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Robert_Sock
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How about the words of a saint?
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ready
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Jesus, Himself, instructs us that the man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life…Are you suggesting that Jesus is wrong in saying what He said? I know he isn’t wrong because He is God and God does not lie. I will do everything to keep my soul for eternal life, and that means preferring the next life to this one, and not going along pampering myself indulgently in this life with all kinds of dangerous pleasures and going along with any of the sinful trends of the times. Our emphasis should be on the next life. It means we should be living a life of penance and mortification. Hating God’s creation is not what Jesus or I are talking about in the least. It’s preferring the next life and it’s benefits to this one and its benefits.God sent his only son to earth for many reasons including to tell us to follow him. In example of him, we learn to love unconditionally. Love God above all and love your neighbor as yourself. With those actions in mind, how could we hate this life? This human life allows us to develop a relationship with Jesus through the loving of other humans who were created in the image and likeness of God. God created the world. How can we hate what God created? Are we telling him he doesn’t know what he is doing?
I suggest getting under the spiritual guidance of a spiritual director or creating serious dialogue with a special friend. Volunteer activities in the community that allow contact with suffering individuals (sickness, poverty, etc.) help us focus on other’s needs. There is so much suffering in every community. I feel that God expects us to help. He doesn’t tell us to just focus on the afterlife. He put us here to love. This can be so healing.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Again, God created this world and found it good.
I’ll wait for a priest to inform me that it’s time to hate my family, friends, and the rest of the glory of creation.
I’ll wait for a priest to inform me that it’s time to hate my family, friends, and the rest of the glory of creation.
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goofyjim
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I hate when things go bad. Things are going good for me right now. I acknowledge that it originates with God and love what God has given me. I’m loving life right now too much to spend the whole time on earth in a miserable state.
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cabcab
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Well said.I think what we are called to in more current terms is detachment. This life is a gift of the Lord. As such we are to cherish it and care for the temples of the spirit that we are created into. We do what we do because we love the Lord and the promises of Heaven, and we joyfully await our reunion with Him in Heaven. But to baldly say that we should hate this life without proper context and elaboration carries with it implications for excuses for all sorts of evils. We shouldn’t be caught up in the selfishness that is so prevalent in this “me-focused” society, but we need to have proper regard for life as this is where we all start out and where we are given the opportunity to influence our eternal life.
God gave us the ability to use our physical senses to enjoy his creation. He in fact thought creation was so wonderful that He became a creation - and He binds his presence with matter in the Eucharist - and He gives us His grace through water in baptism. All these earthly creations, He loves when they bring Him glory.
What we have to keep in mind is that enjoyment of this world should remind us of the greater joy to come. Also, it shouldn’t inhibit our desire for Heaven and God in any way, but prepare us for eternity.
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Robert_Sock
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What does the New Testament say about loving this life? After the fall of Adam and Eve where does the Old Testament say that we should love this life? Why is there so much evil in our world today?
Love what is good, and hate what is evil.
A Christian life is a sacrifice
–Pope John Paul
I never meant to imply that we should hate one another, only what is evil.
Love what is good, and hate what is evil.
A Christian life is a sacrifice
–Pope John Paul
I never meant to imply that we should hate one another, only what is evil.
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Robert_Sock
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Living this life as a sacrifice is GOOD!A Christian life is a sacrifice
–Pope John Paul
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Sailor_Kenshin
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I do not interpret Biblical verse on my own. Hating this life makes little sense, however.
Fadda Wade Menezes himself says, “As Catholics, we love a good football game. But as Catholics, if it interferes with attending Mass, we don’t love it.” (And he goes on to discuss food and drink, and medicine, etc, in the same way).
That’s pretty much my approach.
Fadda Wade Menezes himself says, “As Catholics, we love a good football game. But as Catholics, if it interferes with attending Mass, we don’t love it.” (And he goes on to discuss food and drink, and medicine, etc, in the same way).
That’s pretty much my approach.
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Robert_Sock
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Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy!
Our life, our sweetness, and our hope!
To thee do we cry, poor banished
children of Eve, to thee do we send
up our sighs, mourning and weeping
in this valley, of tears.
Turn, then, most gracious advocate,
thine eyes of mercy toward us; and
after this our exile show unto us the
blessed fruit of thy womb Jesus;
O clement, O loving, O sweet virgin Mary.
Pray for us, O holy Mother of God
That we may be made worthy of the
promises of Christ.
Our life, our sweetness, and our hope!
To thee do we cry, poor banished
children of Eve, to thee do we send
up our sighs, mourning and weeping
in this valley, of tears.
Turn, then, most gracious advocate,
thine eyes of mercy toward us; and
after this our exile show unto us the
blessed fruit of thy womb Jesus;
O clement, O loving, O sweet virgin Mary.
Pray for us, O holy Mother of God
That we may be made worthy of the
promises of Christ.
C
CHRISTINE77
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The word “hate” is used in at least three different manners in the Bible.
First, there is **“Malicious and unjustifiable feeling towards others.” **God’s Word condemns this kind of hate.
The writer John sheds some light on this kind of hate when he writes, “He that saith he is in the light and hateth his brother, is in the darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is no occasion of stumbling in him. But he that hateth his brother is in the darkness, and walketh in the darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because the darkness hath blinded his eyes” (1 John 2:9-11).
“Whosoever hateth his brother is amurderer; and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding inhim” (1 John 3:15).
Second, there is a hate defined as: "A feeling of aversion for
that which is evil or wrong."
A third kind of hate is “**a relative preference of one thing over another.” **In this aspect, “hate” simply means to “love less.”
This third kind of hate is what Jesus was referring to when he said to hate this life. He meant to love it less than the everlasting life with God.
First, there is **“Malicious and unjustifiable feeling towards others.” **God’s Word condemns this kind of hate.
The writer John sheds some light on this kind of hate when he writes, “He that saith he is in the light and hateth his brother, is in the darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is no occasion of stumbling in him. But he that hateth his brother is in the darkness, and walketh in the darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because the darkness hath blinded his eyes” (1 John 2:9-11).
“Whosoever hateth his brother is amurderer; and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding inhim” (1 John 3:15).
Second, there is a hate defined as: "A feeling of aversion for
that which is evil or wrong."
A third kind of hate is “**a relative preference of one thing over another.” **In this aspect, “hate” simply means to “love less.”
This third kind of hate is what Jesus was referring to when he said to hate this life. He meant to love it less than the everlasting life with God.
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Robert_Sock
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I firmly believe we live in a world of good and evil, and that the evil within this world should be hated with all our might.
Again, love what is good and despise what is evil.
God Bless!
Again, love what is good and despise what is evil.
God Bless!
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juliamajor
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In biblical terms word hate is used to mean love less.in Genesis it says- Jacob loved Rachel but hated Leah-Leah wasn’t literally hated but she was definitely loved less than Rachel.We are not meant to despise our life on earth but to love it less then our eternal life. When God created the universe it was proclaimed ‘good’ and it still is- what we do with it is another thing. But we cannot hide from life or give it over to the wrong in the world.John 12:25 (New International Version)
“The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.”
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Robert_Sock
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Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy!
Our life, our sweetness, and our hope!
To thee do we cry, poor banished
children of Eve, to thee do we send
up our sighs, mourning and weeping
in this valley, of tears.
Turn, then, most gracious advocate,
thine eyes of mercy toward us; and
after this our exile show unto us the
blessed fruit of thy womb Jesus;
O clement, O loving, O sweet virgin Mary.
Pray for us, O holy Mother of God
That we may be made worthy of the
promises of Christ.
God Bless!
Our life, our sweetness, and our hope!
To thee do we cry, poor banished
children of Eve, to thee do we send
up our sighs, mourning and weeping
in this valley, of tears.
Turn, then, most gracious advocate,
thine eyes of mercy toward us; and
after this our exile show unto us the
blessed fruit of thy womb Jesus;
O clement, O loving, O sweet virgin Mary.
Pray for us, O holy Mother of God
That we may be made worthy of the
promises of Christ.
God Bless!
J
johnnydigit
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I never did ‘get’ that. I thought it wasn’t Catholic to believe the created world is evil.
What service are we doing our families and dependents if we hate our life and hate them?
How can anyone hate a newborn baby?
i know it so well yet i know i’ll fail to be able to explain it correctly. the devil reigns free in the world to wreak havoc. he was cast down here and he uses the world against us. hate the evil in the world. all things created by God are good, but we abuse them and evil has us using them for evil things. hate the evils in the secular world run by people who don’t love God. hate the traps we fall into, almost always by the lures of the world when we suddenly lose sight of God.That makes no sense, sorry.
HATE your mother and father?
HATE your spouse and children?
HATE your food, clothing and shelter?
HATE a sunrise, a sunset, the beach, the mountains?
HATE the beauty and cleverness of all creation because some choose evil?
Don’t get it.
perhaps, in comparison to the love of God we should have for Him, our greatest love for a person or thing on earth should look so minuscule that it almost looks like hate? unfortunately the reality is backwards.
highest love and priority (lower means lower priority) =
- God
- Wife
- Kids
- Extended family
- Others
- Work
- You
if not, read a page each day from the Lives of the Saints at sacred-texts.com/chr/lots/index.htm and you will soon understand the spirituality of our beloved martyrs and Saints, and hopefully follow in their footsteps, which are the footsteps of Our Lord.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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So far this is the one that makes the most sense to me. The created world isn’t evil; we’re supposed to enjoy and appreciate it.The word “hate” is used in at least three different manners in the Bible.
First, there is **“Malicious and unjustifiable feeling towards others.” **God’s Word condemns this kind of hate.
The writer John sheds some light on this kind of hate when he writes, “He that saith he is in the light and hateth his brother, is in the darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is no occasion of stumbling in him. But he that hateth his brother is in the darkness, and walketh in the darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because the darkness hath blinded his eyes” (1 John 2:9-11).
“Whosoever hateth his brother is amurderer; and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding inhim” (1 John 3:15).
Second, there is a hate defined as: "A feeling of aversion for
that which is evil or wrong."
A third kind of hate is “**a relative preference of one thing over another.” **In this aspect, “hate” simply means to “love less.”
This third kind of hate is what Jesus was referring to when he said to hate this life. He meant to love it less than the everlasting life with God.
With faith and reason being the twin wings of the human spirit it makes no sense whatever to hate your family, friends, and surroundings.
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Robert_Sock
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Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy!
Our life, our sweetness, and our hope!
To thee do we cry, poor banished
children of Eve, to thee do we send
up our sighs, mourning and weeping
in this valley, of tears.
Turn, then, most gracious advocate,
thine eyes of mercy toward us; and
after this our exile show unto us the
blessed fruit of thy womb Jesus;
O clement, O loving, O sweet virgin Mary.
Pray for us, O holy Mother of God
That we may be made worthy of the
promises of Christ.
God Bless!
Our life, our sweetness, and our hope!
To thee do we cry, poor banished
children of Eve, to thee do we send
up our sighs, mourning and weeping
in this valley, of tears.
Turn, then, most gracious advocate,
thine eyes of mercy toward us; and
after this our exile show unto us the
blessed fruit of thy womb Jesus;
O clement, O loving, O sweet virgin Mary.
Pray for us, O holy Mother of God
That we may be made worthy of the
promises of Christ.
God Bless!
J
Jerry_Marino
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hate your sinful life and seek the kingdom of God first and then your life here on earth would be filled with joy for the peace you would have is that of God.
so if your question is to hate your sinful life, YES!
so if your question is to hate your sinful life, YES!
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Robert_Sock
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YES!!! You’re getting it!!! We all have a sinful life, and this is a big part of what we should hate. Graces and blessings should alway be appreciated, and they are good.hate your sinful life and seek the kingdom of God first and then your life here on earth would be filled with joy for the peace you would have is that of God.
so if your question is to hate your sinful life, YES!
However, I would also add that we should hate the evil in this world: like war, violence, abuse, pride, greed, lying, cheating, temptation, hatred, etc. The list here would get pretty big.
Love what is good and hate what is evil! **Always seek the kingdom of God! **This is basic common sense.
Let me know if you, or anybody else, agree!
Thank you!
God Bless!
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LilyM
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God Himself said ‘Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated’. Do you think He meant ‘hate’ in quite the malicious loathing sense you seem to attach to that word?
Of course not. God IS love, and thus loves with a deep and abiding love ALL His creatures, however sinful. He meant simply that He had an aversion for that which was wrong in Esau’s character, but nonetheless recognised enough good in Esau the man to still love him overall. THAT is how we should treat our fellow man and fellow creatures.
Yes, the world has its faults, even grave ones, ever since the Fall, and we should be detached for that reason. But there is nonetheless enough good in it that our overall attitude should be one of appreciation - and even love, as God loves. Remember Our Lord said also ‘love one another, as I have loved you’. Because, as He said ‘by this shall all men know that you are My disciples, that you have love for one another’.
Now that’s an awful lot of love, and being that we are to love one another (and all creation) for His sake, it conforms to the command to love God above all else. What we should be wary of is loving it merely for its own sake.
Of course not. God IS love, and thus loves with a deep and abiding love ALL His creatures, however sinful. He meant simply that He had an aversion for that which was wrong in Esau’s character, but nonetheless recognised enough good in Esau the man to still love him overall. THAT is how we should treat our fellow man and fellow creatures.
Yes, the world has its faults, even grave ones, ever since the Fall, and we should be detached for that reason. But there is nonetheless enough good in it that our overall attitude should be one of appreciation - and even love, as God loves. Remember Our Lord said also ‘love one another, as I have loved you’. Because, as He said ‘by this shall all men know that you are My disciples, that you have love for one another’.
Now that’s an awful lot of love, and being that we are to love one another (and all creation) for His sake, it conforms to the command to love God above all else. What we should be wary of is loving it merely for its own sake.
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Bruno_Schulz
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**The Bible doesn’t really say, one should hate his life! On the contrary; a long life is granted to many who serve God, see 2Mose 20,12: “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long…”
The word “hate” in John 12,25 means:
Those who set eternal live first, keep in mind, that we are here on probation for heaven.
Such we might live in great joy, for we know; if we live in God and love each other and love God, we will have eternal live in Gods kingdom.
Those however who are silly enough to think this life here is all, as they do not believe in God, consequently favor this life to the life in Gods kingdom, will of course loose their life; both live, for they love earthly life as a only one they have.
When the evangelist John says: “who loves his life will lose it; who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life” then this doesn’t mean we should HATE our life! How could we hate our life God has given to us?!
We can make this life pleasing in the sight of God and others, and we can make this life dreadful to others and ourselves and to Gods disgrace.
But when it comes to an end, glorious the fruits of our life will be before God if we lived in God and minded the but two commandments in Mk 12,29-31 Jesus announced:
“The first is this: The Lord our God is Lord alone! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.
The second is: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.”
When we do this, we might love our life here on earth and fully enjoy it, for it’s a great gift of God, for it leads us into eternal life with God.
This is the joy we savor in our life as Christians; as described in the CAF-thread:
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The word “hate” in John 12,25 means:
Those who set eternal live first, keep in mind, that we are here on probation for heaven.
Such we might live in great joy, for we know; if we live in God and love each other and love God, we will have eternal live in Gods kingdom.
Those however who are silly enough to think this life here is all, as they do not believe in God, consequently favor this life to the life in Gods kingdom, will of course loose their life; both live, for they love earthly life as a only one they have.
When the evangelist John says: “who loves his life will lose it; who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life” then this doesn’t mean we should HATE our life! How could we hate our life God has given to us?!
We can make this life pleasing in the sight of God and others, and we can make this life dreadful to others and ourselves and to Gods disgrace.
But when it comes to an end, glorious the fruits of our life will be before God if we lived in God and minded the but two commandments in Mk 12,29-31 Jesus announced:
“The first is this: The Lord our God is Lord alone! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.
The second is: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.”
When we do this, we might love our life here on earth and fully enjoy it, for it’s a great gift of God, for it leads us into eternal life with God.
This is the joy we savor in our life as Christians; as described in the CAF-thread:
why don’t you join us thereBelieve in God; - joyful or burdensome?<
here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=305727&page=11
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