Is it good to ever be emotional and subjective?

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God wants us to see things objectively or fairly. Our emotions can hinder us from seeing the truth about situations, people, and ourselves. I can see how being too emotional is a flaw. Is there such thing as being too objective? Does subjectivity have any value? Rationality always trumps emotionality. Are any instances when emotionality is better than rationality?
 
God wants us to see things objectively or fairly. Our emotions can hinder us from seeing the truth about situations, people, and ourselves. I can see how being too emotional is a flaw. Is there such thing as being too objective? Does subjectivity have any value? Rationality always trumps emotionality. Are any instances when emotionality is better than rationality?
Obviously, you are not a parent of a toddler. 😜

Rationally, she should not need comfort when she falls off the couch, backwards, for the umteenth time after having both mommy and daddy tell her, again, for the umteenth time NOT to climb on the couch.

But, she’s crying so I give her a little hug, tell her it’s ok and that climbing on the couch is a no-no.

Parenting is an entire lifetime of allowing some emotional judgments to pass rather than acting entirely rationally.
 
Whether people are emotional/ subjective or rational / objective is largely a matter of individual personality combined with the person’s culture and the parents’ guidance/ example. I think there is a spectrum whereby people we have a percentage split of how they react. The vast majority of people would find someone who behaved at the extreme ends of the spectrum weird, whether that person was 95 percent rational or 95 percent emotional.

I don’t think people should try to force themselves to be different from their natural personality. We need many types of personalities to make a world, as each type considers the same issues and problems a bit differently, and the diversity gives birth to insight. There have been some very emotional saints, like St. John of God, and some very rational saints, like St. Jerome, so God has a role for all sorts of people to fill.

I do however think that people with emotional bents may be suited to different types of careers than those with rational bents. For example, I think an emotional person might make a great victims’ advocate because of their ability to feel and empathize, but they would make a poor judge because a judge needs to weigh both sides and consider all the facts. I also don’t like how emotions are misused by political operatives who are often coming from a coldly rational standpoint themselves and just triggering people all over the place to get an outcome they want.
 
I think it is important to remember we are all equally important.
 
Some temperaments seems more well balanced than others or more advantageous in general. Rational people make better leaders and contribute more.
 
You are pitting these two things against each other too much. ‘Objective’ and ‘subjective’ need to be thought of as constructs in language that are meant to convey a general meaning, not an absolute one.

Being rational is not always better than being emotional. Always being stoic would lead to a lack of love in the person being stoic. Just for starters.
 
Ah, Mr Spock versus Dr. McCoy.

You know, why pit the two against each other, as if being objective meant having no emotions, and being emotional meant having no objectivity?

Our emotions can also help us take a ‘cold hard fact’ and apply it to living breathing things and make that ‘cold hard fact’ something that we sit up and notice in a positive way, whereas we might have simply let it go and not even have it register on the old radar.

I’m reminded of Jane Austen’s Persuasion. The heroine, Anne, is pondering the behavior of a cousin who had once ‘written them off’ in early adulthood and who now is seeking to ‘re-enter the fold’. She notices that this man’s very good manners are appreciated, not just by the rational and intelligent members of the family and servants, but also by the ‘emotional’, the silly, the scoundrelly as well. He even gets along well with the ones whom one would think would either dislike him or whom he would dislike, such as the fortune hunter who is pursuing the man he is heir to. And, to paraphrase, Anne thinks, "How much more she would trust the person who sometimes did a hasty action or made an error, rather than a cold, cautious, calculating and ‘all pleasing’ man. That she prized those who were frank, even if that frankness ‘cost’ them, rather than those who ‘kept hold of everything’ by a persona that ‘changed to suit’ each person, such that he would act one way for one person, and completely opposite to suit another.

The seemingly objective person might look as though he is assessing things and acting without prejudice or ‘emotionalism’ but instead of the reason being for the good of others, it could be for his good only. Whereas the seemingly ‘emotional’ person could have not just an objective and informed rational view, but through having that view understand its importance and have strong feelings about showing that importance to others.
 
God wants us to see things objectively or fairly. Our emotions can hinder us from seeing the truth about situations, people, and ourselves. I can see how being too emotional is a flaw. Is there such thing as being too objective?
The pursuit of objectivity can easily lead to error. For we are small minded: “The LORD knows the thoughts of man, That they are a mere breath.” (Ps 94:11) To capture what we do not perceive is daunting. The labor of reason can take many years, and accessible to a small segment of individuals. The beauty of faith is that it presents objectivity in harmony with what truly matters to our subjective growth with the truth, and ultimately our reward. He presents himself universally through Mary. As it says in Jeremiah, “And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying: Know the Lord: for all shall know me from the least of them even to the greatest…” (Jer 31:34)

Does subjectivity have any value?
Yes. It has a crown in the beatific vision. The soul presents the glory of the Lord in his or her personal stuggles that came out victorious.

Rationality always trumps emotionality. Are any instances when emotionality is better than rationality?

It is better to see them working in harmony. This requires maturity with a well-informed conscience.
 
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Yes, there are instances when emotionality trumps rationality. When someone has suffered a great tragedy or even had a great joy, they want their feelings respected and acknowledged, even if there’s no good rational reason for doing so (perhaps because it’s one person or a small group with no influence).

Faith is not rational and may be seen as emotional. It would trump any rational deduction that God didn’t exist or was limited in some way.

I am largely a rational person, by nature, but I have zero desire to live in a totally rational world. I have made a tiny handful of emotional decisions in my life. They weren’t always the greatest decisions, but they added richness to life. I wouldn’t want to be 100 percent rational.
 
We almost always act emotionally and then sub-consciously (most of the time) look for rational reasons for any decisions we have made.

Jon Haidt is a psychologist who compares the rational self to a rider on our 'emotional 'elephant. Generally the elephant goes where it wants and does what it likes and the rider goes along with it because it is so difficult to change the decisions we have already made.

We generally justify where we’ve ended up by suggesting to others, and more importantly to ourselves, that it is where we wanted to go anyway.
 
Being objective and rational seems flawless. I don’t see how that is a weakness. I don’t always see the value in emotions or subjectivity.
Here is the question of my last five years. If you have all these wonderful qualities, why do you need God if you can survive well on your own?
It is difficult to think we all have weaknesses. It is difficult to understand how God loves us all despite how more or less flawed we are.
Some people can mingle with sort of company without picking up their poor habits. Others cannot.
Some don’t ever fall into vanity. Human judgment means nothing for them.
An emotional person seems weaker or has more limitations.
If you sin responsibly, is that still a sin?
 
God is the author of reason. He is logos. Rationality is an appetite. (cf. STh I-II, q. 1, a. 2, c.) If you are objective you neglect yourself for the sake of the truth. People can wonder many different things and certainly cannot be found subjectively. But self-knowledge would point out that all the self and its qualities do not matter without its author. Surviving well on your own is not rational, there is a hunger to get real. Surviving well on your own is a natural inclination which is distinct from rationality.

If we live like an animal we reject reason and its authorship. And so, there is no such thing as sinning responsibly. Because sin is an offense to the author of reason, when we commit it we tear the pages out of our own personal book of life. It is best to cooperate with the truth, that way we run the race with proper persepctive and not get closed in on what we think are own good quailites.
 
What value does subjectivity serve? Or emotionality? Objectivity trumps subjectivity. Rational trumps emotional. So is an emotional person a lesser one?
 
It grows in value by the pursuit of the virtues. There is no trumping inside us to obtain the truth. We have to be informed by a community (family and church) and experience life with our emotions as faith working through charity.

A person seeks security emotional or not. By security, the person grows a robust appetite of rationality. An emotional person can still understand the great potential God gave him or her and pursue it ultimately to pure actuality in heaven.
 
Hello Margaret,
God created us to give Him glory and to spend eternity with Him. Even if a nearly perfect person existed, that person is to amplify God not themselves, as that is what we are called to do.

In our weakness lies our strength, and is what is considered weak to some, is considered strength to another. So your statements are based on personal perceptions of what you have observed in life and, are subjective.

Also, if one never experiences emotion, it is a dangerous thing.

God Bless you!
 
Rationality seems to have a higher regard. Facts trump feelings. It seems like there are more advantages of being thick skinned and rational like you can handle the highs and lows of the world
 
Depends. Sometimes you need to be emotional and subjective so you can be logical and objective later on.

When your friend is crying over a break up, she really doesn’t need you telling her that she’s only 19 and that she was the one who messed it up and give her advice on how to be a better person. Later on though, if she wants to make the same mistake, you can call her out and give her some tough love.
 
Rationality seems to have a higher regard. Facts trump feelings. It seems like there are more advantages of being thick skinned and rational like you can handle the highs and lows of the world
Why do I get the feeling that this thread isn’t really about the pros and cons of rationality or emotions but a place for you to justify your inactions to the harsh words of your sister and manipulation of your boyfriend?

Emotions are not bad. They have their much-needed place in our relationship and in society. Rationality would say that my friend, who married a no-good layabout who left her with a 3yo because being a SAHD was too hard and getting a job was also too hard. Rationally, this could have been predicted and one would be better supporting the mom of 4 who lost her husband in a tragic accident. But we are not called by God to act rationally. We’re called to act with mercy. That would mean ensuring both women are taken care of–even if one totally could have seen it coming.
 
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