Is it correct that in Genesis creation story plants were created before the sun was?

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You said:
Yes. It could be.
Like this.
The Intro: I am going to tell you the story about the creation of this land, this earth. All of this earth you see was empty and void and the spirit of the Creator moved across the deep.
The first day of the creation events: And God said, let there be light. etc. this is the detail of the Big Bang on the first day etc.
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Yeah, but the Big Bang preceded the development of the earth and the sun, according to modern science, which is why I see Genesis 1 and 2 as non-scientific texts.🙂
 
Jesus_123 said:
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Again therefore, Jesus spoke to them, saying: I am the light of the world: - John 8:12

+I’ve long been . . .* fascinated *. . . by the passages in the :bible1: Book of Revelation dealing with our . . . Lord Who is Pure Light . . . being the Light of the Holy City . . . the New Jerusalem . . . perhaps light in the first passage of :bible1: Genesis is revelation of the . . . Pure Light which is the Glory of God . . . since it is clearly not the light of the . . . created instrument . . . of greater light . . . the sun . . .

:bible1: Apocalypse (Revelation) 22:21-25[21] And the twelve gates are twelve pearls, one to each: and every several gate was of one several pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. [22] And I saw no temple therein. For the Lord God Almighty is the temple thereof, and the Lamb. [23] And the city hath no need of the sun, nor of the moon, to shine in it. For the glory of God hath enlightened it, and the Lamb is the lamp thereof. [24] And the nations shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory and honour into it. [25] And the gates thereof shall not be shut by day: for there shall be no night there.

:bible1: Apocalypse (Revelation) 22:5 And night shall be no more: and they shall not need the light of the lamp, nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God shall enlighten them, and they shall reign for ever and ever.​

"Glory be to the Father . . .
and to the Son . . . and to the Holy Spirit . . .
as it was in the beginning . . . **is **. . . now . . .
and ever shall be . . . world without end . . . Amen . . . "
:harp:

. . . all for Jesus+
. . . thank You Sweet Lord+​
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I think that the first chapters of Genesis should be interpreted in the same way as Revelation. With caution.
 
Ahimsa said:
Actually, the Hebrew states “When God created the heavens and the earth…”

“In the beginning” does not reflect the original Hebrew.
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Ahimsa, the NAB is not the original Hebrew!😛

The Hebrew reads “bereshit bara elohim et-hashamayim va-et ha’aretz, vaha’aretz hayatah tohu vabhohu, vachoshekh 'al-peney tehom.” (My own somewhat idiosyncratic transliteration–may not agree with other systems!)

The grammatical structure of the first verse is weird, so we should be careful about declaring that a given interpretation reflects or doesn’t reflect the original Hebrew. But if anything, it’s the traditional translation that is more direct and literal. To quote the New Interpreter’s Study Bible:
This alternative translation [the one you favor] reflects the conventional opening for creation narratives in the ancient Near East and the biblical view of creation as the establishment of order and restraint of chaos. It has received growing support. However, because the terms and grammar of v. 1 are unique and precisely duplicated nowhere else in the OT, scholars continue to debate these alternatives. While the ordinary rules of Hebrew grammar require one alternative or the other, the translators of the NRSV concluded that the Jewish scribes who added vowels to the traditional consonantal text wished to affirm both interpretive possibilities.
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Contarini said:
Ahimsa, the NAB is not the original Hebrew!😛

The Hebrew reads “bereshit bara elohim et-hashamayim va-et ha’aretz, vaha’aretz hayatah tohu vabhohu, vachoshekh 'al-peney tehom.” (My own somewhat idiosyncratic transliteration–may not agree with other systems!)

The grammatical structure of the first verse is weird, so we should be careful about declaring that a given interpretation reflects or doesn’t reflect the original Hebrew. But if anything, it’s the traditional translation that is more direct and literal. To quote the New Interpreter’s Study Bible:
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The salient question is what has been the continuous teaching and understanding of these verses?
 
buffalo said:
Here is the Douay-Rheims commentary:

[16] Two great lights: God created on the first day, light, which being moved from east to west, by its rising and setting, made morning and evening. But on the fourth day he ordered and distributed this light, and made the sun, moon, and stars. The moon, though much less than the stars, is here called a great light, from its giving a far greater light to the earth than any of them.
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+The problem that plagues Bishop Challoner’s comment . . . is that it neither addresses nor considers nor attempts to explain the great mystery revealed . . . in between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 . . . the mystery being that . . . God is Pure Light . . . and . . . suddenly . . . in verse 2 we encounter the . . . astonishing new reality . . . of the existence of . . . darkness . . . which defined is the . . . “absence” . . . of light . . . and is not and cannot be confused with . . . “nothingness” . . .

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1 In the beginning **
God**
created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void;
and **darkness **was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said,
Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light,
that it was good:
and God divided the light from the darkness.
*** - Genesis 1:1-4***

Using the Douay Rheims translation of **Sacred :bible1: Scripture **the renown Catholic Haydock’s Commentary shares **St. Augustine **as one of the :bible1: **Biblical *scholars . . . (with whom Mother Angelica was and is clearly in agreement) * . . . who embraced the reality of the only source of . . . darkness . . . revealed in Sacred Scripture ** . . . which mystery of darkness is touched upon and revealed for the first time in . . . Genesis 1:2 . . . deals with the creation of the angels :angel1: and the mighty battle in heaven recorded in Sacred :bible1: Scripture between the great . . . Holy Arch:angel1:angel St. Michael . . . Prince of the Heavenly Host of God . . . and the enemy of the Lord and of all that is of **God **. . . Satan . . . also known as the . . . Prince of Darkness . . . and all the evil angels/demons . . .

[Genesis 1] Ver. 4. Good; beautiful and convenient: — he divided light by giving it qualities incompatible with darkness, which is not any thing substantial, and therefore Moses does not say it was created. (Calmet) … St. Augustine supposes the fall and punishment of the apostate angels are here insinuated. (L. imp. de Gen.) (Haydock)
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- Haydocks Commentary​
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:compcoff: Link: haydock1859.tripod.com/id327.html​

. . . all for Jesus+
. . . thank You Blessed Lord our Saviour+​
 
You said:
They say that the first life arose on earth only 300,000 years or so after earth had formed.
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No. After the Earth was formed it was about another 2 billion years before the first forms of life showed up around 3.7 billion years ago.

Ran
 
Ahimsa said:
Wasn’t geocentrism a continuous teaching at one point?
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I believe that to be so. It also cannot be mathematically proven either way. To truly know we would look from outside this frame. Consider the two remaining options. Acentrism and geocentrism.

I do not think though that geocentrism rose to dogma as Adam and Eve are.
 
RobbyS said:
I think that the first chapters of Genesis should be interpreted in the same way as Revelation. With caution.
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+I agree completely . . . however your quote was just a portion of the continuing evolving conversation Babylonsfalling and I were having dealing with comprehension of the referenced :bible1: Scriptural subject of light . . . Babylonsfalling took your quoted referenced portion of Sacred :bible1: Scripture . . . and carried it further in discernment in Post #12 with an excellent comment . . . and I progressed even further from that point into Post #14 . . . sharing commentary from Mother Angelica and other :bible1: Biblical scholars re the specific verses in hand . . . we’re often all just researching and learning as we go here at CAF . . . which is one of the marvelous things about studying and learning with others here at Catholic Answers . . . *

*Fascinating subject cho pilo . . . very thought provoking . . . *

God bless . . . *

. . . all for Jesus+
. . . thank you Blessed Holy Mother Church+
. . . thank you Blessed St. Jerome+​
 
Ranp said:
No. After the Earth was formed it was about another 2 billion years before the first forms of life showed up around 3.7 billion years ago.

Ran
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4.5 - 3.7 = 0.8 or 800,000,000 years
 
Ahimsa said:
Yeah, but the Big Bang preceded the development of the earth and the sun, according to modern science, which is why I see Genesis 1 and 2 as non-scientific texts.🙂
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Can I get you to understand the first two lines of Genesis as an introduction to what was going to happen. Because thats all I mean.
Like the magician who walks onto the stage and says ‘Good evening, Ladies and Gentlemen. [first line]’ ‘This evening I am going to pull a rabbit from a hat. [second line of introduction]’
Drum rolls. And the Magician says ‘Let there be a rabbit in this hat’ and he sticks his hand in the hat. And there is a rabbit. And so on.
 
Ranp said:
Thanks for the correction.👍 But it is still a lot more than 300,000 years.

Ran
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Yes, you’re right. Never was any good with numbers. But hey, science keeps changing, thats what they say. I might be right someday. 🙂
 
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