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ConstantineTG
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Just wondering how many of you guys are on the Julian Calendar and won’t be celebrating Christmas until the 6th
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daeve
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Nope, not me. I’ll be singing at Mass tomorrow night, probably up all night wrapping stuff, and trying to get my house clean enough for company. I usually take a couple days off this week, but I don’t have anymore paid time off, so I’m stuck here.
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ciero
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5Loaves
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No one celebrates the Nativity on the 6th. The Nativity is on December 25th on both the Julian and the Gregorian calendars.
I bought eggs and milk today and made panettone.
And made my last, for a while, vegan cake for tomorrow night’s agape.
We just got home from Royal Hours:
The time for the birth was at hand. Since there was no room at the inn, the cave became a perfect palace for the Queen!
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ConstantineTG
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The Christmas message from His Beatitude Lubomyr to the faithful of the UGCC has this note:No one celebrates the Nativity on the 6th. The Nativity is on December 25th on both the Julian and the Gregorian calendars.
I bought eggs and milk today and made panettone.
And made my last, for a while, vegan cake for tomorrow night’s agape.
We just got home from Royal Hours:
The time for the birth was at hand. Since there was no room at the inn, the cave became a perfect palace for the Queen!
Why would he mention it if no one celebrates Nativity on the 6th of January?
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rowlands
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It’s actually quite simple. In the Julian calendar we celebrate the Nativity of Christ on 25th December - it just so happens we don’t arrive at that date until those using the Gregorian calendar have reached the 7th of January.
I believe the Armenians celebrate the Nativity - or rather the full mystery of the Incarnation and early life of Christ - on the 6th January, but they arrive at that day and date when those using the Gregorian calendar have reached 19th January.
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ConstantineTG
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I understand that. I’m speaking from the perspective that the Gregorian is the universal calendar today. So when I say 6th it obviously meant Dec 25 on the Julian. Point is, we don’t all celebrate on the 25th. I have a co-worker before who is Russian and is Orthodox (can’t conclusively say he’s Russian Orthodox but lets put 2 and 2 together for argument’s sake) and he did mention to another co-worker who greeted him Merry Christmas that they don’t celebrate until the 6th.
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Dakota_Roberts
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I think it’s a relatively safe assumption, but who knows, he could be Greek Orthodox
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malphono
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Yes, it’s just that simple. If I’m not mistaken, currently the difference between the (unreformed) Julian (aka “OS” or "old style’) and Gregorian calendars (aka “NS” or “new style”) is 13 days, which puts 25 December (OS) on 6 January (NS). I suppose some would say this is complicated, but while it may look complicated, it really isn’t.
I think the occurrence of the date depends. AFIK, most Armenians (both OC and CC) use the Gregorian calendar, so it’s 6 January (NS). Now, those who hold to the (unreformed) Julian (which I think the Armenians in Jerusalem do) will celebrate 6 January (OS) on 19 January (NS).
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ConstantineTG
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He could be Ukrainian Orthodox or something else, don’t know if his wife is also Russian, thats the thing.
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ConstantineTG
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I was checking Nativity videos on the St. Elias YouTube channel. According to the notes on the video, they celebrate the Nativity on January 6.
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Aramis
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The UGCC allows eparchies, and some eparchs allow parishes, to pick whether they are new or old calendar. In the US and Canada, you’ll see some parishes on each.
The Ruthenian Metropolia of Pitsburgh seems to be entirely new calendar, tho’ I’m not positive all the parishes are (especially those using other editions of the DL… there are a few parishes specifically for other byzantine rite churches’ faithful).
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rowlands
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The difference between OS and NS is currently 13 days; in 2100 it will become 14 days, due to the difference in determining leap years.Yes, it’s just that simple. If I’m not mistaken, currently the difference between the (unreformed) Julian (aka “OS” or "old style’) and Gregorian calendars (aka “NS” or “new style”) is 13 days, which puts 25 December (OS) on 6 January (NS). I suppose some would say this is complicated, but while it may look complicated, it really isn’t.
Currently 25th December OS falls on 7th January (in the next year) of the NS/Gregorian calendar:
25 + 13 = 38
38 - 31 (days of December) = 7
This can be verified by consulting any Julian Style Church calendar or the service schedule of any Orthodox or Eastern Catholic church adhering to the Julian calendar.
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rowlands
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Another small conundrum! The day starts at sunset so, while the secular clock may say that the evening is 6th January (24th December!) it is, liturgically, altready 25th December.
Except when the Nativity falls on a Sunday or Monday, the ‘eve’ of the Nativity (24th December) is a strict fast with the celebration of the Royal Hours and typika followed by vespers, to which is combined a ‘delayed’ liturgy. The vigil service (great compline, litiya, matins and first hour) which begins the celebration of the Nativity is held in the evening of ‘6th January’ (NS) (and may last through the night until the early hours of the morning) but really belongs to the following day, 25th December (OS)
I must confess that it has never bothered me that so many people celebrate the Nativity on 12th December
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5Loaves
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S’prazdnikom!
We just got home from DL and Holy Supper and am going to bed with visions of french toast in my head although the mushroom soup and pierogi, and a dozen other things tonight were quite wonderful! I was definitely hungry by the time we sat down.
May all for whom tomorrow is the Nativity have a very blest feast!
We just got home from DL and Holy Supper and am going to bed with visions of french toast in my head
although the mushroom soup and pierogi, and a dozen other things tonight were quite wonderful! I was definitely hungry by the time we sat down. May all for whom tomorrow is the Nativity have a very blest feast!
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5Loaves
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I must confess that it has never bothered me that so many people celebrate the Nativity on 12th December
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stormy99
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**It is in the Midwest, right now…we went to the Vigil Mass and will go again tomorrow morning…
Haved a blessed Christmas
stormy**
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daeve
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PANETTONE! You make your own panettone? Wow. I don’t think I’ve ever had one that was homemade. I took one to work the other day and only one person liked it. I’ll have to try to make one. Yum. Hope your holiday was/is great!No one celebrates the Nativity on the 6th. The Nativity is on December 25th on both the Julian and the Gregorian calendars.
I bought eggs and milk today and made panettone.
And made my last, for a while, vegan cake for tomorrow night’s agape.
We just got home from Royal Hours:
The time for the birth was at hand. Since there was no room at the inn, the cave became a perfect palace for the Queen!
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5Loaves
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I’ve had a few commercial ones and not liked them.
Someone brought one of those to my Latin parish last week (she’s been gifted with it) , and to me it was dry, tasteless and lousy texture. I’ve been baking bread, or assisting my dad making it, for about 55 years so it’s not such a big deal. It does mean planning time-wise for the rises and baking. Our family’s panettone has anise in it so that is a deal breaker for those who don’t like that very distinctive flavor. I also don’t make it in the flower pot/coffee can that is traditional most places. We’ve always made free form boule loaves. Toasted is best. My Latin parish happens to have a large mosaic of St. Anthony with a loaf of bread… pan del 'Tony Our Nativity has been fabulous! Thank you. We all seemed to eat without restraint today at church, lots of still fabulous left overs from our Holy Supper together, and from yesterday’s not fasting meals.
I’m looking forward to the days ahead. I love, love, love, Theophany.
Looking forward certainly to Circumcision of Our Lord and St. Basil the Great.S’prazdnikom!
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Diak
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As has been mentioned, the celebration of the Nativity of the Savior is always December 25th. The difference comes in the Julian or Gregorian reckoning of December 25th. In my Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, every parish is free to choose the Julian or Gregorian calendar for feast days and Pascha and every Eparchy has Julian Calendar parishes and missions. I myself (and my mission) celebrates on the Julian Calendar.
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