Is it easier to switch from a ECC to LCC? or EC to EC?

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I was wondering if it’s easier to switch from a Eastern catholic church to the Latin church? but I know the Church discourages that. so would it be easier to transfer from one ECC to another ECC?

curiously wondering.
 
so would it be easier to transfer from one ECC to another ECC?

curiously wondering.
I think it’s alot easier…i think @Phillip_Rolfes could answer this casue he went from Latin to Ruthenian and eventually, to maronite rite…there are definitely others, like @Dochawk and @ziapueblo
 
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I think it’s alot easier…i think @Philp_Rolfes could answer this casue he went from Latin to Ruthenian and eventually, to maronite rite…there are definitely others, like
I actually have more of an interest in the Malankara Catholic Church/Byzantine Church. (but I’m not born into it).
 
I was wondering if it’s easier to switch from a Eastern catholic church to the Latin church? but I know the Church discourages that. so would it be easier to transfer from one ECC to another ECC?

curiously wondering.
It is less likely for an eastern Catholic transfer to Latin Catholic church to be approved. This is because there is a canon to preserve the eastern churches. But it could happen.

Depending upon territorial overlap, either the Congregation for Oriental Churches or the Holy See gives consent where both bishops approve in writing (but note eastern to west or eastern to eastern has been denied even when bishops are in favor) .
 
I’m not sure about switching from Eastern Catholic to Latin Catholic. I’ve heard that it’s very difficult and highly discouraged. But that’s just hearsay from my perspective.

For the record, I’ve never switched within Eastern Catholic Churches. I spent some time with the Ruthenians and with the Melkites, but never canonically switched. I’ve found my home among the Maronites and am still waiting on my official canonical transfer to go through.

That being said, I’ve known a number of folks who switched churches sui iuris within the Byzantine tradition - moving from Ruthenian, to Ukrainian, and eventually back to Ruthenian, for example. So I’m guessing it’s pretty easy to transfer churches within the Eastern tradition(s).
 
I’m not sure about switching from Eastern Catholic to Latin Catholic. I’ve heard that it’s very difficult and highly discouraged. But that’s just hearsay from my perspective.
I’m EC. but I love the TLM, got a particular interest over last year. shucks, looks like I can’t be Latin anyway.
 
There’s nothing wrong with attending the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite as an Eastern Catholic. You don’t have to change your canonical status to do that. I’ve actually been exclusively attending Eastern Catholic parishes for about 12 years now without officially belonging to an Eastern Catholic Church sui iuris. The only reason I’ve decided to change is because I’ve found my spiritual home here.
 
I started out at Sacred Heart Byzantine Catholic Church in Livonia, MI. When I moved to northern Virginia I attended Holy Epiphany of Our Lord Byzantine Catholic Church and Holy Transfiguration Melkite Greek Catholic Church (also frequented St. Katherine Greek Orthodox Church).

Now that my family is in the Cincinnati area, we’re parishioners at St. Anthony of Padua Maronite Catholic Church.
 
It is less likely for an eastern Catholic transfer to Latin Catholic church to be approved.
Being declined in the 21st century is very rare in either direction. I’ve heard, only on CAF, that it happens sometimes, but I’ve never heard a report of being denied.

Today, the process is the same in both direction. If someone’s priest verifies that he has been an active member of that congregation for a period of years, both bishops will approve.

I’ve also never heard of someone switching EC to EC. I suppose it happens; I just haven’t heard of it.

Also, it can only be done once, but can be undone. This is why I’ve never formally petitioned–I would switch to melkite, but they don’t have the presence here (although I’m on the planning committee for the Melkite outreach here).
Depending upon territorial overlap, either the Congregation for Oriental Churches or the Holy See gives consent
but it doesn’t really go there any more; it’s now just the two bishops involved (I think this change was a decade or so ago).

Also, until some point in the 20th century, it was only possible to switch to LC. I think that it was Oriental Lumen that reversed this misguided, bigoted, and paternalistic rule.
 
That being said, I’ve known a number of folks who switched churches sui iuris within the Byzantine tradition - moving from Ruthenian, to Ukrainian, and eventually back to Ruthenian, for example. So I’m guessing it’s pretty easy to transfer churches within the Eastern tradition(s).
In me experience, most just attend different churches, and rarely bother with a formal change, particularly so within Byzantine usage.

Fr. Deacon Christopher
 
I’ve also never heard of someone switching EC to EC. I suppose it happens; I just haven’t heard of it.
I come from a heavily latinised EC church.

In the Byzantine church, I know the priest reads the main Gospel reading. But do the laity read other readings like in the OF Latin rite Mass?
 
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It is less likely for an eastern Catholic transfer to Latin Catholic church to be approved.
Being declined in the 21st century is very rare in either direction. I’ve heard, only on CAF, that it happens sometimes, but I’ve never heard a report of being denied.

Today, the process is the same in both direction. If someone’s priest verifies that he has been an active member of that congregation for a period of years, both bishops will approve.

I’ve also never heard of someone switching EC to EC. I suppose it happens; I just haven’t heard of it.

Also, it can only be done once, but can be undone. This is why I’ve never formally petitioned–I would switch to melkite, but they don’t have the presence here (although I’m on the planning committee for the Melkite outreach here).
Depending upon territorial overlap, either the Congregation for Oriental Churches or the Holy See gives consent
but it doesn’t really go there any more; it’s now just the two bishops involved (I think this change was a decade or so ago).

Also, until some point in the 20th century, it was only possible to switch to LC. I think that it was Oriental Lumen that reversed this misguided, bigoted, and paternalistic rule.
You must not be aware that the authority over eastern and Latin Catholics in the “eastern regions” is that of the Congregation for Oriental Churches. They have and do prevent transfers between eastern sui iuris churches.

“Eastern regions” includes:
  • Egypt
  • Sinai Peninsula
  • Eritrea
  • Ethiopia
  • South Albania
  • Bulgaria
  • Cyprus
  • Greece
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Lebanon
  • Palestine
  • Syria
  • Jordan
  • Turkey
Father George Gallaro (now Archbishop) wrote in 2009:
In the Eastern regions the Congregation for Eastern Churches rarely authorizes the transfer from an Eastern Church sui iuris to another and even more reluctantly, to the Latin.
– Inter-ecclesial Relations Between Eastern and Latin Catholics: A Canonical-pastoral Handbook, pp. 27-28
 
In the Byzantine church, I know the priest reads the main Gospel reading.
The deacon, actually. There priest only reads in his absence.
But do the laity read other readings like in the OF Latin rite Mass?
singular, the epistle, on Sunday. The lector reads these. Since they are hard to find these days, they are usually changed by someone with cantor training (also usually not an actual cantor). Similarly, men fill in for the subdeacons on the altar to serve.
You must not be aware that the authority over eastern and Latin Catholics in the “eastern regions” is that of the Congregation for Oriental Churches.
*snork*. *sputter*.

now that I’m done choking . . . you must not be aware that in recent years, there has been a change, and the local bishops have the authority to handle the transfers.

And I’ll leave the usurped authority of what we tend to call the “Colonial Office” for another thread . . . (but I’ll note that I wold like to see the Eastern Patriarchs form a “Congregation for the Occidental Church” to meddle in Rome’s internal affairs and tell it how to conduct its business . . .)
wrote in 2009:
that seems to be the source of your misunderstanding . . .
 

that seems to be the source of your misunderstanding . . .
No, there was permission to transfer upon the approval of two bishops with overlapping territory even in 1990 CCEO (and 1992 Latin rescript - AAS 85 [1993] 81) and that is also described in the book I quoted from. The authority of the Congregation of the Eastern Churches pertains to specific areas.
 
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Not sure about switching from EC to LC. Most people I know of who were raised EC (in this case Ukrainian Catholic) simply attended and followed the rules of the Latin church. I very much doubt they care (or perhaps they really don’t know) about following the laws of their own particular church.

In any case, I was raised in the LC and formally petitioned to switch over 6 years ago to the UGCC. It was a very simple process and took less than a month. If there were Melkites here I would be going there without a question and not even bothering with the fact that i am part of the UGCC and can’t official transfer anywhere. Byzantine is Byzantine in my book heheh 🙂
 
what if an EC wanted to join an order like the FSSP? is that possible? especially when he’s a 2nd generation American in the US- and kinda far off from his EC diocese.
 
I knew a Byzantine (Ruthenian) Catholic man who joined a Roman Carmelite friary.
 
I don’t think it would be a problem…the only issue a person may encounter is regarding ordination and/or marriage.
 
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