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What was our obligation at Normandy beach?
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From Quora Saturday … most realistic war movie:
2). Saving Private Ryan: This film is distinctive because it’s the first war film to depict the brutality of frontline combat in a very real and honest portrayal. War films had been a tried and true genre prior to Saving Private Ryan but they had always seemed to maintain the cinematic ideal that a war film should be portrayed in a ‘good versus evil’ lens where ultimately good always wins. Saving Private Ryan showed that combat is not as glamorous as Hollywood films have a tendency to portray. The opening sequence at Omaha Beach shows US Army Rangers landing at Dog One Sector getting literally shot to bits within seconds of landing. It may seem like overkill but when you consider that prior to Saving Private Ryan, the most brutal war film was (probably) Full Metal Jacket, wherein the peak of onscreen violence entails Marines bleeding to death or committing suicide in bathrooms at Parris Island, Saving Private Ryan is kind of the type of film we’ve needed.
Because of the violence and my own experience I have not seen “Saving Private Ryan”.
2). Saving Private Ryan: This film is distinctive because it’s the first war film to depict the brutality of frontline combat in a very real and honest portrayal. War films had been a tried and true genre prior to Saving Private Ryan but they had always seemed to maintain the cinematic ideal that a war film should be portrayed in a ‘good versus evil’ lens where ultimately good always wins. Saving Private Ryan showed that combat is not as glamorous as Hollywood films have a tendency to portray. The opening sequence at Omaha Beach shows US Army Rangers landing at Dog One Sector getting literally shot to bits within seconds of landing. It may seem like overkill but when you consider that prior to Saving Private Ryan, the most brutal war film was (probably) Full Metal Jacket, wherein the peak of onscreen violence entails Marines bleeding to death or committing suicide in bathrooms at Parris Island, Saving Private Ryan is kind of the type of film we’ve needed.
Because of the violence and my own experience I have not seen “Saving Private Ryan”.
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America is going to fall and the Vatican will take its place 
On a more serious note, when america does fall somebody will take its place or countries will ban together to defend each other.
On a more serious note, when america does fall somebody will take its place or countries will ban together to defend each other.
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True - but not in the US. Not until Private Ryan.
The world will turn into several NATO-type organizations for sure.
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They veered into melodrama. I agree. I think censorship here had a lot to do with that.
My dad was in Korea and Vietnam and was more about movies like “Platoon”, which veered more toward realism - though not to the point of Ryan.
My dad was in Korea and Vietnam and was more about movies like “Platoon”, which veered more toward realism - though not to the point of Ryan.
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We should not be the worlds policeman because we are not who we used to be. For example, I don’t believe for a second that our recent intervention in Syria was about Assad using chemical weapons, not for an instant. We have a government run by kleptocrats, have a society that can’t agree on what a family or morality is because of propaganda by people very connected to those fore mentioned kleptocrats, we have a self possessed culture and on and on. Before we decide if we should be the worlds policeman we aught to examine if we are still fit for that position, I really don’t think that we are. We villianize Russia, an increasingly Christian nation with little disagreement on what a family or morality is and Syria faced with an internal conflict which doesn’t concern us in the least. Before anyone criticizes what I have to say let me just say that I think that the United States Constitution is the greatest manmade means of governing a society. After the Constitution was signed someone asked Benjamin Franklin, “what have you wrought?” To which he responded, “A Republic, if you can keep it.” In my opinion, somewhere along the past fifty years we lost it and haven’t kept it for which, in my opinion, policitical correctness and multiculturalism are the most responsible for its demise. Jesus Christ isn’t from Nebraska and I sincerely think that Americans have to start realizing that. I am being facetious, but at the same time serious. We have no business telling anyone else anything about how to live. Mic dropped, fade to black!
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I’m sorry but that’s not our job. We have a responsibility to our own citizens only. Lending support is one thing but intervening for the interests of gangster banksters is something else entirely.
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Then we should withdraw from NATO and the UN?
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Didn’t say that, I only said that it’s not our job to tell other people how to live. Especially considering that we are becoming increasingly sick morally and spiritually. All that we will do is create more hatred and discontent in the world against us. Many people in the world no longer trust America anymore, especially after our quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan. If we are going to police the world then fine, let’s just not pretend and say it’s for the best interests of the people we’re invading. I think that’s a fair way to put it.
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Afghanistan was fair, and we exercised great restraint with that. Iraq was more than questionable, I’ll give you that.
You do realize that in many cases we have been asked to provide defense, as with Saudi Arabia.
You do realize that in many cases we have been asked to provide defense, as with Saudi Arabia.
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The question is who did the asking and why? We’re so concerned about “human rights” and yet women couldn’t even drive in Saudi Arabia until very recently, but we saw no reason to criticize them or withhold help from them with regards to that. We never even considered telling the Saudis how to live or what they should do as a society. Meanwhile, Christian nations in Africa were threatened with having aid withdrawn because of their overtly Christian views on homosexuality. I suppose those “human rights” are more convenient in some cases and not in others.
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Saudi Arabia requested the protection of the US when Saddam invaded Kuwait.
When Saddam was overthrown, the Saudis asked us to leave. There has not been a combatant presence in the Kingdom since.
The USMTM is still there and is financed by Saudi Arabia. It is the US Military Training Mission to Saudi Arabia, and assists in the training of their Air Forces. It has been there since the 1950s, but it is a noncombatant role.
When Saddam was overthrown, the Saudis asked us to leave. There has not been a combatant presence in the Kingdom since.
The USMTM is still there and is financed by Saudi Arabia. It is the US Military Training Mission to Saudi Arabia, and assists in the training of their Air Forces. It has been there since the 1950s, but it is a noncombatant role.
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While we’re at it. Do you support the idea of an absolute monarchy? After all that is how the Saudi government functions. Shouldn’t we overthrow their regime and impose a “democracy” upon them?
Again, facetious but serious. I also mean no disrespect and I am sorry if I am coming across that way.
Again, facetious but serious. I also mean no disrespect and I am sorry if I am coming across that way.
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What does their monarchy have to do with us being there? That’s not our place nor our domain.
I don’t think you’re disrespectful or even rude.
You’re fine.
I don’t think you’re disrespectful or even rude.
You’re fine.
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I was very little when that happened but I remember it. However, we didn’t use that as an opportunity to tell the Saudi’s how to live like we do with other countries. I was wondering what you thought about that.
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Why do we do that with other countries then?
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Because we’re more advanced than that in the art of diplomacy. The mission was not a new order. It was protection of an ally.
I was in high school when Desert Shield began. I have military orders that state I was a part of Desert Storm - which didn’t actually end until the deposition of Hussein. It was like Korea - a cease fire but not a treaty.
Don’t get me wrong - we screw up, and I know we do. I’m not going to defend us to the death because I know better LOL.
I was in high school when Desert Shield began. I have military orders that state I was a part of Desert Storm - which didn’t actually end until the deposition of Hussein. It was like Korea - a cease fire but not a treaty.
Don’t get me wrong - we screw up, and I know we do. I’m not going to defend us to the death because I know better LOL.
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Where? Iraq? Because that was the mission. Get rid of Saddam. Vietnam? Get rid of communism. Korea? Request for help and get rid of communism. (The French didn’t do so hot in Vietnam either, but of course the US catches all the press because we’re big and because we’re the US. No, we didn’t do the job we should’ve done, and I won’t defend that we did.)
You do know that even the uber liberal NYT and CNN said it’s time for us to do real business in Syria in the name of human rights. I found that interesting.
Afghanistan was defense as they were harboring the one responsible for an attack of war - and NATO agreed, and supported action in Afghanistan. Yes, there is now unrest in its wake, and that was inevitable. It’s a consequence of combat. There was no way we were going to sit back, though, and just take 9/11 on the chin. No one would, nor should they.
I had just separated as an enlisted member and was actually living in Saudi Arabia when 9/11 happened. I received registered mail from the US Air Force reminding me I was still subject to recall, though that didn’t occur.
You do know that even the uber liberal NYT and CNN said it’s time for us to do real business in Syria in the name of human rights. I found that interesting.
Afghanistan was defense as they were harboring the one responsible for an attack of war - and NATO agreed, and supported action in Afghanistan. Yes, there is now unrest in its wake, and that was inevitable. It’s a consequence of combat. There was no way we were going to sit back, though, and just take 9/11 on the chin. No one would, nor should they.
I had just separated as an enlisted member and was actually living in Saudi Arabia when 9/11 happened. I received registered mail from the US Air Force reminding me I was still subject to recall, though that didn’t occur.
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And I am not demonizing America because I love America, I just wonder if we are still fit to call the shots anymore. We have declined in every area, including morally, spiritually, societally and in every way except militarily. We have become increasingly corrupt on every level of society. I am only criticizing our nation with the same means with which I criticize myself, I don’t hate myself either but I feel that a huge part of the Christian life involves self criticism, even if it hurts. Most people, lamentably, do not do that so I am sorry to anyone reading this and thinking,”he’s a snowflake that hates America.” Nothing can be further from the truth. I’ll put it to you this way. If most, or a small majority, of Americans don’t trust the media or the government then why should anyone else?
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I don’t think you’re a snowflake in the least. And that’s the truth.
I’m a military officer now, and I sometimes question exactly what we think we’re doing, even though I might have a better strategic understanding than a lot of folks do. I still see the human fallout. I’m still who I am, you know?
We’ve actually declined in a way militarily. There’s a reason our budget is so big - our infrastructure is showing its age, and that’s something a lot of people don’t understand. To remain at the top of the heap, we need new materiel (new equipment) - our fighters are aging, even the relatively young C17 is showing her age. Warfare and how we do it is changing again as we return to a more urban setting. I’m not singing our praises, just saying what we see on the inside. And the concerns are real.
NATO depends on us, and as much as it pains them, so does the UN. If we fail in that regard, we potentially hurt a lot of people who depend on us who don’t have the means of defense themselves on as large a scale as we do.
We now man NATO bases in Hungary and in Poland. We are there because of Russia, and we are there at the request of NATO. Russia may identify as an ally, but there’s more to it than that.
And that’s the truth.I’m a military officer now, and I sometimes question exactly what we think we’re doing, even though I might have a better strategic understanding than a lot of folks do. I still see the human fallout. I’m still who I am, you know?
I won’t disagree with that but I don’t entirely agree with it. I don’t see the current state as the fall of Rome, if you will. Sometimes I worry about it, but I also remember that over the course of my life that sort of stuff has been said many times.
We’ve actually declined in a way militarily. There’s a reason our budget is so big - our infrastructure is showing its age, and that’s something a lot of people don’t understand. To remain at the top of the heap, we need new materiel (new equipment) - our fighters are aging, even the relatively young C17 is showing her age. Warfare and how we do it is changing again as we return to a more urban setting. I’m not singing our praises, just saying what we see on the inside. And the concerns are real.
NATO depends on us, and as much as it pains them, so does the UN. If we fail in that regard, we potentially hurt a lot of people who depend on us who don’t have the means of defense themselves on as large a scale as we do.
We now man NATO bases in Hungary and in Poland. We are there because of Russia, and we are there at the request of NATO. Russia may identify as an ally, but there’s more to it than that.
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