Is it easier to switch from a ECC to LCC? or EC to EC?

[Margaret_Ann]

Which Eparchy are you in?

 

[Angel_Gabriel]

Eparchy of St. Nicholas/Chicago. It’s entirely too large IMHO (and by large I mean size wise not population wise). The poor bishop has parishes all the way out in CA and HI and he’s 2000+ miles away…something just ain’t right with that…

 

[Alexandria2020]

baptismal record of baptizing parish.

In my case, I was baptised at my mother’s EC church. But my records are at my father’s EC church. Records include baptism, confirmation and communion dates. Both churches are under the same eparchy

 

[Margaret_Ann]

By the same token, should a Latin Catholic woman marry an EC, the children from that marriage follow the father and are considered EC unless a formal transfer is made.

Do you have actual canons from the Code of Canon Law (Latin) as well as the Code of Eastern Canons? I’d love some official sources.

 

[jeannetherese]

Hi Margaret_Ann,
I’m going to share a post from a canon lawyer which has a link to the canon law (Latin).

Becoming (Or at Least Marrying) an Eastern Catholic - Canon Law Made EasyCanon Law Made Easy

The canon law states:
Can. 111 §1. Through the reception of baptism, the child of parents who belong to the Latin Church is enrolled in it, or, if one or the other does not belong to it, both parents have chosen by mutual agreement to have the offspring baptized in the Latin Church. If there is no mutual agreement, however, the child is enrolled in the ritual Church to which the father belongs.

§2. Anyone to be baptized who has completed the fourteenth year of age can freely choose to be baptized in the Latin Church or in another ritual Church sui iuris; in that case, the person belongs to the Church which he or she has chosen.

Can. 112 §1. After the reception of baptism, the following are enrolled in another ritual Church sui iuris:

 

[jeannetherese]

Hi Margaret_Ann,
i just traced down the Eastern Canon Law as well. Here it is:

Enrollment in a Church Sui Iuris 29-38.​

Baptism One becomes a member of the church by baptism, is incorporated into Christ, into the church, in a CSI. Previously it was the liturgy of baptism that determined membership in a CSI. In case of 1. fraud, 2. no minister of their rite available, 3. permission of Holy See to change rites. CIC’17 756 - children follow parents, but somewhat complicated. Now law determines, CIC 111-112, and CCEO 29-38. CCEO Follows 1. Catholic Father, 2. Catholic, 3. by agreeement with mothers church (Culturally eastern. this is criticized by eastern hierarchs - but commission stood behind fundamental rights of both parents - it was abolished in 1988, second plenary assembly, pope reintroduced in final redaction - particular law of Apostolic See can derogate). CIC: Both latins, or by agreement, they can be latin. Other cases: 1) Unmarried mother - child follows mother, even in case of marriage invalid before the church, 2) foundling - ascribed to civilly legitimate caretakers; adoptive, like natural parents, 3) parents unbaptized: the CSI of the person who educates in catholic faith, e.g. sponsor. Canon 841 or CIC 868 baptism in danger of death.

Completed 14 years can freely select CSI . Canon 588 Catechumen can freely select, but culturally appropriate church should be recommended - how understand: local culture, ethnic roots. 14th year is discussed - (however, it is 18 years civilly, but again it is a fundamental rights question, and it was already promulgated in CIC).
It took me a while, because I got busy reading all sorts of information about all sorts of fascinating laws. Take care and may God bless you!
jt
Here’s my source!
http://ahereford.org/canonlaw/doku.php?id=cceo

 

[Vico]

…

These canons were revised 31 May 2016 to:

CIC Can. 111
§1. Through the reception of baptism a child is ascribed to the Latin Church if the parents belong to that Church or, should one of them not belong to it, if both parents agree in choosing that the child be baptised in the Latin Church; but, if the agreement is lacking, the child is ascribed to the Church sui iuris , to which the father belongs.
§2. However, if only one parent is Catholic, the child is ascribed to the Church to which the Catholic parent belongs.
§3. Any candidate for baptism who has completed the fourteenth year of age may freely choose to be baptised either in the Latin Church or in another Church sui iuris ; in which case the person is ascribed to the Church which he or she has chosen.

CIC Can. 112
§1. After the reception of baptism, the following are enrolled in another Church sui iuris :
1° one who has obtained permission from the Apostolic See;
2° a spouse who, on entering marriage or during its course, has declared that he or she is transferring to the Church sui iuris of the other spouse; on the dissolution of the marriage, however, that person may freely return to the Latin Church;
3° the children of those mentioned in nn. 1 and 2 who have not completed their fourteenth year, and likewise in a mixed marriage the children of a Catholic party who has lawfully transferred to another Church sui iuris ; on completion of their fourteenth year, however, they may return to the Latin Church.
§2. The practice, however long standing, of receiving the sacraments according to the rite of another Church sui iuris , does not bring with it membership of that Church.
§3. Each transfer to another Church 'sui iuris’ is valid from the moment of the declaration made in the presence of the local ordinary of the said Church or of its pastor or of the priest delegated by one of them and of two witnesses, unless a rescript of the Apostolic See disposes otherwise; and is noted in the baptismal register.

Also revisions were made to Canons (baptismal registry 535, (baptism 868, (marriage 1108, 1109, 1111, 1112, 1116, and 1127.

@Margaret_Ann Margaret_Ann

 

[Vico]

…

Completed 14 years can freely select CSI . …

What is means is that if the person to be baptized is at least age 14, the sui iuris church can be freely selected.

The other case is if the parents of a baptized child change sui iuris church when the child is an infant (i.e., under age 14) then that child also changes sui iuris church, but can change back to the original sui iurus church at age 14.

@Margaret_Ann Margaret_Ann

 

[Vico]

…
What I am wondering is what would be the difference between being ascribed and being formally transferred in the legal (church law) sense of things?

Format transfer is being ascribed. Merely attending is not.

The canon law for eastern Catholics is CCEO and for Latin Catholics is CIC. There is a different sacramental disciplines, penitential practices and seasons, holy days or obligation, and marriage canons - e.g., for an eastern Catholic a deacon can not witness marriage (this effects validity).

 

[jeannetherese]

Thank you for the clarification Vico. It is much appreciated.
jt