

I also am inclined to think that the will’s decision is ultimately based on its desire to perfect the intellect, as reflective knowledge is the perfection of the intellectual faculty.

I’ll go ahead and copy/paste some of what I wrote in a thread on Pascal’s Wager a while ago. I’d be interested in anyone’s criticism, as I haven’t fully developed my ideas and mostly am toying with how this might fit into a Thomistic metaphysical scheme.

Q: Is A’s “doxastic incorporation” of p ultimately, or primarily, an act of the intellect or the will?
A: If the former, then the incorporation is in a sense “compelled” by a somewhat undeniable recognition of truth. If the latter, then it’s perhaps probably a selfish practical decision, arguably a “debasement” (of mind, of truth). The intellect is that which is naturally oriented to the true; the will is that which tends by naturally to the good.

The true: a thing’s internal, causally inert existence within an intellect. (The intellect passively receives an external object, whereby it takes on an intentional mode, truth, or being-as-seen/known.)
The good: the outward, or external, manifestation/realization of an intellect’s internal intention. (The will activates the passive intellect’s content.)

Q: What is the nature and purpose, or good, of A’s internal, intellectual representation of external reality?
A: A is acquainted with something intelligible and his intellect reflects its form into its own “ideal space”. This reflection is at the command of the will, which makes the decisions of which presented objects it desires to focus, or “shine the light of the intellect” on. The act of reflection amounts to abstraction; the form of the known object is abstracted from the thing itself and given its own sort of “conceptual matter”. (This may be brain matter, if you like. The abstraction of form, then, could be tantamount to the mind’s imposed organization of a neural network. In basically all cases, the brain’s reaction is influenced both by sensation of the thing and “itself”; but autonomy enters more w/judgment than w/conceptualization.)

. . . The mind’s map of the external world necessarily and by nature presupposes the existence of an external world. Whenever one makes any assertion or entertains a proposition, the underlying “assumption” is that it is about something pre-existent or pre-established, something out of its control at the time, already settled. In that sense, “external” might be closely identified by being outside of the will’s range of causal command. The external world is what the intellect receives as pre-existing, not what only exists due to its current action (like, say, an imagined witch – though technically that very imagined being would be “external” once it is presented to the intellect as a memory (which presumably is stored “in” the physical brain), since the new presentation would exist independently of the new intellectual action.
  1. Thing is presented to intellect;
  2. Intellect reflects thing internally;
  3. Will decides what to do with intellect’s intention;
    4.(a) If good, the will manifests the intention externally via the body (belief; such as by informing the brain’s memory bank w/it and storing it for quick recall);
    4.(b) If not good, the will may very well let it be forgotten.
. . . The perfection of the intellect is knowledge, and knowledge requires truth, conformity between internal intention and external object. Whenever the intellect has an unrealized good intention (lacks truth and knowledge), the will acts to make the external form of it, to realize it, thus bringing about truth and knowledge. In short, the will primarily seeks the good of the intellect, while the intellect seeks the truth of the world.
 
William K. Clifford said:

It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.

infidels.org/library/historical/w_k_clifford/ethics_of_belief.html

True or false?

Please discuss.
False. Most of today’s culture is based on belief and not on sufficient evidence. Taking someone’s word for it is not sufficient evidence, it is a form of belief. As a scientist I took and I still take the information from others scientist as good but that does not mean that from a philosophical point of view it is reasonable evidence to accept their data.
 
You can reject a proposition without knowing for certain that it’s false. I don’t see anything wrong with that. It seems that if you couldn’t do that, you’d be stuck believing every proposition you came across, regardless of how bad the evidence was.
Believe it or not, it is easy to retain information without believing it.

Anyone following your path is certain to end up dogmatic and ignorant. Your principle, which might be called the Ignorance Preservation Principle, insures that nothing will get past your programmed filters.

It insures that you will forever remain an atheist, and that dogmatic religionists will remain as they are. That is the natural tendency of mentally slothful people, Why dignify it with a justification?

The intelligent man, when faced with information and ideas which are contrary to his current beliefs, holds the new information in suspension. He recalls the information itself but makes no judgment upon its value… This costs nothing.

If, in time, additional supporting information comes in and is put into a similar form of memory without judgment, enough correlations between similar bits of information might cause the mind to rethink its previous programming.

Only those people who are determined to become more intelligent, and more knowledgeable, are willing to treat information in this manner.
 
Believe it or not, it is easy to retain information without believing it.

Anyone following your path is certain to end up dogmatic and ignorant. Your principle, which might be called the Ignorance Preservation Principle, insures that nothing will get past your programmed filters.

It insures that you will forever remain an atheist, and that dogmatic religionists will remain as they are. That is the natural tendency of mentally slothful people, Why dignify it with a justification?

The intelligent man, when faced with information and ideas which are contrary to his current beliefs, holds the new information in suspension. He recalls the information itself but makes no judgment upon its value… This costs nothing.

If, in time, additional supporting information comes in and is put into a similar form of memory without judgment, enough correlations between similar bits of information might cause the mind to rethink its previous programming.

Only those people who are determined to become more intelligent, and more knowledgeable, are willing to treat information in this manner.
I don’t think you really understood the point I was making.
 
I don’t think you really understood the point I was making.
Your original statement—
You can reject a proposition without knowing for certain that it’s false. I don’t see anything wrong with that. It seems that if you couldn’t do that, you’d be stuck believing every proposition you came across, regardless of how bad the evidence was.
I read it twice before replying, and just read it again. It is not especially complex. It is rather an ordinary and common opinion. I understood it perfectly.

So what do you want to do? You could rewrite it, and my guess is that before you do, you will first put on your Obama hat and change the meaning. Why bother?

Or, you could justify your statement without trying to pretend that you wrote something else. This might or might not lead to an interesting discussion.

You could also just sit on your hands and whine, claiming that you were misunderstood. This simpleminded strategy will make you forever right.

Or, heaven forbid, you could admit that what you wrote reflects what you meant, and maybe rethink it. The mark of a good mind is the ability to admit its many mistakes.
 
Your original statement—

I read it twice before replying, and just read it again. It is not especially complex. It is rather an ordinary and common opinion. I understood it perfectly.

So what do you want to do? You could rewrite it, and my guess is that before you do, you will first put on your Obama hat and change the meaning. Why bother?

Or, you could justify your statement without trying to pretend that you wrote something else. This might or might not lead to an interesting discussion.

You could also just sit on your hands and whine, claiming that you were misunderstood. This simpleminded strategy will make you forever right.

Or, heaven forbid, you could admit that what you wrote reflects what you meant, and maybe rethink it. The mark of a good mind is the ability to admit its many mistakes.
Nope. You had your chance to understand it right the first time. You failed. You then had the chance to show some class in the face of misunderstanding what I wrote, and you failed at that too.

Take a walk.
 
Do you mean insufficient evidence according to you, or insufficient according to me, or insufficient according to what a cab driver tells you, or insufficient according to a majority of Red Sox fans, or … :confused:
Hmmm…sounds like evidential relativism to me…😉

My first thought upon reading the title for this thread was St Augustine’s famous saying, “Seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand.” It is often said that philosophy is the handmaid of theology, yet, for myself, I never had any inclination or desire to ponder the intricacies of philosophy until I found myself believing, and that event had nothing to do with rational thought, but with an experience, an encounter, with something I had absolutely no rational explanation for.
 
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