Is it America's job to "run the world"?

[jeannetherese]

And your Criteria?

 

[JamalChristophr]

Of course it’s America’s job. I’m surprised you would even ask such a question. We don’t always do the best of jobs, sure, but who else is gonna do it if we don’t? China??

 

[starshiptrooper]

Advocating for communism should a crime the similar to how incitement to commit crimes is a crime.

 

[jeannetherese]

I think you criteria could get a bit nebulous. Depending upon who is enforcing from day to day, I can imagine one being deported for reading aloud about disciples sharing in common, and the Bible might be banned, right along with the Manifesto, or bookstores selling either might be closed with owners sent off.
Thank you for sharing your ideas. I fear we may have derailed the thread a bit.
Blessings wished to you and to all who visit this thread on the feast day of Saint Patrick.

 

[IWantGod]

I believe that exile should be used as I stated earlier in the the thread.

Policing peoples thoughts and deporting people for having communist ideas sounds fascist to me. Just admit that you want a totalitarian Society in your image and stop pretending that this is about justice.

It certainly conflicts with democratic ideals but I do not regard them as sacrosanct or valid.

You seem to be living in a dream world if you think we can lord our beliefs over everybody else and punish them if they don’t agree with those beliefs. I don’t think that’s what Jesus wanted. Why not force everybody to be Christian and lock people up who don’t make it to church on Sunday while your at it. Or perhaps deport all the Muslims? Is that more your thing? Or maybe we should criminalize everyone that’s worn a condom.

Judaism got the state to enforce their beliefs, and they killed Jesus!!!

I would rather live in a democracy where everybody’s beliefs are protected so long as their activity is in accordance with the human rights everyone.

 

[pnewton]

Because I don’t care about the rights of “people” that wish to take mine away.To explain further you are under the assumption that supporting Communism is a innocent act when it most certainly isn’t, merely being a communist is an aggression itself.

It is not that I do not understand, rather that, as a Christian, I do not agree. Also, as an American, I could not disagree more. I have always thought that we had no business exporting democracy until we import some first. Your post is a prime example of how far we still have to go.

What good is it having the right to worship as Christians if we abandon the teaching of Christ in the process?

 

[philipl]

No country has the intelligence to run the world. The world would be better off if those who believed they did stop believing it.

 

[pnewton]

Advocating for communism should a crime the similar to how incitement to commit crimes is a crime.

All it takes is repealing the First Amendment.

 

[pnewton]

Just admit that you want a totalitarian Society in your image and stop pretending that this is about justice.

It is sobering to think how many Americans would have made good fascists, and how many might well fall into goose-step with a man who promises to rid the country of “undesirables,” as defined by them, of course.

 

[starshiptrooper]

Policing peoples thoughts and deporting people for having communist ideas sounds fascist to me. Just admit that you want a totalitarian Society in your image and stop pretending that this is about justice.

Anyone can have all the communist ideas that they want. Trying to lead others astray with them is evil and should be dealt with.

You seem to be living in a dream world if you think we can lord our beliefs over everybody else and punish them if they don’t agree with those beliefs.

That is pretty much the principle behind which every society is organized. Order comes from the threat of violence which is both the universal currency and language.

I would rather live in a democracy where every-bodies beliefs are protected so long as their activity is in accordance with the human rights everyone.

Everyone’s beliefs are protected, unless you happen to be Christian baker who wants to run his business accordingly or a group of conservatives at UC Berkeley. Universalist rhetoric like this sounds great on paper but inevitably means that Marxism cultural or otherwise will infiltrate and subvert your ideal society. Any organization that is not explicitly right-wing will become left-wing.

 

[Athanasiy]

Referring to the Russian soldier, there is more idea “to fight for the Fatherland”.
That is, he does not care what to fight for - for communism, for Putinism, for territorial expansionism in the territory of other States.
At all times , for the Russian soldier the main thing is not to ask questions, "I love my homeland, I don’t want to go on vacation, I shoot well, the food is good, (says the soldier) so every thing is all right.
The main thing is not to ask questions (and not to think by the brains.)

But I have huge sympathy for the second type of soldiers, paratrooper, airborne encourages his fellow friends to boycott the elections of Putin(elections without choice)
-He says Putin is destroying Russian soldiers by bloody wars in Ukraine, the Caucasus, Syria.
-Putin is destroying the Slavic and Caucasian peoples, he has created poverty and the impoverishment of the people.
-The degradation of the population from poverty and hopelessness, and cemeteries with graves of young men, the genocide against his own people
This warrior with beliefs/convictions, and to him a huge sympathy.

 

[starshiptrooper]

Not at all if anti-gunners’ actions concerning the 2nd Amendment set any sort of a precedent.

 

[pnewton]

That is not how precedent in law works.

 

[starshiptrooper]

I never specified a legal precedent.

 

[pnewton]

Universalist rhetoric like this sounds great on paper…

I does sound good on paper, but then James Madison had a way with words. Likewise, the majority of the country agreed with his ideas written on paper, that stand as a testament to every extremist that want to define speech as evil and needing to be silenced by the force of law. Yet such people never recognize the evil in their own speech. Yet here on this thread, all one need do is scroll above and find the same rhetoric that has inflamed the fire of war and death in the past, presented by supposed patriotic Americans, as they stand for everything our Greatest Generation fought to defeat.

 

[TheNoseKnows]

It is not that I do not understand, rather that, as a Christian, I do not agree. Also, as an American, I could not disagree more.

As long as we live in a nation with a strong government, that holds great power over us, I will fight tooth and nail to keep the sate from becoming a Communist one. If you are willing to live as an oppressed slave under such a totalitarian regime due to your love of Democracy then we will just have to agree to disagree.

Yet thats where far left nations seem to always head towards.

You seem to be living in a dream world if you think we can lord our beliefs over everybody else and punish them if they don’t agree with those beliefs.

Right now in our so called “free” America, if I stop paying taxes a jack booted PIG will kick down my door and force me at gun point to give up some of my property as restitution, the same thing is true if I did’t pay for Obama care, my wages could be garnished or I could be sent to jail. There are many laws in America that are unjust, yet I am compiled to follow them at the implied threat of violence against me, don’t pretend that a social Democracy is a peaceful way of governing, its just as violent as the kind of measures that I or starshiptrooper would advocate for.

If you really wanted a nation that doesn’t unjustly impose itself upon its citizens a Libertarian one would be the way to go, yet in this America, with its huge powerful state I will resort to helicopters…so that the state doesn’t fall into the hands of commies.

 

[philipl]

Just a short twenty plus years ago Bill Clinton was making the same promises. Was he a fascist?

 

[pnewton]

If you are willing to live as an oppressed slave under such a totalitarian regime due to your love of Democracy then we will just have to agree to disagree.

Does it matter if one’s oppressors are communists or fascists? It does not to me, and I see the latter as a greater danger, especially in light of America today. This thread alone stands as testimony as to the evil people are willing to accept in the name of ideology, in this case, anti-Communism.

FYI - You are not the first to call police “PIGS.” They have been called that before. It stands as more evidence that your extremist right ideology is not all that different than the extremist left.

 

[pnewton]

I am responding to this thread. If you are going to engage in “what-about-ism,” you will need to be specific and not some general boogeyman statement.

 

[deMontfort]

It does not to me, and I see the latter as a greater danger, especially in light of America today.

Funny, I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone outside of fringe neo-Nazis advocating Fascism in America…but I have heard plenty of people advocating various strains of Marxism.